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Densedog spouting his usual non sense. The NFL extremely tightly regulates player on field behavior, how they wear their uniform, what they can and can't wear on it, etc. If the NFL as a whole said you have to stand or be fined, then players would stand. The one thing the NFL and players care about above all else is $$$. And before this past weekend it wasn't even 1% of players doing it. Easy to squash that.houndawg wrote:BDKJMU wrote: The owner. In this case the NFL. And by not stopping it (which they easily could have done) they are tacitly condoning it.
Bullshit as usual.![]()
The owners can't stop **** or they'll be left with a small, slow, team that will never see the playoffs again.
..peacefully and patriotically make your voices heard..
Fake news.GannonFan wrote:Fake news alert on this one - three of those games didn't even happen this year - the Giants haven't played the Redskins yet, the Bengals weren't at San Fran, and the Titans didn't play the Chargers this year. I didn't check pre-season games but that's a whole different can of worms if you showed pictures from there.Baldy wrote: Pretty shitty.
With that said, though, there's no doubt the NFL is experiencing a dip in interest, and certainly some of it can be attributed to backlash against the protests. Certainly not all, though, as all sports have seen some issues of late.
I agree with you that the majority of the people speaking out against the kneeling are not also supporting the flag from an unsuccessful rebellion against the nation. But let's flip the debate around because I strongly suspect that a great majority of the people proudly displaying a confederate battle flag are ironically and hypocritically against kneeling during the anthem.Gil Dobie wrote:I don't think a majority of the people speaking out against the kneeling are the same one's supporting the flag from an unsuccessful rebellion against the nation. There are many, IMO, not a majority.UNI88 wrote:Question 1 (and I apologize if this has already been asked and answered) - why is kneeling during national anthem disrespectful but proudly displaying the flag from an unsuccessful rebellion against the nation that the anthem and flag represent not disrespectful?
In reality, the ratings decline has been mild, not massive, and the ratings of some big games--like the Sept. 10 matchup between the Giants and the Cowboys and Thursday's Rams-49ers tilt--have been up year-over-year as much as 38%. Before Sunday’s games, ratings for Sunday Night Football were down 7% this year, while those for Sunday afternoon games were down 11% on Fox and 19% on CBS, year over year. ESPN’s Monday Night Football has seen a ratings drop of 5%.
This likely reflects the effects of cord-cutting as people turn to the internet to watch the games. The rise of streaming has been so impactful that ESPN will now only report a viewing number combining streaming and linear audiences, it announced Friday. The various hurricanes that hit America over the past month also caused viewing disruptions.
And, even with the ratings decline, football games remain the most-watched primetime programming on television--and the some of the most lucrative, too.
Miami isn't the 'South'..JohnStOnge wrote:On the stadium pictures thing:
In order to properly interpret those pictures you'd have to know what the score was and how much time was left in the game. Honestly I haven't watched NFL football regularly for years. But what you'd have to do is look at what the crowds looked like at opening kickoff.
Having said that, Los Angeles does have an issue. See the NFL attendance stats at http://www.espn.com/nfl/attendance. They show an average Los Angeles home attendance for the first two home games at 25,383. That is incredibly low NFL attendance.
But I seriously doubt that's because NFL players are kneeling. I don't think Los Angeles is a place where you'd expect to see people fleeing pro football games because players are kneeling during the national anthem. It's not exactly Birmingham. If that's having an effect one would expect to see it manifested in places like the South. And it the South the average home attendances are pretty decent:
Dallas 93,183
New Orleans 73,168
Houston 71,710
Atlanta 70,826
Tennessee 69,108
Jacksonville 61,709
Tampa Bay 56,640
No home attendance average is listed for Miami.
..peacefully and patriotically make your voices heard..
Actually I don't know if Jacksonville and Tampa are either. Florida has been taken over by Yankees and the only places that I think of as "Southern" in cultural terms anymore are in the rural counties. But, geographically they're in the South so I included them.BDKJMU wrote:Miami isn't the 'South'..JohnStOnge wrote:On the stadium pictures thing:
In order to properly interpret those pictures you'd have to know what the score was and how much time was left in the game. Honestly I haven't watched NFL football regularly for years. But what you'd have to do is look at what the crowds looked like at opening kickoff.
Having said that, Los Angeles does have an issue. See the NFL attendance stats at http://www.espn.com/nfl/attendance. They show an average Los Angeles home attendance for the first two home games at 25,383. That is incredibly low NFL attendance.
But I seriously doubt that's because NFL players are kneeling. I don't think Los Angeles is a place where you'd expect to see people fleeing pro football games because players are kneeling during the national anthem. It's not exactly Birmingham. If that's having an effect one would expect to see it manifested in places like the South. And it the South the average home attendances are pretty decent:
Dallas 93,183
New Orleans 73,168
Houston 71,710
Atlanta 70,826
Tennessee 69,108
Jacksonville 61,709
Tampa Bay 56,640
No home attendance average is listed for Miami.
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa- ... SKCN1C237JSenator says Russian internet trolls stoked NFL debate
WASHINGTON (Reuters) - A U.S. senator on Wednesday said Russian internet trolls, seeking to polarize Americans, helped fuel a debate ignited by President Donald Trump over whether NFL players should have the right to kneel during the national anthem.
The assertion, made by Republican James Lankford, comes as congressional investigators probing Moscow’s alleged meddling in the 2016 presidential election are focusing on how Russian agents used social media to spread divisive political content.
”We watched, even this weekend, the Russians and their troll farms, their internet folks, start hashtagging out #TakeAKnee and also hashtagging out #BoycottNFL,” Lankford, who sits on the Senate Intelligence Committee, said during a hearing on threats faced by the United States.
“They were taking both sides of the argument this weekend ... to try to raise the noise level of America and make a big issue seem like an even bigger issue as they are trying to push divisiveness in this country,” Lankford said.
Lankford did not provide evidence to corroborate his statement.
A Lankford aide said U.S. intelligence shared with senators showed that Russian troll operations relied on social media to meddle in U.S. issues going back to last year’s presidential election in an effort to divide Americans.
Such activity has also been occurring in Europe for years, the aide said.
A website built by researchers working with the Alliance for Securing Democracy, a bipartisan, transatlantic project to counter Russian disinformation, showed tweets promoting both sides of the football debate from 600 accounts that analysts identified as users who spread Russian propaganda on Twitter.
A Senate aide said the website was viewed as credible among congressional investigators.
I've been to Apalachicola a number of times because my career has been all about what happens in estuaries and that's a nationally important one.Skjellyfetti wrote:Panhandle is pretty southern. You'd love Apalachicola, JSO.
Baldy wrote:Pretty shitty.houndawg wrote:
Weather is too nice to be inside.![]()
How is game attendance?
JohnStOnge wrote:On the stadium pictures thing:
In order to properly interpret those pictures you'd have to know what the score was and how much time was left in the game.
Show me proof of thisSuperHornet wrote:Good one, houndawg.
My main beefs with this Turlock-inspired protest:
1. It's on company time. If any of US did anything like that, we'd be suspended or canned. Are NFL/MLB players somehow "more equal" than the rest of us?
2. The protest fails to address what they want it to address. The anthem typically honors the military, yet they're trying to shoehorn police brutality into it. That doesn't work, IMHO.
In terms of importance, #1 > #2, but I believe that both are true....
"The Star-Spangled Banner" was recognized for official use by the United States Navy in 1889, and by U.S. President Woodrow Wilson in 1916, and was made the national anthem by a congressional resolution on March 3, 1931 (46 Stat. 1508, codified at 36 U.S.C. § 301), which was signed by President Herbert Hoover. - WIKImrklean wrote:Show me proof of thisSuperHornet wrote:Good one, houndawg.
My main beefs with this Turlock-inspired protest:
1. It's on company time. If any of US did anything like that, we'd be suspended or canned. Are NFL/MLB players somehow "more equal" than the rest of us?
2. The protest fails to address what they want it to address. The anthem typically honors the military, yet they're trying to shoehorn police brutality into it. That doesn't work, IMHO.
In terms of importance, #1 > #2, but I believe that both are true....This has nothing to do with the military.
Again, show me were it states it honors the military.Gil Dobie wrote:"The Star-Spangled Banner" was recognized for official use by the United States Navy in 1889, and by U.S. President Woodrow Wilson in 1916, and was made the national anthem by a congressional resolution on March 3, 1931 (46 Stat. 1508, codified at 36 U.S.C. § 301), which was signed by President Herbert Hoover. - WIKImrklean wrote:
Show me proof of thisThis has nothing to do with the military.
From Stephen A. Smithmrklean wrote:Again, show me were it states it honors the military.Gil Dobie wrote:
"The Star-Spangled Banner" was recognized for official use by the United States Navy in 1889, and by U.S. President Woodrow Wilson in 1916, and was made the national anthem by a congressional resolution on March 3, 1931 (46 Stat. 1508, codified at 36 U.S.C. § 301), which was signed by President Herbert Hoover. - WIKI
..peacefully and patriotically make your voices heard..
Just kidding around, no personal slight intended. I just happened to notice that you had pulled games from last year to say how things look this year and wanted to yank your chain. And obviously there are plenty of shots of games this year to prove the same point.Baldy wrote:Fake news.GannonFan wrote:
Fake news alert on this one - three of those games didn't even happen this year - the Giants haven't played the Redskins yet, the Bengals weren't at San Fran, and the Titans didn't play the Chargers this year. I didn't check pre-season games but that's a whole different can of worms if you showed pictures from there.
With that said, though, there's no doubt the NFL is experiencing a dip in interest, and certainly some of it can be attributed to backlash against the protests. Certainly not all, though, as all sports have seen some issues of late.
Yeah, because some of the games are from last season makes so much of a difference.![]()
Colts vs. Rams Week 1
Dolphins vs. Chargers Week 2 (30,000 capacity stadium)
Rams vs 49ers Week 2
Feel better now?
GannonFan wrote:Just kidding around, no personal slight intended. I just happened to notice that you had pulled games from last year to say how things look this year and wanted to yank your chain. And obviously there are plenty of shots of games this year to prove the same point.Baldy wrote:
Fake news.
Yeah, because some of the games are from last season makes so much of a difference.![]()
Colts vs. Rams Week 1
Dolphins vs. Chargers Week 2 (30,000 capacity stadium)
Rams vs 49ers Week 2
Feel better now?
That's interesting. Didn't know that. But I'm with kleany on this. I want to see where this "tradition" is supposed to be strictly about the military, and not for general patriotism of our country's values.Gil Dobie wrote:From Stephen A. Smithmrklean wrote: Again, show me were it states it honors the military.
The players were moved to the field during the national anthem because it was seen as a marketing strategy to make the athletes look more patriotic. The United States Department of Defense paid the National Football League $5.4 million between 2011 and 2014, and the National Guard [paid] $6.7 million between 2013 and 2015 to stage on-field patriotic ceremonies as part of military recruitment budget-line items.
Snopes Link
BTW, coincidence that all three games are in Cali?Baldy wrote:GannonFan wrote:
Just kidding around, no personal slight intended. I just happened to notice that you had pulled games from last year to say how things look this year and wanted to yank your chain. And obviously there are plenty of shots of games this year to prove the same point.![]()
Got me. Excellent troll job, GF.![]()