Republicans (2nd) worst nightmare...

[BDKJMU]

Health insurance costs in the United States are an individual issue and a national issue. As illustrated in Chart 1, the average annual costs for health insurance coverage for an individual have risen from $2,196 in 1990 to $5,049 in 2010. This is equivalent to an average rate of increase of 7.9% per annum compound1, which is well in excess of the rate of price inflation (2.6% per annum compound) for the same period2.

The increase in family coverage has been even greater, with average premiums rising from $5,791 in 1999 to $13,770 in 2010, a rate of increase of 8.2% per annum compound3.

http://www.healthinsurancecompanies.org/costs

So what is it you have done other than parrot partisan bullshit from your selected propaganda? Act like you know it all all the time, and it is same old ****. Tired **** stuff, makes one wonder why you aren't running the country. I don't give a **** what you think, ever, and it does not matter of course what I have done or what you believe. Your posts consistently suck, you must be a real anal cyst to live with.

Just like I thought. When called out on your idiotic claim of pre Obamacare 30% annual increases Just making up #s and ulling them out of your arse like they were the norm. You were refuted, and nothing to come back with..

[JohnStOnge]

Chizz, I hate to have to be ad hominem but you've got a sourcing problem in that the underlying analyses and statistics come from the Urban Institute. It's been described by the same LA Times as a "Leading Liberal Think Tank."

http://articles.latimes.com/1988-06-12/ ... -institute

Doesn't necessarily mean it's wrong on any particular thing. But it's not an objective institution. It's going to be inclined to portray something like the Affordable Care Act in a favorable light.

It's kind of like if I tell you the Heritage Foundation came out with a study saying that the Affordable Care Act sucks. You're going to consider the source and be skeptical.

Dear JohnStwrong...
Yes I am well aware that the article is basically a fluff job for the White House
Thank you for playing

we can all find articles that confirm or deny whatever our little hearts desire...
its called confirmation bias

That's why a technique I use when I can is to get information from a source that tends to be contrary to the point of view I'm supporting that supports that point of view.

For example: The Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change report saying that unequivocally attributing Climate Change to any particular cause is not possible.

Or at least try to avoid to the extent that you can citing sources everyone knows are favorable.

Of course another thing I do is just go to the data myself. An example of that is the set of assessments I've provided on National Assessment of Educational Progress data.

But it really is a shame that there is very little out there in terms of institutions we can look at and say, "they have absolutely no bias and we can be confident that what we're looking at is a completely objective assessment."

[houndawg]

Chizz, I hate to have to be ad hominem but you've got a sourcing problem in that the underlying analyses and statistics come from the Urban Institute. It's been described by the same LA Times as a "Leading Liberal Think Tank."

http://articles.latimes.com/1988-06-12/ ... -institute

Doesn't necessarily mean it's wrong on any particular thing. But it's not an objective institution. It's going to be inclined to portray something like the Affordable Care Act in a favorable light.

It's kind of like if I tell you the Heritage Foundation came out with a study saying that the Affordable Care Act sucks. You're going to consider the source and be skeptical.

Why would they say that when it was their idea?

[Chizzang]

That's why a technique I use when I can is to get information from a source that tends to be contrary to the point of view I'm supporting that supports that point of view.

For example: The Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change report saying that unequivocally attributing Climate Change to any particular cause is not possible.

Or at least try to avoid to the extent that you can citing sources everyone knows are favorable.

Of course another thing I do is just go to the data myself. An example of that is the set of assessments I've provided on National Assessment of Educational Progress data.

But it really is a shame that there is very little out there in terms of institutions we can look at and say, "they have absolutely no bias and we can be confident that what we're looking at is a completely objective assessment."

