Looting

[kalm]

Time to turn in your capitalism card.

1. Fed Bailed Out the Investor Class: “Thanks to this massive government subsidy, large companies like Boeing and Carnival Cruises were able to avoid taking money directly — and sidestep requirements to keep employees on.”

2. Millionaires To Reap 80% of Benefit From Tax Change In Coronavirus Stimulus: “The change — which alters what certain business owners are allowed to deduct from their taxes — will allow some of the nation’s wealthiest to avoid nearly $82 billion of tax liability in 2020.”

3. Stealth Bailout’ Shovels Millions of Dollars to Oil Companies: “A provision of the $2.2 trillion stimulus law gives (companies) more latitude to deduct recent losses… The change wasn’t aimed only at the oil industry. However, its structure uniquely benefits energy companies that were raking in record profits.”

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“In this Orwellian era, working-class people pilfering convenience store goods is called “looting,” while rich people stealing hundreds of billions of dollars is deemed good “public policy”—David Sirota

https://billmoyers.com/story/david-sirota/

[UNI88]

Time to turn in your capitalism card.

1. Fed Bailed Out the Investor Class: “Thanks to this massive government subsidy, large companies like Boeing and Carnival Cruises were able to avoid taking money directly — and sidestep requirements to keep employees on.”

2. Millionaires To Reap 80% of Benefit From Tax Change In Coronavirus Stimulus: “The change — which alters what certain business owners are allowed to deduct from their taxes — will allow some of the nation’s wealthiest to avoid nearly $82 billion of tax liability in 2020.”

3. Stealth Bailout’ Shovels Millions of Dollars to Oil Companies: “A provision of the $2.2 trillion stimulus law gives (companies) more latitude to deduct recent losses… The change wasn’t aimed only at the oil industry. However, its structure uniquely benefits energy companies that were raking in record profits.”

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“In this Orwellian era, working-class people pilfering convenience store goods is called “looting,” while rich people stealing hundreds of billions of dollars is deemed good “public policy”—David Sirota

https://billmoyers.com/story/david-sirota/

They're both looting and for the record ...

From March 27

We're going to end up regretting rushing into this rather than taking a little more time to make this help the people who need it most.

And April 7

This is one of the many reasons that I said Congress was rushing into the bailout and not putting the time they should have into designing a program that would help individuals and companies that really need it. They threw money at everyone rather than focusing it on problem areas.

[Chizzang]

show me even one example of a national / Global tragedy or crisis
where the American congress and our entire political system didn't use the crisis to enrich themselves first and then their private investors

just one crisis where this didn't happen

[UNI88]

show me even one example of a national / Global tragedy or crisis
where the American congress and our entire political system didn't use the crisis to enrich themselves first and then their private investors

just one crisis where this didn't happen

[AZGrizFan]

show me even one example of a national / Global tragedy or crisis
where the American congress and our entire political system didn't use the crisis to enrich themselves first and then their private investors

just one crisis where this didn't happen

Trip disagrees.

[∞∞∞]

Trip disagrees.

Yup.

[UNI88]

Trip disagrees.

Yup.

Here's your Mt. Rushmore ...

[∞∞∞]

I respect Marx. His only "crime" is being a philosopher whose ideas gained traction.

The rest can burn in hell.

If I were to choose Mt. Rushmore, it'd consist of Harriet Tubman, Clara Barton, Susan B. Anthony, and MLK.

[AZGrizFan]

Trip disagrees.

Yup.

Well you’re nothing if not predictable.

[kalm]

show me even one example of a national / Global tragedy or crisis
where the American congress and our entire political system didn't use the crisis to enrich themselves first and then their private investors

just one crisis where this didn't happen

Wasn’t a tragedy or a crisis.

[UNI88]

Wasn’t a tragedy or a crisis.

How do you define crisis?

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[89Hen]

I respect Marx. His only "crime" is being a philosopher whose ideas gained traction.

The rest can burn in hell.

If I were to choose Mt. Rushmore, it'd consist of Harriet Tubman, Clara Barton, Susan B. Anthony, and MLK.

[kalm]

Wasn’t a tragedy or a crisis.

How do you define crisis?

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An 18-20 year cyclical span or saeculum...of course.

Duh.

[ALPHAGRIZ1]

I respect Marx. His only "crime" is being a philosopher whose ideas gained traction.

The rest can burn in hell.

If I were to choose Mt. Rushmore, it'd consist of Harriet Tubman, Clara Barton, Susan B. Anthony, and MLK.

A woman beater and 3 lesbians, you are woke

[Ibanez]

I respect Marx. His only "crime" is being a philosopher whose ideas gained traction.

The rest can burn in hell.

If I were to choose Mt. Rushmore, it'd consist of Harriet Tubman, Clara Barton, Susan B. Anthony, and MLK.

Interesting that his theories exist in countries that stamp down liberties.

[Chizzang]

I respect Marx. His only "crime" is being a philosopher whose ideas gained traction.

The rest can burn in hell.

