2nd Amendment (101)

[kalm]

Well you sure as hell are gonna have a tough time exploring, populating, developing, and eventually managing that kind of acreage without expanding government. In some ways its similar to how military projection requires a larger government.

But I'm glad you recognize that Jefferson questioned the constitutionality of it which was my original smarmy point.

Yes I see your argument-

It fits nicely right in here:

There's no way jet fuel fires can melt steel

There's no way you can increase land holdings without increasing the size of government

There's no way just 7 billion humans can change the earth's climate

Like I told JSO.... I'll let you figure out the fallacious logic






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Of course. I'm just realistic and going off tendencies.

You can also base an economy off the magical pixie dust of rational self interest.

[Chizzang]

Yes I see your argument-

It fits nicely right in here:

There's no way jet fuel fires can melt steel

There's no way you can increase land holdings without increasing the size of government

There's no way just 7 billion humans can change the earth's climate

Like I told JSO.... I'll let you figure out the fallacious logic

Of course. I'm just realistic and going off tendencies.

You can also base an economy off the magical pixie dust of rational self interest.

The magical pixie dust if rational self interest...
Oh, Right
You mean Trickle Down economics..?

Don't get me started...

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[CID1990]

Of course. I'm just realistic and going off tendencies.

You can also base an economy off the magical pixie dust of rational self interest.

The magical pixie dust if rational self interest...
Oh, Right
You mean Trickle Down economics..?

Don't get me started...

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Well I guess with this ricochet in the discussion klam has managed to avoid having to back up his equation

Louisiana Purchase = more land = big government

[kalm]

The magical pixie dust if rational self interest...
Oh, Right
You mean Trickle Down economics..?

Don't get me started...

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Well I guess with this ricochet in the discussion klam has managed to avoid having to back up his equation

Louisiana Purchase = more land = big government

"Big government" was a satirical swipe at the limited government/strict constitutionalist idealists. In a fairy tale world of true free market capitalism and self governance... exploration, development of infrastructure, and the unlocking of natural resources would be driven by the private sector and in a timely fashion.

Things like the Corps of discovery, Homestead Act, RR Act, College Land Grants, on through to the Interstate Freeways and NASA created massive opportunities for the private sector to flourish and before the private sector would have made similar investments.

So yeah...bigg(er) government.

[CID1990]

Well I guess with this ricochet in the discussion klam has managed to avoid having to back up his equation

Louisiana Purchase = more land = big government

"Big government" was a satirical swipe at the limited government/strict constitutionalist idealists. In a fairy tale world of true free market capitalism and self governance... exploration, development of infrastructure, and the unlocking of natural resources would be driven by the private sector and in a timely fashion.

Things like the Corps of discovery, Homestead Act, RR Act, College Land Grants, on through to the Interstate Freeways and NASA created massive opportunities for the private sector to flourish and before the private sector would have made similar investments.

So yeah...bigg(er) government.

To paraphrase Clitsaurus:


TL/DR


Did you provide some direct causality between intrusive regulatory government and the expansion of the physical United States with the Louisiana Purchase, or were you just squirting out some generalized bullshit?

As someone who has lived in the tropics for many years, I know what squirting bullshit look like.... and it is what you are doing

Again- draw the straight line between the Louisiana Purchase and BIG GUMMINT, Perfessrer.

[kalm]

"Big government" was a satirical swipe at the limited government/strict constitutionalist idealists. In a fairy tale world of true free market capitalism and self governance... exploration, development of infrastructure, and the unlocking of natural resources would be driven by the private sector and in a timely fashion.

Things like the Corps of discovery, Homestead Act, RR Act, College Land Grants, on through to the Interstate Freeways and NASA created massive opportunities for the private sector to flourish and before the private sector would have made similar investments.

So yeah...bigg(er) government.

To paraphrase Clitsaurus:


TL/DR


Did you provide some direct causality between intrusive regulatory government and the expansion of the physical United States with the Louisiana Purchase, or were you just squirting out some generalized bullshit?

As someone who has lived in the tropics for many years, I know what squirting bullshit look like.... and it is what you are doing

Again- draw the straight line between the Louisiana Purchase and BIG GUMMINT, Perfessrer.

You can go ahead and hang up your hat on the "intrusive regulatory government" angle as I've already mentioned that was a bit of trolling...which has obviously been quite effective . That was really my point. There are examples where big government, perhaps even outside the limits of the constitution, isn't necessarily a bad thing. You need a big government if you're going to manage hundreds of thousands of square miles of new territory. But yes...it didn't happen overnight.

So no, I'm not going to draw the straight line. I've provided you with examples, you just don't like it.

Ooops....tl;dr again!

