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Skjellyfetti wrote: Wed Jun 23, 2021 12:13 pm i guess brian kemp won fulton co in 2018 then? or is it not so simple?
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ok. since you think that makes a difference:

i guess donald trump won fulton co in 2016?
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Skjellyfetti wrote: Wed Jun 23, 2021 1:39 pm ok. since you think that makes a difference:

i guess donald trump won fulton co in 2016?
I do think that makes a difference. Dems pulled out all the stops to make sure he didn't repeat. Any other questions?
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AZGrizFan wrote: Wed Jun 23, 2021 1:42 pm
Skjellyfetti wrote: Wed Jun 23, 2021 1:39 pm ok. since you think that makes a difference:

i guess donald trump won fulton co in 2016?
I do think that makes a difference. Dems pulled out all the stops to make sure he didn't repeat. Any other questions?
Do we really want a president that's not smart enough, not clever enough to outfox the Democrats? :lol:
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Ibanez wrote: Wed Jun 23, 2021 2:36 pm
AZGrizFan wrote: Wed Jun 23, 2021 1:42 pm

I do think that makes a difference. Dems pulled out all the stops to make sure he didn't repeat. Any other questions?
Do we really want a president that's not smart enough, not clever enough to outfox the Democrats? :lol:
I like your joke, but we all know it wasn't just Dems. It also included RINOs, Blackrock and Vanguard.
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SeattleGriz wrote: Wed Jun 23, 2021 2:49 pm
Ibanez wrote: Wed Jun 23, 2021 2:36 pm
Do we really want a president that's not smart enough, not clever enough to outfox the Democrats? :lol:
I like your joke, but we all know it wasn't just Dems. It also included RINOs, Blackrock and Vanguard.
Anyone who wasn't clever enough to outfox those losers must be an even bigger loser, the loser of all losers. How did we ever elect such a colossal loser as POTUS?
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UNI88 wrote: Wed Jun 23, 2021 3:10 pm
SeattleGriz wrote: Wed Jun 23, 2021 2:49 pm

I like your joke, but we all know it wasn't just Dems. It also included RINOs, Blackrock and Vanguard.
Anyone who wasn't clever enough to outfox those losers must be an even bigger loser, the loser of all losers. How did we ever elect such a colossal loser as POTUS?
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kalm wrote: Wed Jun 23, 2021 3:25 pm
UNI88 wrote: Wed Jun 23, 2021 3:10 pm
Anyone who wasn't clever enough to outfox those losers must be an even bigger loser, the loser of all losers. How did we ever elect such a colossal loser as POTUS?
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I wish Trump were more likable, but he was better on policy than Biden by a factor of 100 and I can only assume the same with Hillary. Although, she may have had more balls/brains left than Biden to not bow down to the far left.

Trump > Hillary > Biden in that respect.
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89Hen wrote: Wed Jun 23, 2021 3:58 pm I wish Trump were more likable, but he was better on policy than Biden by a factor of 100 and I can only assume the same with Hillary. Although, she may have had more balls/brains left than Biden to not bow down to the far left.

Trump > Hillary > Biden in that respect.
You should really like Desantis then. He’s Trump (from a policy standpoint) but much more polished and professional.
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AZGrizFan wrote: Wed Jun 23, 2021 5:26 pm
89Hen wrote: Wed Jun 23, 2021 3:58 pm I wish Trump were more likable, but he was better on policy than Biden by a factor of 100 and I can only assume the same with Hillary. Although, she may have had more balls/brains left than Biden to not bow down to the far left.

Trump > Hillary > Biden in that respect.
You should really like Desantis then. He’s Trump (from a policy standpoint) but much more polished and professional.
Will he try to decouple from Trump?
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AZGrizFan wrote: Wed Jun 23, 2021 5:26 pm
89Hen wrote: Wed Jun 23, 2021 3:58 pm I wish Trump were more likable, but he was better on policy than Biden by a factor of 100 and I can only assume the same with Hillary. Although, she may have had more balls/brains left than Biden to not bow down to the far left.

Trump > Hillary > Biden in that respect.
You should really like Desantis then. He’s Trump (from a policy standpoint) but much more polished and professional.
Yep.