John
You're refuting your own theory on staunchism and being steadfast
for years around here you used to argue how important it was to "hold fast" in your beliefs

while I simultaneously argued that "There is nothing special about a personal belief"

so now whatever it is you're trying to say - I think I like it

[JohnStOnge]

John
You're refuting your own theory on staunchism and being steadfast
for years around here you used to argue how important it was to "hold fast" in your beliefs

while I simultaneously argued that "There is nothing special about a personal belief"

so now whatever it is you're trying to say - I think I like it

I don't think you're correctly characterizing my outlook. My outlook is that you establish a certain set of principles and stick to them. But I have no problem with changing a belief if it is unequivocally shown to be false.

And of course there are different levels of certainty associated with beliefs.

[kalm]

Chizz, I hate to have to be ad hominem but you've got a sourcing problem in that the underlying analyses and statistics come from the Urban Institute. It's been described by the same LA Times as a "Leading Liberal Think Tank."

http://articles.latimes.com/1988-06-12/ ... -institute

Doesn't necessarily mean it's wrong on any particular thing. But it's not an objective institution. It's going to be inclined to portray something like the Affordable Care Act in a favorable light.

It's kind of like if I tell you the Heritage Foundation came out with a study saying that the Affordable Care Act sucks. You're going to consider the source and be skeptical.

Why would they say that when it was their idea?

Nice work houndy!

[kalm]

John
You're refuting your own theory on staunchism and being steadfast
for years around here you used to argue how important it was to "hold fast" in your beliefs

while I simultaneously argued that "There is nothing special about a personal belief"

so now whatever it is you're trying to say - I think I like it

I don't think you're correctly characterizing my outlook. My outlook is that you establish a certain set of principles and stick to them. But I have no problem with changing a belief if it is unequivocally shown to be false.

And of course there are different levels of certainty associated with beliefs.

That's right! Open-mindedness is a virtue.

[SeattleGriz]

And clenz: $10K?! Was that the only option available? I just signed up for health insurance with BCBS and the highest deductible was $5000/family.

Yes. Small company of 75 full time employees. Average age is 53ish. Kind of a worst case scenario for insurance.

Our company had BCBS but left due to costs and moved to United.

2013-2014 saw an 11% increase. Our company ate that increase.
2014-15 saw another 15% increase and our company ate that increase.
Going from 2015 into this year there was going to be a 29% increase.

Our company couldn't eat that. It also didn't want to pass that kind of jump to the employees so a switch was made to a cheaper premium insurance company...that just is shittier overall.

If our company had stayed with BCBS I'd be paying about $1,400 a month right now. Not sure what our dedctable and all that would have been, but we'd be at 16,800 per year in just premium costs. That doesn't include any actual bills.

Can't wait until what we get hit with next year. 3 women over the age of 56 are going through breast cancer treatments right now and a 54 year old male underwent prostate cancer surgery in March.

Company hasn't hired any younger people to offset the age. It's going to get real ugly in 5-10 years when 90% of our company is 70+ years old and or dead and are still dragging their feet on getting younger.

In my branch I'm 28, my lead inside salesman turns 25 tomorrow and my delivery driver is 37.
Another branch has ages of 48, 52, 53, 49, and 56
A third branch has 32 and then 6 guys over 45
Main branch has maybe 4 guys under 35 years old...maybe?

I'd guess there are 5 or 6 guys under 35 in our company right now.

Are you guys stuck using any particular lab with United? LabCorp used to have an agreement with them and everyone had to use LabCorp if they wanted better coverage. Just hope you have a draw station in your area.

[Ibanez]

What is it about you, your company or Iowa that makes it so expensive? Our family of 3 is about $500/mo.

[Ibanez]

Yes. Small company of 75 full time employees. Average age is 53ish. Kind of a worst case scenario for insurance.

Our company had BCBS but left due to costs and moved to United.

2013-2014 saw an 11% increase. Our company ate that increase.
2014-15 saw another 15% increase and our company ate that increase.
Going from 2015 into this year there was going to be a 29% increase.

Our company couldn't eat that. It also didn't want to pass that kind of jump to the employees so a switch was made to a cheaper premium insurance company...that just is shittier overall.

