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Re: The Deep State

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GannonFan wrote:
Skjellyfetti wrote:
Our glorious POTUS! Actual quote. :lol:
You know, for a POTUS who has been riddled with inaccuracies and just flat out dreamt up stuff, he does have the penchant from time to time to pull the curtain back on the truth of politics and politicians that you would never hear a seasoned politician ever admit to. You could drop the name of any politician into that quote and have a pretty good chance of being accurate.
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Ursus A. Horribilis wrote:
ALPHAGRIZ1 wrote:He cant fuck this country up anymore than it already is.
How big a fucking snowflake do you have to be to think we got it tough here Alf? :lol:

Yeah it's just terrible around here!
Well someone (probably dback) once tried to make him feel bad for calling someone a "slit" or "ape", and he' still trying to get over it. Repression!



...though after visiting Billings this weekend I'd be on board with him if I had to live there. What a depressing hole. That sums up my white MT person problems
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Brock Landers wrote:
Ursus A. Horribilis wrote: How big a fucking snowflake do you have to be to think we got it tough here Alf? :lol:

Yeah it's just terrible around here!
Well someone (probably dback) once tried to make him feel bad for calling someone a "slit" or "ape", and he' still trying to get over it. Repression!



...though after visiting Billings this weekend I'd be on board with him if I had to live there. What a depressing hole. That sums up my white MT person problems
His humor is often over the top and taken incorrectly. I can see why but trust me, it is a lot of times.

He doesn't live in Billings btw. At least not in the last 6 yrs. or so but I agree living there could get to a person after a while I think.
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I have no idea where he lives. I was just trying o imagine being unhappy in MT
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I think most of it is a bit much but I do agree with this Statement:
The root of the problem is that, as the result of widespread and pervasive civic, political and historical ignorance, the aspirations of the polity to participate in governance vastly exceeds its capacity to do so responsibly.
And if you think I'm being too harsh, check this out:

http://www.businessinsider.com/poll-man ... ent-2014-9

I won't even quote it. Just read it. It's pretty short. It's from 2014 but I have no reason to believe the basic picture has changed.
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Brock Landers wrote:I have no idea where he lives. I was just trying o imagine being unhappy in MT
Check out the chart below. Notice that lightly populated States tend to have higher suicide rates. I'm not going to take the time to do the math but hopefully you can take one look at that chart and see that there's going to be a correlation such that suicide rate generally goes up as population density goes down. Kind of weird because I personally don't like too high a population density. But it is what it is.

QuickStats: Age-Adjusted* Suicide† Rates, by State§ — United States, 2012
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November 14, 2014 / 63(45);1041-1041 (https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/mm6345a10.htm)
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That's just a cover for all the death by wolf
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Suicide rates are higher here because we have to listen to people from over populated states and their arrogance and uneducated blather make a bullet a welcome thing.

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ALPHAGRIZ1 wrote:Suicide rates are higher here because we have to listen to people from over populated states and their arrogance and uneducated blather make a bullet a welcome thing.
Or...
Rampant alcoholism and drug abuse

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JohnStOnge wrote:
Brock Landers wrote:I have no idea where he lives. I was just trying o imagine being unhappy in MT
Check out the chart below. Notice that lightly populated States tend to have higher suicide rates. I'm not going to take the time to do the math but hopefully you can take one look at that chart and see that there's going to be a correlation such that suicide rate generally goes up as population density goes down. Kind of weird because I personally don't like too high a population density. But it is what it is.

QuickStats: Age-Adjusted* Suicide† Rates, by State§ — United States, 2012
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November 14, 2014 / 63(45);1041-1041 (https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/mm6345a10.htm)
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For North Dakota Suicides, American Indians account for a majority of the suicides. 41.5 per 100,000, while the next group, males occur 15.7 per 100,000.
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Chizzang wrote:
ALPHAGRIZ1 wrote:Suicide rates are higher here because we have to listen to people from over populated states and their arrogance and uneducated blather make a bullet a welcome thing.
Or...
Rampant alcoholism and drug abuse

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My cousin in Minnesota actually just hung himself last night, his wife came home from work and found him in the garage.

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Skjellyfetti wrote:But, how do you decide who is "informed" enough to vote?

These kind of tests could be worded by a Democratic SoS to black Republican demographics from voting and by a Republican SoS to block typically Democratic voters.

I don't see how there would be any way of implementing some sort of test it would just be abused like "congressional apportionment" turning into gerrymandering.
These tests already exists...it begins and ends with people being too incompetent to properly get the required ID to vote in advance of election day. It kinda works itself out...

By the way what happened to Trump claiming to drain the swamp, why were all these "leakers" not shit canned on day 1? As a supposed change agent, did he seriously not see this "deep state" (entrenched bureaucracy is more accurate) mentality coming? :? :lol:
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SDHornet wrote:
Skjellyfetti wrote:But, how do you decide who is "informed" enough to vote?

These kind of tests could be worded by a Democratic SoS to black Republican demographics from voting and by a Republican SoS to block typically Democratic voters.

