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dbackjon wrote:Bench - for example, for the 5 years I would have considered Rob and I "married" I paid more than $30K in taxes that a married couple would not have.

The lack of stability in a legal relationship puts a strain on the relationship as well.

Not too mention various hassles with insurance, Social security, etc.

Another example. Good friend of mine's partner is from Poland. If he could legally marry, his partner would gain permenant residency, no questions asked. As it is, he came over on a tourist visa, and is now in the country illegally. A heterosexual would not have that issue. Could just get married, and have no further issues.
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dbackjon wrote:Bench - for example, for the 5 years I would have considered Rob and I "married" I paid more than $30K in taxes that a married couple would not have.
And when you and Rob split, had you been married you both would have had to hire an attorney, and I doubt even in a same-sex divorce if the joint assets would have been chopped 50-50 and you both got to keep all of your property obtained as individuals, etc. etc....one of you could have come out of that process far worse than the 30K you didn't pay in taxes. So yeah, I was being kind of flip about it, but the idea of breaking up being a simpler process where I don't have to give the other person shit that belongs to me...why on earth would you screw up that little perk? It ain't the "gay" part that gets me, it's the "marriage" bit I got problems with. Hey, you wanna trade rights? It's not like I'll ever be using mine.
dbackjon wrote:And if that is the case, Dr. Bench, why don't we just eliminate marriage completely? For everyone.
Fantastic idea! You draw up the paperwork, I'll collect the signatures.
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citdog wrote:
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At least he did something to progress human rights in this country. :thumb:
by doing what????? stealing property from the citizens of a foeign country? burning their homes??? leaving them as mere conquered provincies for 80 years?
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dbackjon wrote:Bench - for example, for the 5 years I would have considered Rob and I "married" I paid more than $30K in taxes that a married couple would not have.
And when you and Rob split, had you been married you both would have had to hire an attorney, and I doubt even in a same-sex divorce if the joint assets would have been chopped 50-50 and you both got to keep all of your property obtained as individuals, etc. etc....one of you could have come out of that process far worse than the 30K you didn't pay in taxes. So yeah, I was being kind of flip about it, but the idea of breaking up being a simpler process where I don't have to give the other person shit that belongs to me...why on earth would you screw up that little perk? It ain't the "gay" part that gets me, it's the "marriage" bit I got problems with. Hey, you wanna trade rights? It's not like I'll ever be using mine.
dbackjon wrote:And if that is the case, Dr. Bench, why don't we just eliminate marriage completely? For everyone.
Fantastic idea! You draw up the paperwork, I'll collect the signatures.
I've never agreed with Bench more. I am willing to hand my rights over to you and help in the signature thing all I can.
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Ursus A. Horribilis wrote:
bench wrote:
And when you and Rob split, had you been married you both would have had to hire an attorney, and I doubt even in a same-sex divorce if the joint assets would have been chopped 50-50 and you both got to keep all of your property obtained as individuals, etc. etc....one of you could have come out of that process far worse than the 30K you didn't pay in taxes. So yeah, I was being kind of flip about it, but the idea of breaking up being a simpler process where I don't have to give the other person shit that belongs to me...why on earth would you screw up that little perk? It ain't the "gay" part that gets me, it's the "marriage" bit I got problems with. Hey, you wanna trade rights? It's not like I'll ever be using mine.



Fantastic idea! You draw up the paperwork, I'll collect the signatures.
I've never agreed with Bench more. I am willing to hand my rights over to you and help in the signature thing all I can.
Bench is a smart motherfucker. Word. :nod:
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I'd like to add my name to the petitition! And fast! I am getting some serious outside pressure.
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TwinTownBisonFan wrote:well Jon, maybe the GOP will be "more supportive" of gay rights... hell, they might even acknowledge your right to exist sometime in the next decade (don't hold your breath)

i get some frustration, but what i dont understand is... politically... where you gonna go? you going to abandon the party that's been carrying water for your cause for 20 years?
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What horsecrap.

With the Republicans, the GLBT know where they stand.

Civil unions are ok, so long as they don't include added cost to employers. Period.

Want to call it a marriage. FINE! It just doesn't have the same legal rights as hetero marriage.

No lies. No deception.

Obama in effect is supporting the same, yet equivocates his positions, verbally stroking the GLBT, then stabbing them in the back once they're out of earshot.

So, why should the GLBT consider supporting the conservatives?

Because they know where they stand, and can better effect change outside their traditional (liberal) party whose legacy has become use of dishonesty and cheating to expand their political strength.
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Now this struggle, I don't need to tell you, is incredibly difficult, although I think it's important to consider the extraordinary progress that we have made. There are unjust laws to overturn and unfair practices to stop. And though we've made progress, there are still fellow citizens, perhaps neighbors or even family members and loved ones, who still hold fast to worn arguments and old attitudes; who fail to see your families like their families; and who would deny you the rights that most Americans take for granted. And I know this is painful and I know it can be heartbreaking.
Indeed, that's the story of the movement for fairness and equality -- not just for those who are gay, but for all those in our history who've been denied the rights and responsibilities of citizenship; who've been told that the full blessings and opportunities of this country were closed to them. It's the story of progress sought by those who started off with little influence or power; by men and women who brought about change through quiet, personal acts of compassion and courage and sometimes defiance wherever and whenever they could.
So this story, this struggle, continues today -- for even as we face extraordinary challenges as a nation, we cannot -- and will not -- put aside issues of basic equality. We seek an America in which no one feels the pain of discrimination based on who you are or who you love.