-Combativeness of Trump.
-Trolls the left almost as well as Trump.
-Logical background of a Harvard law grad.
-Governance skills in one of largest, most difficult states to run
-Good public speaker.
-Military vet.
-Smoking hot wife.
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kalm wrote: Wed Jun 23, 2021 6:07 pm
AZGrizFan wrote: Wed Jun 23, 2021 5:26 pm

You should really like Desantis then. He’s Trump (from a policy standpoint) but much more polished and professional.
Will he try to decouple from Trump?
He doesn’t have to. He’s Trump without the mean tweets and snarkiness. Most Trump supporters that held their noses and pulled the lever for him only did it because they could look past those glaring personality flaws and voted for policies. Now we don’t have to do that. Nor do those who changed their minds and decided to vote Biden because they didn’t “like” Trump after having voted for him in ‘16.

Best case scenario: Bumbling Joe is deemed unfit, the Empty suit Kamala becomes president, fucks things up for a couple years and DeSantis can come riding in to the rescue.
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BDKJMU wrote: Wed Jun 23, 2021 8:15 pm
AZGrizFan wrote: Wed Jun 23, 2021 5:26 pm

You should really like Desantis then. He’s Trump (from a policy standpoint) but much more polished and professional.
Yep.

-Combativeness of Trump.
-Trolls the left almost as well as Trump.
-Logical background of a Harvard law grad.
-Governance skills in one of largest, most difficult states to run
-Good public speaker.
-Military vet.
-Smoking hot wife.
If you want a a POTUS that's difficult with people and acts likes a Twitter troll, then I guess your set. His governing and military experience (even though he was JAG not a warfighter) are critical, IMO. I know nothing of him aside from his association with Trump (and that's a red flag, for me).

Aside from seeing his name in the press, i'm not sure what's so special about him.


His wife and her appearance don't matter. That's just superficial crap (but she is a looker and a CofC grad.)
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AZGrizFan wrote: Wed Jun 23, 2021 8:53 pm
kalm wrote: Wed Jun 23, 2021 6:07 pm

Will he try to decouple from Trump?
He doesn’t have to. He’s Trump without the mean tweets and snarkiness. Most Trump supporters that held their noses and pulled the lever for him only did it because they could look past those glaring personality flaws and voted for policies. Now we don’t have to do that. Nor do those who changed their minds and decided to vote Biden because they didn’t “like” Trump after having voted for him in ‘16.

Best case scenario: Bumbling Joe is deemed unfit, the Empty suit Kamala becomes president, fucks things up for a couple years and DeSantis can come riding in to the rescue.
So association as a Trump ally isn’t a negative?
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AZGrizFan wrote: Wed Jun 23, 2021 8:53 pm
kalm wrote: Wed Jun 23, 2021 6:07 pm

Will he try to decouple from Trump?
He doesn’t have to. He’s Trump without the mean tweets and snarkiness. Most Trump supporters that held their noses and pulled the lever for him only did it because they could look past those glaring personality flaws and voted for policies. Now we don’t have to do that. Nor do those who changed their minds and decided to vote Biden because they didn’t “like” Trump after having voted for him in ‘16.

Best case scenario: Bumbling Joe is deemed unfit, the Empty suit Kamala becomes president, fucks things up for a couple years and DeSantis can come riding in to the rescue.
That's your best case scenario?! Someone fucking things up? :lol: :suspicious:
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kalm wrote: Thu Jun 24, 2021 6:04 am
AZGrizFan wrote: Wed Jun 23, 2021 8:53 pm
He doesn’t have to. He’s Trump without the mean tweets and snarkiness. Most Trump supporters that held their noses and pulled the lever for him only did it because they could look past those glaring personality flaws and voted for policies. Now we don’t have to do that. Nor do those who changed their minds and decided to vote Biden because they didn’t “like” Trump after having voted for him in ‘16.

Best case scenario: Bumbling Joe is deemed unfit, the Empty suit Kamala becomes president, fucks things up for a couple years and DeSantis can come riding in to the rescue.
So association as a Trump ally isn’t a negative?
I think it's almost a requirement. To win the Conk nomination a candidate needs the support of Trumpers. To win the general election a candidate needs to be able to convince enough middle-of-the-road voters that he or she is a reasonable person and not an unstable bully like Trump.
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UNI88 wrote: Thu Jun 24, 2021 6:36 am
kalm wrote: Thu Jun 24, 2021 6:04 am

So association as a Trump ally isn’t a negative?
I think it's almost a requirement. To win the Conk nomination a candidate needs the support of Trumpers. To win the general election a candidate needs to be able to convince enough middle-of-the-road voters that he or she is a reasonable person and not an unstable bully like Trump.
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Ibanez wrote: Thu Jun 24, 2021 6:14 am
AZGrizFan wrote: Wed Jun 23, 2021 8:53 pm

He doesn’t have to. He’s Trump without the mean tweets and snarkiness. Most Trump supporters that held their noses and pulled the lever for him only did it because they could look past those glaring personality flaws and voted for policies. Now we don’t have to do that. Nor do those who changed their minds and decided to vote Biden because they didn’t “like” Trump after having voted for him in ‘16.

