Demorcats tackling the important issues

[Ibanez]

like healthier choices in thier cafeteria and smoking on the hill. I'm so glad that instead of dealing iwth the economy, welfare reform, etc... we're dealing with Gourment Lunches. You've got to love the priorities of the Dem's.

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0108/7874.html

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0108/7888.html

[BigApp]

don't you remember Mark? they were going to make CHANGES to society and a better America when they won back the Hill! CHANGES I SAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Ibanez]

Is that why the have got one of the historically low approval ratings? Is that why nothing has happened outsideo f the 90 days? Is that why thier lies are as plentiful as the screams for AlGore to be a Presidential candidate?

If you're gonna blow smoke up our asses, at least deliver something that will benefit us!

[AZGrizFan]

Is that why the have got one of the historically low approval ratings? Is that why nothing has happened outsideo f the 90 days? Is that why thier lies are as plentiful as the screams for AlGore to be a Presidential candidate?

If you're gonna blow smoke up our asses, at least deliver something that will benefit us!

The massive vote last November was more of a vote AGAINST Bush/Cheney/Reps than a vote FOR Dem's. They never figured that out. They figured just BEING there was good enough. Boy are they in for a rude awakening.

[BigApp]

The massive vote last November was more of a vote AGAINST Bush/Cheney/Reps than a vote FOR Dem's.

[Ibanez]

Is that why the have got one of the historically low approval ratings? Is that why nothing has happened outsideo f the 90 days? Is that why thier lies are as plentiful as the screams for AlGore to be a Presidential candidate?

If you're gonna blow smoke up our asses, at least deliver something that will benefit us!

The massive vote last November was more of a vote AGAINST Bush/Cheney/Reps than a vote FOR Dem's. They never figured that out. They figured just BEING there was good enough. Boy are they in for a rude awakening.

That's true. What's with these damn boomers? All the stuff they hated in the 60's they've become.

[AZGrizFan]

And they wonder why they've got a lower approval rating that (in their words) the worst president ever.

I just love campaigns full of promises, followed by months of inaction. Reminds me of a joke I got emailed to me....

While walking down the street one day a US senator is tragically hit by a truck and dies. His soul arrives in heaven and is met by St. Peter at the entrance. 'Welcome to heaven,' says St. Peter. 'Before you settle in, it seems there is a problem. We seldom see a high official around these parts, you see, so we're not sure what to do with you.'

'No problem, just let me in,' says the man.

'Well, I'd like to, but I have orders from higher up. What we'll do is have you spend one day in hell and one in heaven. Then you can choose where to spend eternity.'

'Really, I've made up my mind. I want to be in heaven,' says the senator.

'I'm sorry, but we have our rules.' And with that, St. Peter escorts him to the elevator and he goes down, down, down to hell. The doors open and he finds himself in the middle of a green golf course. In the distance is a clubhouse and standing in front of it are all his friends and other politicians who had worked with him. Everyone is very happy and in evening dress. They run to greet him, shake his hand, and reminisce about the good times they had while getting rich at the expense of the people. They play a friendly game of golf and then dine on lobster, caviar and champagne. Also present is the devil, who really is a very friendly guy who has a good time dancing and telling jokes. They are having such a good time that before he realizes it, it is time to go. Everyone gives him a hearty farewell and waves while the elevator rises...

The elevator goes up, up, up and the door reopens on heaven where St. Peter is waiting for him. 'Now it's time to visit heaven.' So, 24 hours pass with the senator joining a group of contented souls moving from cloud to cloud, playing the harp and singing. They have a good time and, before he realizes it, the 24 hours have gone by and St. Peter returns.

'Well, then, you've spent a day in hell and another in heaven. Now choose your eternity.'

The senator reflects for a minute, then he answers, 'Well, I would never have said it before. I mean heaven has been delightful, but I think I would be better off in hell.' So St. Peter escorts him to the elevator and he goes down, down, down to hell.

Now the doors of the elevator open and he's in the middle of a barren land covered with waste and garbage. He sees all his friends, dressed in rags, picking up the trash and putting it in black bags as more trash falls from above. The devil comes over to him and puts his arm around his shoulder. 'I don't understand', stammers the senator.'Yesterday I was here and there was a golf course and clubhouse, and we ate lobster and caviar, drank champagne, and danced and had a great time. Now there's just a wasteland full of garbage and my friends look miserable. What happened?'

