George Will: Count me out

[Pwns]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics ... story.html

I guess the guy is just a Hillary fanboy, right Cluck?

[JohnStOnge]

He just recognizes that the Republican Party is going to nominate a totally unacceptable candidate. Luckily for me I wasn't a Republican to begin with. But I can understand how Republicans who have principles won't go for the abomination the Republican Party is going to nominate this time. And I can understand them saying that if this is what the Republican Party has become they don't want to be part of it anymore.

[BisonFan02]

I've got a whole lot of "Republicans" I would like to see leave the party...many are current congressmen (McConnell for example) and talking heads (Rove)...what's the point? They need to clean house.

[JohnStOnge]

I've got a whole lot of "Republicans" I would like to see leave the party...many are current congressmen (McConnell for example) and talking heads (Rove)...what's the point? They need to clean house.

Nominating Trump is not cleaning house. It's soiling the house.

[BisonFan02]

I've got a whole lot of "Republicans" I would like to see leave the party...many are current congressmen (McConnell for example) and talking heads (Rove)...what's the point? They need to clean house.

Nominating Trump is not cleaning house. It's soiling the house.

McCain and Romney were not soiling the house? The party acting like "Dem Lite" is what had me leaving the party. I'm not saying I support Trump, but I'm not so sure that establishment reps/talking heads "taking their ball and going home" is such a bad thing......they've been nothing but failures.

[JohnStOnge]

McCain and Romney were not soiling the house?

No, they were not. They are both decent, honorable, honest men. One might not agree with them on things. But they are decent men.

Trump is not decent. Trump is not honorable. Trump is not honest.

Plus he's sick in the head.

The Republican Party has seriously diminished its credibility by nominating him.

[DSUrocks07]

We are witnessing the development of a true multiparty system in the US.

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[BDKJMU]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics ... story.html

I guess the guy is just a Hillary fanboy, right Cluck?

Will said a “President Trump” who was unopposed by Congress would be worse for the country than a Clinton presidency paired with a Republican-led Congress.

And notice how he neglects to mention a Clinton presidency with a democrat led Congress, a possibility..

Instead, he said, Republican voters should just “make sure he loses,” then “grit their teeth for four years and win the White House.”

You mean grit your teeth for the next 40 years? JUDGES George..

[kalm]

Well George, we WILL count you out. After all, you are a big part of the problem.

For better of for worse, whether it's justified or not, regardless of whether they've actually earned it or not, people feel entitled to a certain standard of living. This is at the core of the Brexit vote and Trump's rise and people like Will are left holding the bag, wondering what happened...

These are not random, isolated mistakes. They are the by-product of fundamental cultural pathologies within western elite circles – a deep rot. Why should institutions that have repeatedly authored such travesties, and spread such misery, continue to command respect and credibility? They shouldn’t, and they’re not. As Chris Hayes warned in his 2012 book Twilight of the Elites, “given both the scope and depth of this distrust [in elite institutions], it’s clear that we’re in the midst of something far grander and more perilous than just a crisis of government or a crisis of capitalism. We are in the midst of a broad and devastating crisis of authority.”

It’s natural – and inevitable – that malignant figures will try to exploit this vacuum of authority. All sorts of demagogues and extremists will try to re-direct mass anger for their own ends. Revolts against corrupt elite institutions can usher in reform and progress, but they can also create a space for the ugliest tribal impulses: xenophobia, authoritarianism, racism, fascism. One sees all of that, both good and bad, manifesting in the anti-establishment movements throughout the U.S., Europe, and the UK: including Brexit. All of this can be invigorating, or promising, or destabilizing, or dangerous: most likely a combination of all that.

The solution is not to subserviently cling to corrupt elite institutions out of fear of the alternatives. It is, instead, to help bury those institutions and their elite mavens and then fight for superior replacements. As Hayes put it in his book, the challenge is “directing the frustration, anger, and alienation we all feel into building a trans-ideological coalition that can actually dislodge the power of the post-meritocratic elite. One that marshals insurrectionist sentiment without succumbing to nihilism and manic, paranoid distrust.”

