The Trump Whistleblower Extravaganza Thread

[Ibanez]

I agree. But, impeachment is political. There's no escaping it. It's what we're stuck with.

Maybe decent alternative would be for the House to file an impeachment complaint to the Chief Justice or SCTUS to open an investigation and he /they decide whether to appoint a special prosecutor to impanel a Grand Jury behind closed doors. Would require an amendment, of course... but, just spitballing.

Or maybe the House could get to work and pass USMCA and other legislation that might benefit the American people and let the D presidential candidate campaign against Trump's alleged corruption and let the voters decide whether or not to kick him out of office.

There’s no reason why USMCA can’t be ratified right now. The Dems are wasting time by not walking and chewing gum at the same time.


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[Ibanez]

You’re just being obtuse and obviously ignorant how our impeachment process works. What part of “senate trial” do you either not know or understand?

And saying she couldn’t have been intimated is pretty fucking stupid and ignorant. Does that mean I can rob you as long as you aren’t aware of it? Please, remove your head from your ass and be objective.




And yes - I have been drinking


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Pussy

I guess you are what you eat.


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[UNI88]

There was a time when Federal employees could use private e mail as much as they wanted to. That started to change about the time that Clinton's private e mail server thing happened. In one sense I agree that it was a stupid move and it was associated with a desire to hide things. But in another sense I think it's understandable that she thought she could get by OK with i.

Sorry John, I don't trust you on this one. I'll buy it if CID and Ibanez backup what you're saying but I think you're spinning things. You're blind hatred for Trump is no better than a deplorable's blind support.

[CAA Flagship]

There was a time when Federal employees could use private e mail as much as they wanted to. That started to change about the time that Clinton's private e mail server thing happened. In one sense I agree that it was a stupid move and it was associated with a desire to hide things. But in another sense I think it's understandable that she thought she could get by OK with i.

Sorry John, I don't trust you on this one. I'll buy it if CID and Ibanez backup what you're saying but I think you're spinning things. You're blind hatred for Trump is no better than a deplorable's blind support.

You can hate the man.
You can hate the people that like the man.
But don't hate the people that like the man's policies.

[Ibanez]

The problem with Johns comment is that is OUTDATED!! We used to use the last 4 of your SSN for a password....the the internet happened and that sort of security was no longer acceptable. Johns logic has an inherent fallacy.


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[Ibanez]

Agree 100%


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[Ivytalk]

Good point. The Dems need to show that they’re actually getting something done.

https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-mete ... peachment/

House members have passed or agreed to 389 bills and 151 resolutions since January, when Democrats took control. But McConnell has left many untouched in the GOP-led Senate, having vowed to block their progressive policies as the "grim reaper" to their bills on issues such as election security and background checks.

It's not that they haven't been doing anything else. It's that we have divided government.

At this point in history what we need is to get the Republicans out of the way. Eliminate the Republican Party as a factor and the country will progress.

Then maybe we can talk about forming a conservative Party that has some semblance of integrity and go from there.

Bullshit. By then, the progtard train will have left the station. And you’ll be on it.

Moreover, a close look at your beloved Politifact article shows that four times as many bills became law when there was “divided government” under Obama, when the GOP controlled the House and the Donks had the Senate.

[UNI88]

The problem with Johns comment is that is OUTDATED!! We used to use the last 4 of your SSN for a password....the the internet happened and that sort of security was no longer acceptable. Johns logic has an inherent fallacy.

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How outdated? Hillary was SOS from 09-12/13. The federal government should have been long past allowing private email use by 09.

I was working for a small company at that time that hosted e-mail on it's own server and it would go down occasionally. I would work from home when it did and use my personal e-mail address for time sensitive communications. It wasn't ideal but we were a small company with limited resources. I always copied my work e-mail address so that a record was kept of all communications. It's common sense and Hillary and her staff were way too smart not to know what they were doing. To think otherwise is just as blindly partisan, or as John put it stupid, as people thinking Trump was just fighting corruption when he asked for quid pro quo with Ukraine on the Bidens.

And Chizzy, I'm not bringing this up for a "but Hillary" comment but because it's ironic and fascinating how alike the two sides are.

[UNI88]

Sorry John, I don't trust you on this one. I'll buy it if CID and Ibanez backup what you're saying but I think you're spinning things. You're blind hatred for Trump is no better than a deplorable's blind support.

You can hate the man.
You can hate the people that like the man.
But don't hate the people that like the man's policies.

Liking the man's policies doesn't mean you blindly support the man so you're not really a deplorable.