I don't see how there would be any way of implementing some sort of test it would just be abused like "congressional apportionment" turning into gerrymandering.
These tests already exists...it begins and ends with people being too incompetent to properly get the required ID to vote in advance of election day. It kinda works itself out...

By the way what happened to Trump claiming to drain the swamp, why were all these "leakers" not shit canned on day 1? As a supposed change agent, did he seriously not see this "deep state" (entrenched bureaucracy is more accurate) mentality coming? :? :lol:
Good point and the entrenched bureaucracy apparently transcends party.
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Gil Dobie wrote:
JohnStOnge wrote:
Check out the chart below. Notice that lightly populated States tend to have higher suicide rates. I'm not going to take the time to do the math but hopefully you can take one look at that chart and see that there's going to be a correlation such that suicide rate generally goes up as population density goes down. Kind of weird because I personally don't like too high a population density. But it is what it is.

QuickStats: Age-Adjusted* Suicide† Rates, by State§ — United States, 2012
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November 14, 2014 / 63(45);1041-1041 (https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/mm6345a10.htm)
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For North Dakota Suicides, American Indians account for a majority of the suicides. 41.5 per 100,000, while the next group, males occur 15.7 per 100,000.
The high percentage of suicide rates for Native Americans should be alarming. Below is a link to possible reasons this is happening.

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SDHornet wrote:
Skjellyfetti wrote:But, how do you decide who is "informed" enough to vote?

These kind of tests could be worded by a Democratic SoS to black Republican demographics from voting and by a Republican SoS to block typically Democratic voters.

I don't see how there would be any way of implementing some sort of test it would just be abused like "congressional apportionment" turning into gerrymandering.
These tests already exists...it begins and ends with people being too incompetent to properly get the required ID to vote in advance of election day. It kinda works itself out...
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Chizzang wrote:
Ursus A. Horribilis wrote: How big a fucking snowflake do you have to be to think we got it tough here Alf? :lol:

Yeah it's just terrible around here!
If you're white and male and living in America
and you can't find work or think it sucks here

:shock:

YOU are your own biggest problem I guarantee that
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You tell 'em.

Yeah...the factory closes down...the town dies...and there is Chizz, with his stack of books, telling every male in that town that they are their own worst enemy. :dunce:

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Hey, let's play more of Chizz's Reality World game:

If you are Black, or any other minority, and you can't get scholarship money, Chizz guarantees YOU are your own biggest problem.

If you are a woman, and you can't get an education or a job, Chizz guarantees YOU are your own biggest problem.

If you are a woman, and you can't get laid, Chizz guarantees YOU are your own biggest problem.

If you are an immigrant, and you can't get a business started, Chizz guarantees YOU are your own biggest problem.

If you are a woman, and can't get elected, Chizz guarantees YOU are your own biggest problem.

If you are a man, and you can't have children, Chizz guarantees YOU are your own biggest problem.

If you are a Muslin, and you don't feel respected, Chizz guarantees YOU are your own biggest problem.

Heck, if you are a woman, a minority, or an immigrant, and you can't get ahead in this country, Chizz guarantees YOU are your own biggest problem.

In the end, Chizz guarantees that if you weren't spoon fed and kicked out of Harvard, then YOU are your own biggest problem.
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JohnStOnge wrote:
Brock Landers wrote:I have no idea where he lives. I was just trying o imagine being unhappy in MT
Check out the chart below. Notice that lightly populated States tend to have higher suicide rates. I'm not going to take the time to do the math but hopefully you can take one look at that chart and see that there's going to be a correlation such that suicide rate generally goes up as population density goes down. Kind of weird because I personally don't like too high a population density. But it is what it is.

QuickStats: Age-Adjusted* Suicide† Rates, by State§ — United States, 2012
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November 14, 2014 / 63(45);1041-1041 (https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/mm6345a10.htm)
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I'm not going to the link but is that State or National population? National, right?
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Cluck U wrote: If you are a woman, and you can't get laid, Chizz guarantees YOU are your own biggest problem.
Wait. This one may be true. There are a lot of men with extremely low standards. :nod:
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JohnStOnge wrote:
Brock Landers wrote:I have no idea where he lives. I was just trying o imagine being unhappy in MT
Check out the chart below. Notice that lightly populated States tend to have higher suicide rates. I'm not going to take the time to do the math but hopefully you can take one look at that chart and see that there's going to be a correlation such that suicide rate generally goes up as population density goes down. Kind of weird because I personally don't like too high a population density. But it is what it is.

QuickStats: Age-Adjusted* Suicide† Rates, by State§ — United States, 2012
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November 14, 2014 / 63(45);1041-1041 (https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/mm6345a10.htm)
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Isolation is major factor in suicide, and it's probably harder to feel isolated when you can't get more than 10 feet from the next person. It is what it is. :coffee:
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Montana has a high suicide rate because they want to cash in on the life insurance policies.
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Montana sucks dont move here or visit.
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"Authority is power accepted as legitimate by those subjected to it"
(for all you Max Weber fans)
I have to snicker at all the Trumpies getting their panties in a bunch over "The Deep State"

The USA is a modern rational state based upon a legal structure of authority which is built upon a bureaucratic administrative structure. Get over it. Our Govt is made of laws, not populist pablum.