Corrupt elites always try to persuade people to continue to submit to their dominance in exchange for protection from forces that are even worse. That’s their game. But at some point, they themselves, and their prevailing order, become so destructive, so deceitful, so toxic, that their victims are willing to gamble that the alternatives will not be worse, or at least, they decide to embrace the satisfaction of spitting in the faces of those who have displayed nothing but contempt and condescension for them.

There is no one, unifying explanation for Brexit, or Trumpism, or the growing extremism of various stripes throughout the west, but this sense of angry impotence – an inability to see any option other than smashing those responsible for their plight – is undoubtedly a major factor. As Bevins put it, supporters of Trump, and Brexit, and other anti-establishment movements “are motivated not so much by whether they think the projects will actually work, but more by their desire to say FUCK YOU” to those they believe (with very good reason) have failed them.

Obviously, those who are the target of this anti-establishment rage – political, economic and media elites – are desperate to exonerate themselves, to demonstrate that they bear no responsibility for the suffering masses that are now refusing to be compliant and silent. The easiest course to achieve that goal is simply to demonize those with little power, wealth or possibility as stupid and racist: this is only happening because they are primitive and ignorant and hateful, not because they have any legitimate grievances or because I or my friends or my elite institutions have done anything wrong. As Vice’s Michael Tracey put it:

Michael Tracey
‏@mtracey
Elites' reaction to Brexit mimics their reaction to Trump: blame the amorality of ordinary people rather than reckon with elite failure

Because that reaction is so self-protective and self-glorifying, many U.S. media elites – including those who knew almost nothing about Brexit until 48 hours ago – instantly adopted it as their preferred narrative for explaining what happened, just as they’ve done with Trump, Corbyn, Sanders and any number of other instances where their entitlement to rule has been disregarded. They are so persuaded of their own natural superiority that any factions who refuse to see it and submit to it prove themselves, by definition, to be regressive, stunted and amoral.

https://theintercept.com/2016/06/25/bre ... titutions/

[JohnStOnge]

Last statement of the video pretty much nails it.

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TGJG_ekG1pY[/youtube]

[GannonFan]

Well George, we WILL count you out. After all, you are a big part of the problem.

For better of for worse, whether it's justified or not, regardless of whether they've actually earned it or not, people feel entitled to a certain standard of living. This is at the core of the Brexit vote and Trump's rise and people like Will are left holding the bag, wondering what happened...

These are not random, isolated mistakes. They are the by-product of fundamental cultural pathologies within western elite circles – a deep rot. Why should institutions that have repeatedly authored such travesties, and spread such misery, continue to command respect and credibility? They shouldn’t, and they’re not. As Chris Hayes warned in his 2012 book Twilight of the Elites, “given both the scope and depth of this distrust [in elite institutions], it’s clear that we’re in the midst of something far grander and more perilous than just a crisis of government or a crisis of capitalism. We are in the midst of a broad and devastating crisis of authority.”

It’s natural – and inevitable – that malignant figures will try to exploit this vacuum of authority. All sorts of demagogues and extremists will try to re-direct mass anger for their own ends. Revolts against corrupt elite institutions can usher in reform and progress, but they can also create a space for the ugliest tribal impulses: xenophobia, authoritarianism, racism, fascism. One sees all of that, both good and bad, manifesting in the anti-establishment movements throughout the U.S., Europe, and the UK: including Brexit. All of this can be invigorating, or promising, or destabilizing, or dangerous: most likely a combination of all that.

The solution is not to subserviently cling to corrupt elite institutions out of fear of the alternatives. It is, instead, to help bury those institutions and their elite mavens and then fight for superior replacements. As Hayes put it in his book, the challenge is “directing the frustration, anger, and alienation we all feel into building a trans-ideological coalition that can actually dislodge the power of the post-meritocratic elite. One that marshals insurrectionist sentiment without succumbing to nihilism and manic, paranoid distrust.”

Corrupt elites always try to persuade people to continue to submit to their dominance in exchange for protection from forces that are even worse. That’s their game. But at some point, they themselves, and their prevailing order, become so destructive, so deceitful, so toxic, that their victims are willing to gamble that the alternatives will not be worse, or at least, they decide to embrace the satisfaction of spitting in the faces of those who have displayed nothing but contempt and condescension for them.