[Ibanez]

The problem with Johns comment is that is OUTDATED!! We used to use the last 4 of your SSN for a password....the the internet happened and that sort of security was no longer acceptable. Johns logic has an inherent fallacy.

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How outdated? Hillary was SOS from 09-12/13. The federal government should have been long past allowing private email use by 09.

I was working for a small company at that time that hosted e-mail on it's own server and it would go down occasionally. I would work from home when it did and use my personal e-mail address for time sensitive communications. It wasn't ideal but we were a small company with limited resources. I always copied my work e-mail address so that a record was kept of all communications. It's common sense and Hillary and her staff were way too smart not to know what they were doing. To think otherwise is just as blindly partisan, or as John put it stupid, as people thinking Trump was just fighting corruption when he asked for quid pro quo with Ukraine on the Bidens.

And Chizzy, I'm not bringing this up for a "but Hillary" comment but because it's ironic and fascinating how alike the two sides are.

IIRC, the regulations began change during the W Administration.




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[BDKJMU]

Yep. Donks point out right and left that impeachment isn’t a criminal proceeding. Then how can Trump’s tweet be obstruction of justice if it’s not a criminal proceeding?

And Trump tweeted as she was giving her deposition, so unless she was on literally on twitter at the same time she was giving her deposition, she couldn’t have been intimidated...

You’re just being obtuse and obviously ignorant how our impeachment process works. What part of “senate trial” do you either not know or understand?

And saying she couldn’t have been intimated is pretty fucking stupid and ignorant. Does that mean I can rob you as long as you aren’t aware of it? Please, remove your head from your ass and be objective.

And yes - I have been drinking


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We’re not at a Senate trial yet.

Trump’s tweet:

Everywhere Marie Yovanovitch went turned bad. She started off in Somalia, how did that go? Then fast forward to Ukraine, where the new Ukrainian President spoke unfavorably about her in my second phone call with him. It is a U.S. President’s absolute right to appoint ambassadors.

You think that’s somehow intimidating? Take your skirt off and don’t be such a puss.

And set down the bottle..

[kalm]

I agree. But, impeachment is political. There's no escaping it. It's what we're stuck with.

Maybe decent alternative would be for the House to file an impeachment complaint to the Chief Justice or SCTUS to open an investigation and he /they decide whether to appoint a special prosecutor to impanel a Grand Jury behind closed doors. Would require an amendment, of course... but, just spitballing.

Or maybe the House could get to work and pass USMCA and other legislation that might benefit the American people and let the D presidential candidate campaign against Trump's alleged corruption and let the voters decide whether or not to kick him out of office.

I’m sorry but that’s complete and utter bullshit and obfuscation.

No one is above the law. Trump, Biden, Hillary...whoever.

Shame on you and Ivy... you’re two of the posters I most respect on this board.

[HI54UNI]

Good point. The Dems need to show that they’re actually getting something done.

https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-mete ... peachment/

House members have passed or agreed to 389 bills and 151 resolutions since January, when Democrats took control. But McConnell has left many untouched in the GOP-led Senate, having vowed to block their progressive policies as the "grim reaper" to their bills on issues such as election security and background checks.

It's not that they haven't been doing anything else. It's that we have divided government.

At this point in history what we need is to get the Republicans out of the way. Eliminate the Republican Party as a factor and the country will progress.

Then maybe we can talk about forming a conservative Party that has some semblance of integrity and go from there.

Quantity does not mean quality.

[HI54UNI]

Or maybe the House could get to work and pass USMCA and other legislation that might benefit the American people and let the D presidential candidate campaign against Trump's alleged corruption and let the voters decide whether or not to kick him out of office.

I’m sorry but that’s complete and utter bullshit and obfuscation.

No one is above the law. Trump, Biden, Hillary...whoever.

Shame on you and Ivy... you’re two of the posters I most respect on this board.

Trump's a fuckup. If he's done something criminal go ahead and impeach him. But Congress is absolutely worthless. We're $23 trillion in debt. We're on a stop gap spending agreement because they can't pass a budget. And yet this is all they can focus on. This whole thing is bullshit and everybody knows it. Have the damn vote. Impeach him. Move it to the Senate where we all know it will die. Could have the whole thing over in 2 days and they could get to something real. But they have to drag it out it out so the fools keep voting for them.

[CID1990]

Almost as stupid as someone believing that Hillary didn't know that she couldn't use a private email server or that her motivation was benign.

BRAWKKKKKK!

I don't think her motivation was benign but I think it's close to self evident that she didn't know she could use a private e mail server. I also am somewhat familiar with what was going on at that time with respect to Federal rules on that sort of thing and I think we as a country were in transition.