Best case scenario: Bumbling Joe is deemed unfit, the Empty suit Kamala becomes president, fucks things up for a couple years and DeSantis can come riding in to the rescue.
That's your best case scenario?! Someone fucking things up? :lol: :suspicious:
Not that I WANT that, but that's what I expect to happen. And if it comes to pass, he will wipe the floor with her. :nod: :nod: :nod:
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AZGrizFan wrote: Thu Jun 24, 2021 7:22 am
Ibanez wrote: Thu Jun 24, 2021 6:14 am
That's your best case scenario?! Someone fucking things up? :lol: :suspicious:
Not that I WANT that, but that's what I expect to happen. And if it comes to pass, he will wipe the floor with her. :nod: :nod: :nod:
I dunno....you guys said Trump would wipe the floor with Biden. That didn't really pan out.
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Ibanez wrote: Thu Jun 24, 2021 6:14 am
AZGrizFan wrote: Wed Jun 23, 2021 8:53 pm

He doesn’t have to. He’s Trump without the mean tweets and snarkiness. Most Trump supporters that held their noses and pulled the lever for him only did it because they could look past those glaring personality flaws and voted for policies. Now we don’t have to do that. Nor do those who changed their minds and decided to vote Biden because they didn’t “like” Trump after having voted for him in ‘16.

Best case scenario: Bumbling Joe is deemed unfit, the Empty suit Kamala becomes president, fucks things up for a couple years and DeSantis can come riding in to the rescue.
That's your best case scenario?! Someone fucking things up? :lol: :suspicious:
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AZGrizFan wrote: Wed Jun 23, 2021 8:53 pm
kalm wrote: Wed Jun 23, 2021 6:07 pm

Will he try to decouple from Trump?
He doesn’t have to. He’s Trump without the mean tweets and snarkiness. Most Trump supporters that held their noses and pulled the lever for him only did it because they could look past those glaring personality flaws and voted for policies. Now we don’t have to do that. Nor do those who changed their minds and decided to vote Biden because they didn’t “like” Trump after having voted for him in ‘16.

Best case scenario: Bumbling Joe is deemed unfit, the Empty suit Kamala becomes president, fucks things up for a couple years and DeSantis can come riding in to the rescue.
Pretty much this. Desantis has to seriously fuck up to not be the front runner in '24. Even better would be if Trump serve as "hypeman" for his run. The Leftist/msm outrage will be delicious.
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Ibanez wrote: Thu Jun 24, 2021 7:31 am
AZGrizFan wrote: Thu Jun 24, 2021 7:22 am

Not that I WANT that, but that's what I expect to happen. And if it comes to pass, he will wipe the floor with her. :nod: :nod: :nod:
I dunno....you guys said Trump would wipe the floor with Biden. That didn't really pan out.
That's because people got their feelers hurt. Trump was a meanie.
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SDHornet wrote: Thu Jun 24, 2021 7:38 am
AZGrizFan wrote: Wed Jun 23, 2021 8:53 pm

He doesn’t have to. He’s Trump without the mean tweets and snarkiness. Most Trump supporters that held their noses and pulled the lever for him only did it because they could look past those glaring personality flaws and voted for policies. Now we don’t have to do that. Nor do those who changed their minds and decided to vote Biden because they didn’t “like” Trump after having voted for him in ‘16.

Best case scenario: Bumbling Joe is deemed unfit, the Empty suit Kamala becomes president, fucks things up for a couple years and DeSantis can come riding in to the rescue.
Pretty much this. Desantis has to seriously fuck up to not be the front runner in '24. Even better would be if Trump serve as "hypeman" for his run. The Leftist/msm outrage will be delicious.
Will Trump’s ego allow him to play second fiddle?
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kalm wrote: Thu Jun 24, 2021 7:41 am
SDHornet wrote: Thu Jun 24, 2021 7:38 am

Pretty much this. Desantis has to seriously fuck up to not be the front runner in '24. Even better would be if Trump serve as "hypeman" for his run. The Leftist/msm outrage will be delicious.
Will Trump’s ego allow him to play second fiddle?
Saw a headline that Desantis won a straw poll (polls!!!) amongst conk candidates and was the clear front runner at this point. More polls like this offers Trump an out, whether he takes it or not remains to be seen.
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