And I know that many in this room don't believe that progress has come fast enough, and I understand that. It's not for me to tell you to be patient, any more than it was for others to counsel patience to African Americans who were petitioning for equal rights a half century ago.

But I say this: We have made progress and we will make more. And I want you to know that I expect and hope to be judged not by words, not by promises I've made, but by the promises that my administration keeps. And by the time you receive -- We've been in office six months now. I suspect that by the time this administration is over, I think you guys will have pretty good feelings about the Obama administration.
I've signed a memorandum requiring all agencies to extend as many federal benefits as possible to LGBT families as current law allows.
I've called on Congress to repeal the so-called Defense of Marriage Act to help end discrimination -- to help end discrimination against same-sex couples in this country. Now, I want to add we have a duty to uphold existing law, but I believe we must do so in a way that does not exacerbate old divides. And fulfilling this duty in upholding the law in no way lessens my commitment to reversing this law. I've made that clear.
I'm also urging Congress to pass the Domestic Partners Benefits and Obligations Act, which will guarantee the full range of benefits, including health care, to LGBT couples and their children. (Applause.) My administration is also working hard to pass an employee non-discrimination bill and hate crimes bill, and we're making progress on both fronts. (Applause.) Judy and Dennis Shepard, as well as their son Logan, are here today. I met with Judy in the Oval Office in May -- (applause) -- and I assured her and I assured all of you that we are going to pass an inclusive hate crimes bill into law, a bill named for their son Matthew.
And finally, I want to say a word about "don't ask, don't tell." As I said before -- I'll say it again -- I believe "don't ask, don't tell" doesn't contribute to our national security. In fact, I believe preventing patriotic Americans from serving their country weakens our national security.

Now, my administration is already working with the Pentagon and members of the House and the Senate on how we'll go about ending this policy, which will require an act of Congress.

Someday, I'm confident, we'll look back at this transition and ask why it generated such angst, but as Commander-in-Chief, in a time of war, I do have a responsibility to see that this change is administered in a practical way and a way that takes over the long term. That's why I've asked the Secretary of Defense and the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff to develop a plan for how to thoroughly implement a repeal.

I know that every day that passes without a resolution is a deep disappointment to those men and women who continue to be discharged under this policy -- patriots who often possess critical language skills and years of training and who've served this country well. But what I hope is that these cases underscore the urgency of reversing this policy not just because it's the right thing to do, but because it is essential for our national security.
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dbackjon wrote:And if that is the case, Dr. Bench, why don't we just eliminate marriage completely? For everyone.
Fantastic idea! You draw up the paperwork, I'll collect the signatures.
If it's retroactive, where do I sign?
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Yes Skjellyfetti. I read the speech. Great. He's given great speeches before promising to be a fierce advocate for GLBT rights.

Now do something about it. Actions, not words.
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dbackjon wrote:Yes Skjellyfetti. I read the speech. Great. He's given great speeches before promising to be a fierce advocate for GLBT rights.

Now do something about it. Actions, not words.
DBack, just stay the course....be vigilant....no need to go nukelar....sorry, wrong guy, my bad.....
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dbackjon wrote:Yes Skjellyfetti. I read the speech. Great. He's given great speeches before promising to be a fierce advocate for GLBT rights.

Now do something about it. Actions, not words.
Has he as President? Has ANY President given such a speech on gay rights before? Granted, yeah, we'd all rather him start shoving through legislation immediately... but, it's not practical. And, it shows that he is NOT abandoning the gay rights community... he's working on it.

He said Robert Gates and Michael Mullen are working on implemeting Don't Ask Don't Tell. It IS going to get overturned...

Yes, it is just a speech... but, if you think a speech by a President outlining positions he is undertaking isn't significant to your cause... you've already given up on him and it's not worth trying to convince you of anything.

Vote for another party if you wish... maybe you will see more action from John Boehner and Sarah Palin (and maybe in less than 6 months!). :roll:
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Nothing is going to happen for years from Obama.
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Skjellyfetti wrote:
dbackjon wrote:Yes Skjellyfetti. I read the speech. Great. He's given great speeches before promising to be a fierce advocate for GLBT rights.

Now do something about it. Actions, not words.
Has he as President? Has ANY President given such a speech on gay rights before? Granted, yeah, we'd all rather him start shoving through legislation immediately... but, it's not practical. And, it shows that he is NOT abandoning the gay rights community... he's working on it.

He said Robert Gates and Michael Mullen are working on implemeting Don't Ask Don't Tell. It IS going to get overturned...

Yes, it is just a speech... but, if you think a speech by a President outlining positions he is undertaking isn't significant to your cause... you've already given up on him and it's not worth trying to convince you of anything.

Vote for another party if you wish... maybe you will see more action from John Boehner and Sarah Palin (and maybe in less than 6 months!). :roll:
Again, great speech. Whether it is ground breaking remains to be seen.

And for you, and TTBF, this speech, and movement are the DIRECT RESULT of us whiny gays throwing hissy fits. Holding his feet to the fire.

If we had followed TTBF's advice, and attended the DNC fundraiser like good sheeple, and kept quiet, this would not have happened. That is why we will remain skeptical until ACTIONS are performed.

Then, I can say good things. I really hope I can.
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bobbythekidd wrote:I'd like to add my name to the petitition! And fast! I am getting some serious outside pressure.
I'll add my name to the petition
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