It has already been well established here that you are completely delusional on this matter.


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[Ivytalk]

Or maybe the House could get to work and pass USMCA and other legislation that might benefit the American people and let the D presidential candidate campaign against Trump's alleged corruption and let the voters decide whether or not to kick him out of office.

I’m sorry but that’s complete and utter bullshit and obfuscation.

No one is above the law. Trump, Biden, Hillary...whoever.

Shame on you and Ivy... you’re two of the posters I most respect on this board.

Again, you miss the point. I’m not arguing that the Donks should drop impeachment altogether to get other legislative work done. The sooner that Schiffty process moves through the House plumbing and out the Senate’s septic system, the better. I’m suggesting that they multitask. It’s what we pay those bozos for. Stop being so sanctimonious.

[Ivytalk]

They ought to run impeachment like good judges run civil trials. The process is set for a fixed number of days, and each side gets 50% of the time — down to the minute. If you’re in the midst of a line of questioning and your side runs out of time, tough titties for you.

[Ibanez]

You’re just being obtuse and obviously ignorant how our impeachment process works. What part of “senate trial” do you either not know or understand?

And saying she couldn’t have been intimated is pretty fucking stupid and ignorant. Does that mean I can rob you as long as you aren’t aware of it? Please, remove your head from your ass and be objective.

And yes - I have been drinking


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We’re not at a Senate trial yet.

Trump’s tweet:

Everywhere Marie Yovanovitch went turned bad. She started off in Somalia, how did that go? Then fast forward to Ukraine, where the new Ukrainian President spoke unfavorably about her in my second phone call with him. It is a U.S. President’s absolute right to appoint ambassadors.

You think that’s somehow intimidating? Take your skirt off and don’t be such a puss.

And set down the bottle..

It’s still clear you don’t understand what’s going on.

You’re such a lemming. Think for yourself, because Fox isn’t doing you any favors.


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[Ibanez]

They ought to run impeachment like good judges run civil trials. The process is set for a fixed number of days, and each side gets 50% of the time — down to the minute. If you’re in the midst of a line of questioning and your side runs out of time, tough titties for you.

I like this idea.


Also - I like how the UK campaigns. It’s short and sweet.


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[kalm]

They ought to run impeachment like good judges run civil trials. The process is set for a fixed number of days, and each side gets 50% of the time — down to the minute. If you’re in the midst of a line of questioning and your side runs out of time, tough titties for you.

Hold my beer.

[SDHornet]

Nixon and Clinton's articles of impeachment both included obstruction of justice for impeding the impeachment investigation against them. You're really reaching.v

I'm sure they wish they could have freely intimidated witnesses. Imagine...

Both sides are reaching.

I'm with Ibanez, this deserves a fair hearing. The problem is that I don't think the Donks want a fair hearing any more than Trump wants any hearing.

Well when the donk leader of the House thinks innocents needs to be proven, you know this thing has gone off the rails:

Yeah, that's not how any of this works.

[SDHornet]

Meanwhile, on Wall St...

Dow 28,000+
S&P 3120+
Nasdaq 8540+

A record for you, and a record for you, and a record for you too! The only thing that can stop this is a Democrat in the White House.

This. I’m up 14% this year and just rebalanced my portfolio


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I'm just a couple tenths below that. Life is good...

...no check that, life is great.

[SDHornet]

I’m sorry but that’s complete and utter bullshit and obfuscation.

No one is above the law. Trump, Biden, Hillary...whoever.

Shame on you and Ivy... you’re two of the posters I most respect on this board.

Trump's a fuckup. If he's done something criminal go ahead and impeach him. But Congress is absolutely worthless. We're $23 trillion in debt. We're on a stop gap spending agreement because they can't pass a budget. And yet this is all they can focus on. This whole thing is bullshit and everybody knows it. Have the damn vote. Impeach him. Move it to the Senate where we all know it will die. Could have the whole thing over in 2 days and they could get to something real. But they have to drag it out it out so the fools keep voting for them.

This.

[93henfan]

Both sides are reaching.

I'm with Ibanez, this deserves a fair hearing. The problem is that I don't think the Donks want a fair hearing any more than Trump wants any hearing.

Well when the donk leader of the House thinks innocents needs to be proven, you know this thing has gone off the rails:

Yeah, that's not how any of this works.

She is way, way off her rocker. Her and Joe. Could you imagine those two running things in 14 months? God help us.

[93henfan]

More Dem nuttiness. Not only must the accused prove their innocence, but apparently hearsay is much better than direct evidence. You can't make this stuff up: