Colin Kaepernick

[mrklean]

Again, show me were it states it honors the military.

From Stephen A. Smith

The players were moved to the field during the national anthem because it was seen as a marketing strategy to make the athletes look more patriotic. The United States Department of Defense paid the National Football League $5.4 million between 2011 and 2014, and the National Guard [paid] $6.7 million between 2013 and 2015 to stage on-field patriotic ceremonies as part of military recruitment budget-line items.

Snopes Link

A true Patriot is not showing respect to a piece of cloth or a song. It's wanting your country to become better. This is what these players want our country to be. ALL MEN AND WOMEN ARE TO BE TREATED EQUAL.

[89Hen]

From Stephen A. Smith

The players were moved to the field during the national anthem because it was seen as a marketing strategy to make the athletes look more patriotic. The United States Department of Defense paid the National Football League $5.4 million between 2011 and 2014, and the National Guard [paid] $6.7 million between 2013 and 2015 to stage on-field patriotic ceremonies as part of military recruitment budget-line items.

Snopes Link

A true Patriot is not showing respect to a piece of cloth or a song. It's wanting your country to become better. This is what these players want our country to be. ALL MEN AND WOMEN ARE TO BE TREATED EQUAL.

Unrelated.

[Gil Dobie]

From Stephen A. Smith

The players were moved to the field during the national anthem because it was seen as a marketing strategy to make the athletes look more patriotic. The United States Department of Defense paid the National Football League $5.4 million between 2011 and 2014, and the National Guard [paid] $6.7 million between 2013 and 2015 to stage on-field patriotic ceremonies as part of military recruitment budget-line items.

Snopes Link

A true Patriot is not showing respect to a piece of cloth or a song. It's wanting your country to become better. This is what these players want our country to be. ALL MEN AND WOMEN ARE TO BE TREATED EQUAL.

I'm not agreeing with anything, just posting what I'm finding about why the players are standing for the anthem.

[mrklean]

A true Patriot is not showing respect to a piece of cloth or a song. It's wanting your country to become better. This is what these players want our country to be. ALL MEN AND WOMEN ARE TO BE TREATED EQUAL.

Unrelated.

BULLSHIT!, it is related.

[89Hen]

BULLSHIT!, it is related.

You should consider running for office Klean. Nobody would be able to keep up with your flip-flopping.

This is not about the flag. Never was. This is about racism in this country in 2017.

As we agreed previously, the two are unrelated.

[mrklean]

BULLSHIT!, it is related.

You should consider running for office Klean. Nobody would be able to keep up with your flip-flopping.

This is not about the flag. Never was. This is about racism in this country in 2017.

As we agreed previously, the two are unrelated.

From day one, this was about Racial inequality in the criminal justice system. When have I've said anything different?

[∞∞∞]

Unrelated.

BULLSHIT!, it is related.

Take solace that people disparaging these protests are always, without fail, on the wrong side of history. And especially on the wrong side of American history.

[89Hen]

BULLSHIT!, it is related.

Take solace that people disparaging these protests are always, without fail, on the wrong side of history. And especially on the wrong side of American history.

[89Hen]

You should consider running for office Klean. Nobody would be able to keep up with your flip-flopping.


As we agreed previously, the two are unrelated.

From day one, this was about Racial inequality in the criminal justice system. When have I've said anything different?

When you said it was related just above.

[Gil Dobie]

BULLSHIT!, it is related.

Take solace that people disparaging these protests are always, without fail, on the wrong side of history. And especially on the wrong side of American history.

The deal with this protest, is many are only reading headlines and looking a meme's. They are into the standing and sitting part of the debate, and the important part, Kaepernicks racial equality issue, is being overlooked, or missed.

[CAA Flagship]

BULLSHIT!, it is related.

Take solace that people disparaging these protests are always, without fail, on the wrong side of history. And especially on the wrong side of American history.

Trip, you are too angry to see what the "disparaging" is all about.
Tell me where a messaging/advertising/marketing campaign that began with pissing people off, the very people you are trying to win over, was successful?

[Skjellyfetti]

The Civil Rights Movement.

Most Americans were against the Freedom Riders, even MLK's March on Washington, etc. Thought it would do more harm than good. Wroooong.

[∞∞∞]

Take solace that people disparaging these protests are always, without fail, on the wrong side of history. And especially on the wrong side of American history.

Tell me where a messaging/advertising/marketing campaign that began with pissing people off, the very people you are trying to win over, was successful?

That's the entire point of a protest; it's disagreeing with something others agree with. The point is to get people out of their comfort zones. It may not help in the immediate future, but it's an investment for change.

[89Hen]

Tell me where a messaging/advertising/marketing campaign that began with pissing people off, the very people you are trying to win over, was successful?

That's the entire point of a protest; it's disagreeing with something others agree with. And it might not help in the immediate future, but it's an investment for change over time.

I think a majority of the people who are upset about the protest aren't upset about WHAT they're protesting for, it's HOW they're protesting. Speak out, go on a speaking tour, donate your money and time... but for 3 minutes, be united.

[mrklean]

That's the entire point of a protest; it's disagreeing with something others agree with. And it might not help in the immediate future, but it's an investment for change over time.

I think a majority of the people who are upset about the protest aren't upset about WHAT they're protesting for, it's HOW they're protesting. Speak out, go on a speaking tour, donate your money and time... but for 3 minutes, be united.