In the Dick Cheney White House the push was made to expand the Office of the President into a "strong(er) unitary executive" (which interestingly enough, the term "unitary executive branch" first appeared during the Reagan Administration in which The Dick was SecDef). The "expansion" of the concept has consistently grown since Reagan (not a surprise). What is also not a surprise is that our Presidents typically use their powers as Commander-in-Chief to expand the unitary executive power because it stands the best chance to pass Constitutional muster (NATIONAL SECURITY, dontyahknow ...).

Trump has conflated his populist 'charismatic' election (Is that diplomatic, or what?) with some convoluted vested legal authority fantasy which does not exist of a 'strong unitary executive' --- hence, the Federal Courts have already spanked his arse.

AND, if you want to see who really pumps The Deep State, go to Open Secrets. The looters of the US Treasury and their special interest lawyers are well represented there ...
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Aho Old Guy wrote:
"Authority is power accepted as legitimate by those subjected to it"
(for all you Max Weber fans)
I have to snicker at all the Trumpies getting their panties in a bunch over "The Deep State"

The USA is a modern rational state based upon a legal structure of authority which is built upon a bureaucratic administrative structure. Get over it. Our Govt is made of laws, not populist pablum.

In the Dick Cheney White House the push was made to expand the Office of the President into a "strong(er) unitary executive" (which interestingly enough, the term "unitary executive branch" first appeared during the Reagan Administration in which The Dick was SecDef). The "expansion" of the concept has consistently grown since Reagan (not a surprise). What is also not a surprise is that our Presidents typically use their powers as Commander-in-Chief to expand the unitary executive power because it stands the best chance to pass Constitutional muster (NATIONAL SECURITY, dontyahknow ...).

Trump has conflated his populist 'charismatic' election (Is that diplomatic, or what?) with some convoluted vested legal authority fantasy which does not exist of a 'strong unitary executive' --- hence, the Federal Courts have already spanked his arse.

AND, if you want to see who really pumps The Deep State, go to Open Secrets. The looters of the US Treasury and their special interest lawyers are well represented there ...
First of all, you used the words "pablum" and "conflated" in that post. Are you sure you didn't lift this post from an unacknowledged source? Just saying. I had to look up pablum and while I certainly knew conflated, I gotta say, it doesn't come up a lot. Vocab is fun though.

Second, the term "unitary executive branch" didn't originate with Reagan. Again, education of our own history comes up short yet again. :ohno: The idea was discussed in depth even going all the way back to the Constitutional Convention, and was the topic of a lot of debate and the unitary executive was the feature of the Virginia Plan that was ultimately accepted (not all of the Plan was of course) and it comes up in the Federalist Papers as well. It was the opposite theory/option to a multiple-person Executive branch which was on the table during that time as well. But rest assured, we've had a "unitary executive branch" since the first state ratified the Constitution, your bastardizing of the term notwithstanding.
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GannonFan wrote:
Aho Old Guy wrote:
I have to snicker at all the Trumpies getting their panties in a bunch over "The Deep State"

The USA is a modern rational state based upon a legal structure of authority which is built upon a bureaucratic administrative structure. Get over it. Our Govt is made of laws, not populist pablum.

In the Dick Cheney White House the push was made to expand the Office of the President into a "strong(er) unitary executive" (which interestingly enough, the term "unitary executive branch" first appeared during the Reagan Administration in which The Dick was SecDef). The "expansion" of the concept has consistently grown since Reagan (not a surprise). What is also not a surprise is that our Presidents typically use their powers as Commander-in-Chief to expand the unitary executive power because it stands the best chance to pass Constitutional muster (NATIONAL SECURITY, dontyahknow ...).

Trump has conflated his populist 'charismatic' election (Is that diplomatic, or what?) with some convoluted vested legal authority fantasy which does not exist of a 'strong unitary executive' --- hence, the Federal Courts have already spanked his arse.

AND, if you want to see who really pumps The Deep State, go to Open Secrets. The looters of the US Treasury and their special interest lawyers are well represented there ...
First of all, you used the words "pablum" and "conflated" in that post. Are you sure you didn't lift this post from an unacknowledged source? Just saying. I had to look up pablum and while I certainly knew conflated, I gotta say, it doesn't come up a lot. Vocab is fun though.

Second, the term "unitary executive branch" didn't originate with Reagan. Again, education of our own history comes up short yet again. :ohno: The idea was discussed in depth even going all the way back to the Constitutional Convention, and was the topic of a lot of debate and the unitary executive was the feature of the Virginia Plan that was ultimately accepted (not all of the Plan was of course) and it comes up in the Federalist Papers as well. It was the opposite theory/option to a multiple-person Executive branch which was on the table during that time as well. But rest assured, we've had a "unitary executive branch" since the first state ratified the Constitution, your bastardizing of the term notwithstanding.
Damn...rarely do I get disappointed by one of your posts. Pablum...pretty easy. And, "conflated" is the dime store vocabulary word that has been all the rage in the main stream news recently.

Anyway, you made up for it up by reducing Aho to rubble with a wonderful history lesson. :thumb:
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