If our company had stayed with BCBS I'd be paying about $1,400 a month right now. Not sure what our dedctable and all that would have been, but we'd be at 16,800 per year in just premium costs. That doesn't include any actual bills.

Can't wait until what we get hit with next year. 3 women over the age of 56 are going through breast cancer treatments right now and a 54 year old male underwent prostate cancer surgery in March.

Company hasn't hired any younger people to offset the age. It's going to get real ugly in 5-10 years when 90% of our company is 70+ years old and or dead and are still dragging their feet on getting younger.

In my branch I'm 28, my lead inside salesman turns 25 tomorrow and my delivery driver is 37.
Another branch has ages of 48, 52, 53, 49, and 56
A third branch has 32 and then 6 guys over 45
Main branch has maybe 4 guys under 35 years old...maybe?

I'd guess there are 5 or 6 guys under 35 in our company right now.

Are you guys stuck using any particular lab with United? LabCorp used to have an agreement with them and everyone had to use LabCorp if they wanted better coverage. Just hope you have a draw station in your area.

What sucks is that I never thought about asking who was doing labs so I always went to LabCorp when I should've gone to Quest.

[DSUrocks07]

This will probably be the third year in a row where I will have to pay taxes at the end of the year thanks to Obamacare.

Right now I owe about 500 for 2014, nearly 1300 for 2015 and probably going to be more for 2016.

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[houndawg]

Isn't calling someone a pole smoker a derogatory term for being a homosexual?
Not very progressive of you...

If you've been in the health business you must know this Obama care is the shits and getting worse every year
Of course most of the bad news built into the system was designed to come out after elections...so they knew it.
Friend of mine went from $1,000 deductible to approaching $7,000 now and no more co-pays...and she works in a hospital

Your answer is to go full socialism...that should work

How would that be worse?

[POD Knows]

Isn't calling someone a pole smoker a derogatory term for being a homosexual?
Not very progressive of you...

If you've been in the health business you must know this Obama care is the shits and getting worse every year
Of course most of the bad news built into the system was designed to come out after elections...so they knew it.
Friend of mine went from $1,000 deductible to approaching $7,000 now and no more co-pays...and she works in a hospital

Your answer is to go full socialism...that should work

How would that be worse?

You just admitted to what the plan was all along, create something that was such a debacle that the only solution was single payer. Nice work assholes

[houndawg]

How would that be worse?

You just admitted to what the plan was all along, create something that was such a debacle that the only solution was single payer. Nice work assholes

You're saying you don't like the plan the Heritage Foundation came up with, Pudnose?

[POD Knows]

You just admitted to what the plan was all along, create something that was such a debacle that the only solution was single payer. Nice work assholes

You're saying you don't like the plan the Heritage Foundation came up with, Pudnose?

Don't remember it but if this is what they came up with, then I am opposed to it. The "Republican" bill that everybody likes to reference is one that the Senate drafted, it was co sponsored by a bunch of RINO republicans and a couple democrats, it was different that the ACA in many ways and went nowhere in the Senate.

[houndawg]

You're saying you don't like the plan the Heritage Foundation came up with, Pudnose?

Don't remember it but if this is what they came up with, then I am opposed to it. The "Republican" bill that everybody likes to reference is one that the Senate drafted, it was co sponsored by a bunch of RINO republicans and a couple democrats, it was different that the ACA in many ways and went nowhere in the Senate.

Single payer is the only way to do health insurance worth having.

Insurance companies make money by receiving premiums and not paying claims. Paying your claim makes the bonus pool smaller. Don't get sick.

[POD Knows]

Don't remember it but if this is what they came up with, then I am opposed to it. The "Republican" bill that everybody likes to reference is one that the Senate drafted, it was co sponsored by a bunch of RINO republicans and a couple democrats, it was different that the ACA in many ways and went nowhere in the Senate.

Single payer is the only way to do health insurance worth having.

Insurance companies make money by receiving premiums and not paying claims. Paying your claim makes the bonus pool smaller. Don't get sick.

Why don't you move to a country that has it and take the rest of the socialist deadbeats with you. Useless bottom feeders and dependent ass hats like you are dragging this country into a financial abyss. You and your ilk are a cancer in a free society.

[kalm]

Single payer is the only way to do health insurance worth having.

Insurance companies make money by receiving premiums and not paying claims. Paying your claim makes the bonus pool smaller. Don't get sick.

Why don't you move to a country that has it and take the rest of the socialist deadbeats with you. Useless bottom feeders and dependent ass hats like you are dragging this country into a financial abyss. You and your ilk are a cancer in a free society.

Yeah! And take those deadbeat socialist hydro dams, freeways, defense contractors, clean water and and food, safe drugs, and quasi-private centralized banking with you!

[LeadBolt]

The worst fear of Republicans would be that the ACA doesn't work. It would be great if it indeed led to lowered health costs, increased availability and improved quality.

Republicans worst fear is that the ACA fails, as it was designed to do by the Democrats and that it leads to a single payer mandate.

[POD Knows]

Why don't you move to a country that has it and take the rest of the socialist deadbeats with you. Useless bottom feeders and dependent ass hats like you are dragging this country into a financial abyss. You and your ilk are a cancer in a free society.

Yeah! And take those deadbeat socialist hydro dams, freeways, defense contractors, clean water and and food, safe drugs, and quasi-private centralized banking with you!

Yep, and the National Parks, Social Security, Drug laws, Medicare, Medicaid, the progressive income tax, the EPA, the Department of Education, and the rest of the things that the Feds have done that are not an enumerated federal power. Now we are talking.

[kalm]

Yeah! And take those deadbeat socialist hydro dams, freeways, defense contractors, clean water and and food, safe drugs, and quasi-private centralized banking with you!

Yep, and the National Parks, Social Security, Drug laws, Medicare, Medicaid, the progressive income tax, the EPA, the Department of Education, and the rest of the things that the Feds have done that are not an enumerated federal power. Now we are talking.

And the Louisiana Purchase. And land grant universities!!!

[POD Knows]

Yep, and the National Parks, Social Security, Drug laws, Medicare, Medicaid, the progressive income tax, the EPA, the Department of Education, and the rest of the things that the Feds have done that are not an enumerated federal power. Now we are talking.

And the Louisiana Purchase. And land grant universities!!!

Yep, shouldn't have been any federal land to "grant" but I suppose somebody had to "own" it at the time so there you go. How come you didn't bring up the post office, that is socialistic as well and it works really awesome, how about Amtrak, socialist and another government subsidized piece of shit. Very little that is run by the government is efficient and functional but you seem to be all in for government control or maybe you are just a smart ass, I think it is the later.

[houndawg]

Single payer is the only way to do health insurance worth having.

Insurance companies make money by receiving premiums and not paying claims. Paying your claim makes the bonus pool smaller. Don't get sick.

Why don't you move to a country that has it and take the rest of the socialist deadbeats with you. Useless bottom feeders and dependent ass hats like you are dragging this country into a financial abyss. You and your ilk are a cancer in a free society.

Says some dipshit stupid enough to believe that his insurance company will put his health ahead of their profits.

Thanks for sharing. Maybe a little more "seasoning" over at the Developmental League on AGS is in order We'll call you..

[POD Knows]

Why don't you move to a country that has it and take the rest of the socialist deadbeats with you. Useless bottom feeders and dependent ass hats like you are dragging this country into a financial abyss. You and your ilk are a cancer in a free society.

Says some dipshit stupid enough to believe that his insurance company will put his health ahead of their profits.

Thanks for sharing. Maybe a little more "seasoning" over at the Developmental League on AGS is in order We'll call you..

Yea, that is it, have you been sleeping to close to the cooker or are you genetically deficient. I bet you play a banjo and sit on a front porch.

[houndawg]

How would that be worse?

You just admitted to what the plan was all along, create something that was such a debacle that the only solution was single payer. Nice work assholes

You didn't answer the question, PUD.