If I were to choose Mt. Rushmore, it'd consist of Harriet Tubman, Clara Barton, Susan B. Anthony, and MLK.

Interesting that his theories exist in countries that stamp down liberties.

are you living in some kind of vacuum right now ibanez..?
Liberties are getting "stamped down" right here

[Ibanez]

Interesting that his theories exist in countries that stamp down liberties.

are you living in some kind of vacuum right now ibanez..?
Liberties are getting "stamped down" right here

I know they are. But he advocates for a form of government that would do exactly what is happening now. There's no utopia possible.

[UNI88]

Interesting that his theories exist in countries that stamp down liberties.

are you living in some kind of vacuum right now ibanez..?
Liberties are getting "stamped down" right here

Which liberties are being stamped down? To what extent are they being stamped down? And how does the stamping compare to the stamping in socialist/communist countries such as Cuba, the USSR, etc.?

[ALPHAGRIZ1]

Nothing is being stamped down unless you are a white man in the USA then you are fair game. Everyone else is overflowing with liberty.

[Chizzang]

are you living in some kind of vacuum right now ibanez..?
Liberties are getting "stamped down" right here

Which liberties are being stamped down? To what extent are they being stamped down? And how does the stamping compare to the stamping in socialist/communist countries such as Cuba, the USSR, etc.?

Too stupid to even respond to
I appreciate your "centrist" rhetorical game but still too stupid to even respond to

[UNI88]

Which liberties are being stamped down? To what extent are they being stamped down? And how does the stamping compare to the stamping in socialist/communist countries such as Cuba, the USSR, etc.?

Too stupid to even respond to
I appreciate your "centrist" rhetorical game but still too stupid to even respond to

It's not that I disagree that liberties are being stamped down, I do think they're being trampled. I'm just curious which ones you think are being stamped down. I'm also curious about how serious you think the problem is in general and in comparison to other countries' and our own past. You can choose to inform me or call me stupid. No skin off my back either way.

[Chizzang]

Too stupid to even respond to
I appreciate your "centrist" rhetorical game but still too stupid to even respond to

It's not that I disagree that liberties are being stamped down, I do think they're being trampled. I'm just curious which ones you think are being stamped down. I'm also curious about how serious you think the problem is in general and in comparison to other countries' and our own past. You can choose to inform me or call me stupid. No skin off my back either way.

well that's ^ certainly worthy of a serious response
but instead I think I'll lean a different direction and go with - American is perfect - no improvements can be made



you win

[UNI88]

It's not that I disagree that liberties are being stamped down, I do think they're being trampled. I'm just curious which ones you think are being stamped down. I'm also curious about how serious you think the problem is in general and in comparison to other countries' and our own past. You can choose to inform me or call me stupid. No skin off my back either way.

well that's ^ certainly worthy of a serious response
but instead I think I'll lean a different direction and go with - American is perfect - no improvements can be made



you win

I don't want to win. I want to debate and expand my understanding. I'll give my thoughts. You can agree with them, dispute them or ignore/dismiss them.

America isn't and has never been perfect. It's always been a work in progress and there have been steps forward and backward from the beginning. Unfortunately, we're currently in the midst of a step backward.

Liberties that are being stamped - due process, freedom of the press and freedom of assembly to name a few.

How serious is the problem - George Floyd's death was tragic as is the suspicion and fear of death that African Americans live under but assault by another civilian is a significantly greater cause of death for African Americans. If we really want to save lives we should work on improving poverty and reducing gang violence. What is going on now fans the flames of disrespect and distrust. We're going to have a hard time fixing the problems that way. We could really use an MLK Jr type figure to provide the voice of hope and reason.

That suspicion and fear of death that African Americans live under is bad but it is also better than it was in the 50's/60's and prior. We need to remember that we have made progress and have hope that we can continue to make progress despite setbacks.

[Chizzang]

well that's ^ certainly worthy of a serious response
but instead I think I'll lean a different direction and go with - American is perfect - no improvements can be made



you win

I don't want to win. I want to debate and expand my understanding. I'll give my thoughts. You can agree with them, dispute them or ignore/dismiss them.

America isn't and has never been perfect. It's always been a work in progress and there have been steps forward and backward from the beginning. Unfortunately, we're currently in the midst of a step backward.

Liberties that are being stamped - due process, freedom of the press and freedom of assembly to name a few.

How serious is the problem - George Floyd's death was tragic as is the suspicion and fear of death that African Americans live under but assault by another civilian is a significantly greater cause of death for African Americans. If we really want to save lives we should work on improving poverty and reducing gang violence. What is going on now fans the flames of disrespect and distrust. We're going to have a hard time fixing the problems that way. We could really use an MLK Jr type figure to provide the voice of hope and reason.

That suspicion and fear of death that African Americans live under is bad but it is also better than it was in the 50's/60's and prior. We need to remember that we have made progress and have hope that we can continue to make progress despite setbacks.

[mainejeff]

On the subject of looting.....The Trump family & most of Congress should be in prison.