[CID1990]

To paraphrase Clitsaurus:


TL/DR


Did you provide some direct causality between intrusive regulatory government and the expansion of the physical United States with the Louisiana Purchase, or were you just squirting out some generalized bullshit?

As someone who has lived in the tropics for many years, I know what squirting bullshit look like.... and it is what you are doing

Again- draw the straight line between the Louisiana Purchase and BIG GUMMINT, Perfessrer.

You can go ahead and hang up your hat on the "intrusive regulatory government" angle as I've already mentioned that was a bit of trolling...which has obviously been quite effective . That was really my point. There are examples where big government, perhaps even outside the limits of the constitution, isn't necessarily a bad thing. You need a big government if you're going to manage hundreds of thousands of square miles of new territory. But yes...it didn't happen overnight.

So no, I'm not going to draw the straight line. I've provided you with examples, you just don't like it.

Ooops....tl;dr again!

OK

The Louisiana Purchase caused BLM

You chose to die on that hill, and boy you died on it

[kalm]

You can go ahead and hang up your hat on the "intrusive regulatory government" angle as I've already mentioned that was a bit of trolling...which has obviously been quite effective . That was really my point. There are examples where big government, perhaps even outside the limits of the constitution, isn't necessarily a bad thing. You need a big government if you're going to manage hundreds of thousands of square miles of new territory. But yes...it didn't happen overnight.

So no, I'm not going to draw the straight line. I've provided you with examples, you just don't like it.

Ooops....tl;dr again!

OK

The Louisiana Purchase caused BLM

You chose to die on that hill, and boy you died on it

The Corps of Discovery's mission was to explore the LA Purchase and points beyond for the sake of science and to assess natural resources. The BLM's mission is to manage those public lands. According to the Bundy's, the BLM is an example of oppressive big government.

Just trying to help you connect some dots, Homey.

[Chizzang]

Two of my favorite Titans slogging it out on the battle fields of head-space

[CID1990]

Next, we'll talk about how it is inconsistent for limited government proponents to have boats because boats led to the discovery of America


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[Ivytalk]

Next, we'll talk about how it is inconsistent for limited government proponents to have boats because boats led to the discovery of America


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Hey, Columbus, you didn't discover that!

[Chizzang]

CID and Kalm...

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[Ivytalk]

CID and Kalm...

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Jizzang, you're in there for the threesome! HOMO!

[houndawg]

CID and Kalm...

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Jizzang, you're in there for the threesome! HOMO!

Lucky Pierre and the pivot man

[Chizzang]

Jizzang, you're in there for the threesome! HOMO!

Is it that easy to tell...
I'm totally feeling left out right now

[kalm]

Next, we'll talk about how it is inconsistent for limited government proponents to have boats because boats led to the discovery of America


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Nice analogy, Z!

Now that you mention it, Lewis and Clark traded with the Mandan over the winter of 1804 and there were probably a couple of dug out canoes involved. This would have been completely unconstitutional without congressional consent of the treaty and you and Hogan should be upset by it.

Some 200 years later, Kalm would go on to catch a wild, 23 inch brown from a stream at the 13,000 acre Escure Ranch parcel that the BLM purchased in the 1980's...thanking his lucky stars for the Corps of Discovery which led to the BLM.

[kalm]

Jizzang, you're in there for the threesome! HOMO!

Is it that easy to tell...
I'm totally feeling left out right now

[UNI88]

Jizzang, you're in there for the threesome! HOMO!

Is it that easy to tell...
I'm totally feeling left out right now

Maybe you could swing a menage a trois if Kalm's rafting boy toy will allow it.

Serious question: If they had to re-write today, do you think it would be exactly the same?

Back to Kalm's original question. No I don't think it would be exactly the same but I do think the differences would likely please and upset those on the right and the left.

More importantly, I think that our founders were pretty gifted visionaries who crafted a government that was flexible enough to respond to changes without requiring many changes to the foundation of that government. Donks and Conks both want to interpret the constitution in the (broad or narrow) way that best allows them to impose their beliefs on others.

[kalm]

Is it that easy to tell...
I'm totally feeling left out right now

Maybe you could swing a menage a trois if Kalm's rafting boy toy will allow it.

Serious question: If they had to re-write today, do you think it would be exactly the same?

Back to Kalm's original question. No I don't think it would be exactly the same but I do think the differences would likely please and upset those on the right and the left.

More importantly, I think that our founders were pretty gifted visionaries who crafted a government that was flexible enough to respond to changes without requiring many changes to the foundation of that government. Donks and Conks both want to interpret the constitution in the (broad or narrow) way that best allows them to impose their beliefs on others.

Et tu, '88?

(I would have congratulated you on the rest of your post, but... )