There is no one, unifying explanation for Brexit, or Trumpism, or the growing extremism of various stripes throughout the west, but this sense of angry impotence – an inability to see any option other than smashing those responsible for their plight – is undoubtedly a major factor. As Bevins put it, supporters of Trump, and Brexit, and other anti-establishment movements “are motivated not so much by whether they think the projects will actually work, but more by their desire to say **** YOU” to those they believe (with very good reason) have failed them.

Obviously, those who are the target of this anti-establishment rage – political, economic and media elites – are desperate to exonerate themselves, to demonstrate that they bear no responsibility for the suffering masses that are now refusing to be compliant and silent. The easiest course to achieve that goal is simply to demonize those with little power, wealth or possibility as stupid and racist: this is only happening because they are primitive and ignorant and hateful, not because they have any legitimate grievances or because I or my friends or my elite institutions have done anything wrong. As Vice’s Michael Tracey put it:

Michael Tracey
‏@mtracey
Elites' reaction to Brexit mimics their reaction to Trump: blame the amorality of ordinary people rather than reckon with elite failure

Because that reaction is so self-protective and self-glorifying, many U.S. media elites – including those who knew almost nothing about Brexit until 48 hours ago – instantly adopted it as their preferred narrative for explaining what happened, just as they’ve done with Trump, Corbyn, Sanders and any number of other instances where their entitlement to rule has been disregarded. They are so persuaded of their own natural superiority that any factions who refuse to see it and submit to it prove themselves, by definition, to be regressive, stunted and amoral.

https://theintercept.com/2016/06/25/bre ... titutions/

I agree with this, and of course you can see a lot of truth in it. I think people are genuinely tired of being told by the political elite, whichever side of the aisle they are on, that the politicians are right and if you don't agree with them then you are wrong, evil, probably guilty of many negative -isms, and opposed to all that is true and good. The elite have gone too far down the road of self-identified moral and philosophical superiority that it's hard for them to come back. They're almost repulsed by the common people they claim to be leading.

[kalm]

Well George, we WILL count you out. After all, you are a big part of the problem.

For better of for worse, whether it's justified or not, regardless of whether they've actually earned it or not, people feel entitled to a certain standard of living. This is at the core of the Brexit vote and Trump's rise and people like Will are left holding the bag, wondering what happened...




https://theintercept.com/2016/06/25/bre ... titutions/

I agree with this, and of course you can see a lot of truth in it. I think people are genuinely tired of being told by the political elite, whichever side of the aisle they are on, that the politicians are right and if you don't agree with them then you are wrong, evil, probably guilty of many negative -isms, and opposed to all that is true and good. The elite have gone too far down the road of self-identified moral and philosophical superiority that it's hard for them to come back. They're almost repulsed by the common people they claim to be leading.

Well said, Ganny.

[AZGrizFan]

We are witnessing the development of a true multiparty system in the US.

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God lets hope so.

Really hoping that, with what happened with Trump and with the success Bernie Sanders saw/had, that people are starting to wake up...

[AZGrizFan]

There is no one, unifying explanation for Brexit, or Trumpism, or the growing extremism of various stripes throughout the west, but this sense of angry impotence – an inability to see any option other than smashing those responsible for their plight – is undoubtedly a major factor. As Bevins put it, supporters of Trump, and Brexit, and other anti-establishment movements “are motivated not so much by whether they think the projects will actually work, but more by their desire to say FUCK YOU” to those they believe (with very good reason) have failed them.

Obviously, those who are the target of this anti-establishment rage – political, economic and media elites – are desperate to exonerate themselves, to demonstrate that they bear no responsibility for the suffering masses that are now refusing to be compliant and silent. The easiest course to achieve that goal is simply to demonize those with little power, wealth or possibility as stupid and racist: this is only happening because they are primitive and ignorant and hateful, not because they have any legitimate grievances or because I or my friends or my elite institutions have done anything wrong.