This has never worked in attempt to promote social change n this country.

[89Hen]

I think a majority of the people who are upset about the protest aren't upset about WHAT they're protesting for, it's HOW they're protesting. Speak out, go on a speaking tour, donate your money and time... but for 3 minutes, be united.

This has never worked in attempt to promote social change n this country.

[AZGrizFan]

That's the entire point of a protest; it's disagreeing with something others agree with. And it might not help in the immediate future, but it's an investment for change over time.

I think a majority of the people who are upset about the protest aren't upset about WHAT they're protesting for, it's HOW they're protesting. Speak out, go on a speaking tour, donate your money and time... but for 3 minutes, be united.

I have no problem with their actions. They're causing conversation and debate on a sensitive topic WITHOUT the burning, looting and rioting by other groups allegedly promotion racial equality (I'm looking at YOU, BlackLivesMatters fucksticks). They're not disrespecting the flag, or veterans, or anything of that nature. They're drawing attention to what they perceive as an injustice, in a peaceful way. The way it is supposed to be done.

[CAA Flagship]

Tell me where a messaging/advertising/marketing campaign that began with pissing people off, the very people you are trying to win over, was successful?

That's the entire point of a protest; it's disagreeing with something others agree with. The point is to get people out of their comfort zones. It may not help in the immediate future, but it's an investment for change.

Tell me who is supposed to change, and what are they supposed to change?
Is it police officers, and the way they treat people? Then it's the police training that needs to change. And it would be better if you had as many people as possible helping you call for change. Why piss off the people you want help from? I can't think of an example of where that tactic has worked.

This was a plan that was not completely thought through. CK came up with a way to get the most exposure, but not a way to get the most support. Poor marketing.

[BDKJMU]

If it's not about the flag, why do it during the tribute to the flag You just keep missing the point Klean.

You are the one who is missing the point. For over 6 years, we have seen unarmed black men killed by police and nothing has been done about it. My grandfather who was a WWII Army Combat Vet came back to Georgia and could not vote. Now THIS is a disrespectful to the flag. Paying taxes but now being able to vote is disrespectful to the flag. Letting Police become Judge, Jury and Executioner is very disrespectful to the flag.

About 2500 blacks a year murdered by other blacks:

Almost as many black killed by other blacks as whites (includes hispanics) killed by other whites, despite a population over 6 times as large. And that doesn't even include the thousands/10s of thousands of blacks shot every year by other blacks, mostly young black males shooting other black males.

259 blacks in 2015 were killed by police:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/national ... aaa184e4cc

So for every black killed by police, the overwhelming majority of which were justified, there are about 10 blacks killed by other blacks. Yet when it comes to the epidemic of black on black crime, which is FAR FAR FAR worse than police killing 'unarmed' black men, from the left and these NFL players there is nothing but

[houndawg]

Good one, houndawg.

My main beefs with this Turlock-inspired protest:

1. It's on company time. If any of US did anything like that, we'd be suspended or canned. Are NFL/MLB players somehow "more equal" than the rest of us?

2. The protest fails to address what they want it to address. The anthem typically honors the military, yet they're trying to shoehorn police brutality into it. That doesn't work, IMHO.

In terms of importance, #1 > #2, but I believe that both are true....

Thats just you being unwilling to face the facts so you say it isn't about what the players have said dozens of times it is about.

Company time. What a twit.

[houndawg]

I think a majority of the people who are upset about the protest aren't upset about WHAT they're protesting for, it's HOW they're protesting. Speak out, go on a speaking tour, donate your money and time... but for 3 minutes, be united.

I have no problem with their actions. They're causing conversation and debate on a sensitive topic WITHOUT the burning, looting and rioting by other groups allegedly promotion racial equality (I'm looking at YOU, BlackLivesMatters ****). They're not disrespecting the flag, or veterans, or anything of that nature. They're drawing attention to what they perceive as an injustice, in a peaceful way. The way it is supposed to be done.

You OK, buddy?

[CAA Flagship]

I have no problem with their actions. They're causing conversation and debate on a sensitive topic WITHOUT the burning, looting and rioting by other groups allegedly promotion racial equality (I'm looking at YOU, BlackLivesMatters ****). They're not disrespecting the flag, or veterans, or anything of that nature. They're drawing attention to what they perceive as an injustice, in a peaceful way. The way it is supposed to be done.

You OK, buddy?

It's called compromise. Ever hear of it?

[houndawg]

That's the entire point of a protest; it's disagreeing with something others agree with. And it might not help in the immediate future, but it's an investment for change over time.

I think a majority of the people who are upset about the protest aren't upset about WHAT they're protesting for, it's HOW they're protesting. Speak out, go on a speaking tour, donate your money and time... but for 3 minutes, be united.

I think you got it backwards.

[CAA Flagship]

I think a majority of the people who are upset about the protest aren't upset about WHAT they're protesting for, it's HOW they're protesting. Speak out, go on a speaking tour, donate your money and time... but for 3 minutes, be united.

I think you got it backwards.

Nope. He has it right.

[houndawg]

I think you got it backwards.

Nope. He has it right.

Nope. They refuse to acknowledge what the players are protesting and insist on making it about the troops. Standard tactic for them, attempt change the narrative.