The devil looks at him, smiles and says, 'Yesterday we were campaigning ...
Today you voted.

[Col Hogan]

America is quickly becoming a Nanny State. There's a great book that I'm reading right now called Nanny State: How Food Fascists, Teetotaling Do-Gooders, Priggish Moralists, and Other Boneheaded Bureaucrats Are Turning American into a Nation of Children. It cites examples, from both Liberal and conservative politicians, where they, in the name of "Saving" Americans are passing laws or implementing stupid policies, all in the name of protecting us...

C.S. Lewis wrote "Of all tyrannies a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive."...

Often, the arguement starts out with a statement like "Think of the children...we must protect the children..." How can you argue against that "logic"...

By then, the slippery slope has been well greased...Here's a quote from the book that just riles me...The director of tobacco prevention for Public Health-Seattle and King County told a reporter "Americans think they have a lot of rights they really don't have. Smoking is one of those things where people think they have the right to smoke. It's an addiction. It's something you should see a doctor about."...

Now, I'm an ex-smoker who enjoys the smoke free environment I work in...but to corrupt the Contitution and say Americans DO NOT HAVE A RIGHT to smoke is absurd...

Expect much more...transfats are the current target...Salt will soon be the next (in the name of lowering Americans Blood Pressure)...

[Appaholic]

America is quickly becoming a Nanny State. There's a great book that I'm reading right now called Nanny State: How Food Fascists, Teetotaling Do-Gooders, Priggish Moralists, and Other Boneheaded Bureaucrats Are Turning American into a Nation of Children. It cites examples, from both Liberal and conservative politicians, where they, in the name of "Saving" Americans are passing laws or implementing stupid policies, all in the name of protecting us...

C.S. Lewis wrote "Of all tyrannies a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive."...

Often, the arguement starts out with a statement like "Think of the children...we must protect the children..." How can you argue against that "logic"...

By then, the slippery slope has been well greased...Here's a quote from the book that just riles me...The director of tobacco prevention for Public Health-Seattle and King County told a reporter "Americans think they have a lot of rights they really don't have. Smoking is one of those things where people think they have the right to smoke. It's an addiction. It's something you should see a doctor about."...

Now, I'm an ex-smoker who enjoys the smoke free environment I work in...but to corrupt the Contitution and say Americans DO NOT HAVE A RIGHT to smoke is absurd...

Expect much more...transfats are the current target...Salt will soon be the next (in the name of lowering Americans Blood Pressure)...

You are correct.....and this process will be accelerated if we go to government mandated healthcare.......don't think the government will outlaw lifestyle choices in the name of safety and lower costs when they are "footing the bill"? It's the same mentality that got me a ticket for no seatbelt on Christmas Eve......it's for our own good......

[AZGrizFan]

America is quickly becoming a Nanny State. There's a great book that I'm reading right now called Nanny State: How Food Fascists, Teetotaling Do-Gooders, Priggish Moralists, and Other Boneheaded Bureaucrats Are Turning American into a Nation of Children. It cites examples, from both Liberal and conservative politicians, where they, in the name of "Saving" Americans are passing laws or implementing stupid policies, all in the name of protecting us...

C.S. Lewis wrote "Of all tyrannies a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive."...

Often, the arguement starts out with a statement like "Think of the children...we must protect the children..." How can you argue against that "logic"...

By then, the slippery slope has been well greased...Here's a quote from the book that just riles me...The director of tobacco prevention for Public Health-Seattle and King County told a reporter "Americans think they have a lot of rights they really don't have. Smoking is one of those things where people think they have the right to smoke. It's an addiction. It's something you should see a doctor about."...

Now, I'm an ex-smoker who enjoys the smoke free environment I work in...but to corrupt the Contitution and say Americans DO NOT HAVE A RIGHT to smoke is absurd...

Expect much more...transfats are the current target...Salt will soon be the next (in the name of lowering Americans Blood Pressure)...

You are correct.....and this process will be accelerated if we go to government mandated healthcare.......don't think the government will outlaw lifestyle choices in the name of safety and lower costs when they are "footing the bill"? It's the same mentality that got me a ticket for no seatbelt on Christmas Eve......it's for our own good......

Boy if that isn't a perfect logic train....scary as HELL too....Christ, EMPLOYERS are already trying to limit lifestyle choices for the same reasons....not hiring smokers, not hiring women in childbearing years, etc., etc.