Because that reaction is so self-protective and self-glorifying, many U.S. media elites – including those who knew almost nothing about Brexit until 48 hours ago – instantly adopted it as their preferred narrative for explaining what happened, just as they’ve done with Trump, Corbyn, Sanders and any number of other instances where their entitlement to rule has been disregarded. They are so persuaded of their own natural superiority that any factions who refuse to see it and submit to it prove themselves, by definition, to be regressive, stunted and amoral.

Holy shit, I couldn't agree more. This is by far the best description/explanation of what's going on in our country and across the globe right now.

[Ibanez]

Well George, we WILL count you out. After all, you are a big part of the problem.

For better of for worse, whether it's justified or not, regardless of whether they've actually earned it or not, people feel entitled to a certain standard of living. This is at the core of the Brexit vote and Trump's rise and people like Will are left holding the bag, wondering what happened...




https://theintercept.com/2016/06/25/bre ... titutions/

I agree with this, and of course you can see a lot of truth in it. I think people are genuinely tired of being told by the political elite, whichever side of the aisle they are on, that the politicians are right and if you don't agree with them then you are wrong, evil, probably guilty of many negative -isms, and opposed to all that is true and good. The elite have gone too far down the road of self-identified moral and philosophical superiority that it's hard for them to come back. They're almost repulsed by the common people they claim to be leading.

This line pretty much nails it...

supporters of Trump, and Brexit, and other anti-establishment movements “are motivated not so much by whether they think the projects will actually work, but more by their desire to say **** YOU” to those they believe (with very good reason) have failed them.

I cant'tell you how many interviews I have seen or heard with politicians who bring up this fact and they either ignore it or try to rationalize Washington's behavior.

[Baldy]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics ... story.html

I guess the guy is just a Hillary fanboy, right Cluck?

Awww...an establishment Neocon got his widdle feewings hurt.

Go cry me a river and write another baseball book, George.

[Ivytalk]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics ... story.html

I guess the guy is just a Hillary fanboy, right Cluck?

Awww...an establishment Neocon got his widdle feewings hurt.

Go cry me a river and write another baseball book, George.

And, in sports news, the Cubs are starting to fade -- again! All-around shytty week for George Will!

[YoUDeeMan]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics ... story.html

I guess the guy is just a Hillary fanboy, right Cluck?

What a dope.

George Will can leave the party, but his action is similar to the very last person at the bar at closing time saying that he is leaving because their aren't any chicks that he likes.

He is supposed to be smart, but he has been sitting around not noticing the cancer eating at his party for the past couple decades.

Leave it to George and JSO to be soooooooooo wrapped up in how people present themselves rather than paying attention to their actions and the actual results from those actions.

[Pwns]

We are witnessing the development of a true multiparty system in the US.

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I really don't like Trump but saying he's going to destroy the GOP is giving him waaaaaaaaay too much credit. Hilldog's first term will be just like Obama's first two years in office...republicans doing what they can without the WH or majorities in either chamber of congress. After people realize how dangerous she is the GOP will make another big win in the 2018 midterms. Business as usual.

[houndawg]

We are witnessing the development of a true multiparty system in the US.

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God lets hope so.

Really hoping that, with what happened with Trump and with the success Bernie Sanders saw/had, that people are starting to wake up...

nd I



I think the elites are breathing a huge sigh of relief right now and were caught by surprise at the size of the thumb they needed to lay on the scale to get the result desired.

[DSUrocks07]

We are witnessing the development of a true multiparty system in the US.

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I really don't like Trump but saying he's going to destroy the GOP is giving him waaaaaaaaay too much credit. Hilldog's first term will be just like Obama's first two years in office...republicans doing what they can without the WH or majorities in either chamber of congress. After people realize how dangerous she is the GOP will make another big win in the 2018 midterms. Business as usual.

I'm referring to the extremist/radical wings of both parties are on course to break away and form their own political parties. Ted Cruz and the Conservative Party. Bernie Sanders and the Progressive Party. And who knows, maybe those who do support Trump form a Populist party. The Green Party in America will grow from this, the Libertarians are already going mainstream, to the chagrin of some of its members.

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