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Dumbass. Focuses on location of birth rather than where their impact was greatest.

Marxists such as Stalin (Russia) and Mao have killed roughly 100 million people.
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UNI88 wrote: Mon Mar 28, 2022 12:53 pm

Dumbass. Focuses on location of birth rather than where their impact was greatest.

Marxists such as Stalin (Russia) and Mao have killed roughly 100 million people.
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UNI88 wrote: Mon Mar 28, 2022 12:53 pm

Dumbass. Focuses on location of birth rather than where their impact was greatest.

Marxists such as Stalin (Russia) and Mao have killed roughly 100 million people.
Adam Smith did some damage too. Fucking Brits… :ohno:
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kalm wrote: Mon Mar 28, 2022 1:57 pm
UNI88 wrote: Mon Mar 28, 2022 12:53 pm

Dumbass. Focuses on location of birth rather than where their impact was greatest.

Marxists such as Stalin (Russia) and Mao have killed roughly 100 million people.
Adam Smith did some damage too. Fucking Brits… :ohno:
Maybe. But the comparison falls completely on its face if you consider the positives brought by Smith's disciples vs. Marx's disciples.
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UNI88 wrote: Mon Mar 28, 2022 2:49 pm
kalm wrote: Mon Mar 28, 2022 1:57 pm

Adam Smith did some damage too. Fucking Brits… :ohno:
Maybe. But the comparison falls completely on its face if you consider the positives brought by Smith's disciples vs. Marx's disciples.
I was joking. You can attribute bad and good acts to many philosophers and it’s kind of pointless.

For instance, innovation, competition, etc are positive aspects to capitalism. But you also should acknowledge colonialism, indigenous peoples, and child labor along with it.

That’s why somewhere in the middle between feudalism and Stalinism appears to be a sweet spot.
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UNI88 wrote: Mon Mar 28, 2022 2:49 pm Maybe. But the comparison falls completely on its face if you consider the positives brought by Smith's disciples vs. Marx's disciples.
I was joking. You can attribute bad and good acts to many philosophers and it’s kind of pointless.

For instance, innovation, competition, etc are positive aspects to capitalism. But you also should acknowledge colonialism, indigenous peoples, and child labor along with it.

That’s why somewhere in the middle between feudalism and Stalinism appears to be a sweet spot.
Yeah I’ll wait for you to point out the progenitors of capitalist economies who did purges, deportations, mass murders, and gulags


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CID1990 wrote: Mon Mar 28, 2022 5:17 pm
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I was joking. You can attribute bad and good acts to many philosophers and it’s kind of pointless.

For instance, innovation, competition, etc are positive aspects to capitalism. But you also should acknowledge colonialism, indigenous peoples, and child labor along with it.

That’s why somewhere in the middle between feudalism and Stalinism appears to be a sweet spot.
Yeah I’ll wait for you to point out the progenitors of capitalist economies who did purges, deportations, mass murders, and gulags


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kalm wrote: Mon Mar 28, 2022 3:12 pm
UNI88 wrote: Mon Mar 28, 2022 2:49 pm

Maybe. But the comparison falls completely on its face if you consider the positives brought by Smith's disciples vs. Marx's disciples.
I was joking. You can attribute bad and good acts to many philosophers and it’s kind of pointless.

For instance, innovation, competition, etc are positive aspects to capitalism. But you also should acknowledge colonialism, indigenous peoples, and child labor along with it.

That’s why somewhere in the middle between feudalism and Stalinism appears to be a sweet spot.
Yes, because capitalists were/are the only ones who conducted colonialism, held down indigenous peoples and used child labor. :dunce: :dunce:
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AZGrizFan wrote: Mon Mar 28, 2022 6:16 pm
kalm wrote: Mon Mar 28, 2022 3:12 pm
I was joking. You can attribute bad and good acts to many philosophers and it’s kind of pointless.

For instance, innovation, competition, etc are positive aspects to capitalism. But you also should acknowledge colonialism, indigenous peoples, and child labor along with it.

That’s why somewhere in the middle between feudalism and Stalinism appears to be a sweet spot.
Yes, because capitalists were/are the only ones who conducted colonialism, held down indigenous peoples and used child labor. :dunce: :dunce:
You didn't know that the Romans, Persians, Egyptians, Mongols, Aztecs, Incans, various Chinese dynasties, etc. were all capitalists?

kalm, coincidence between increasing GDP and growth of capitalism?
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UNI88 wrote: Mon Mar 28, 2022 6:25 pm
AZGrizFan wrote: Mon Mar 28, 2022 6:16 pm

Yes, because capitalists were/are the only ones who conducted colonialism, held down indigenous peoples and used child labor. :dunce: :dunce:
You didn't know that the Romans, Persians, Egyptians, Mongols, Aztecs, Incans, various Chinese dynasties, etc. were all capitalists?

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UNI88 wrote: Mon Mar 28, 2022 6:25 pm
AZGrizFan wrote: Mon Mar 28, 2022 6:16 pm

Yes, because capitalists were/are the only ones who conducted colonialism, held down indigenous peoples and used child labor. :dunce: :dunce:
You didn't know that the Romans, Persians, Egyptians, Mongols, Aztecs, Incans, various Chinese dynasties, etc. were all capitalists?

kalm, coincidence between increasing GDP and growth of capitalism?
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Thank you for showing a graph that agrees with my examples of innovation and completion.

Btw, if you created a drug today that cured all cancer, it would lower GDP.

I like capitalism…when fairly regulated and it grows the middle class. It’s interesting that your graph shows a steady spike in GDP after and despite Marx’s influence.

Coincidence?

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AZGrizFan wrote: Mon Mar 28, 2022 9:51 pm
UNI88 wrote: Mon Mar 28, 2022 6:25 pm

You didn't know that the Romans, Persians, Egyptians, Mongols, Aztecs, Incans, various Chinese dynasties, etc. were all capitalists?

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Sometimes his logic defies………logic. :coffee: :dunce:
Might want to take a seat, Junior. Adults are discussing historical macro economics here. :coffee:
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kalm wrote:
UNI88 wrote: Mon Mar 28, 2022 6:25 pm You didn't know that the Romans, Persians, Egyptians, Mongols, Aztecs, Incans, various Chinese dynasties, etc. were all capitalists?

kalm, coincidence between increasing GDP and growth of capitalism?
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Thank you for showing a graph that agrees with my examples of innovation and completion.

Btw, if you created a drug today that cured all cancer, it would lower GDP.

I like capitalism…when fairly regulated and it grows the middle class. It’s interesting that your graph shows a steady spike in GDP after and despite Marx’s influence.

Coincidence?

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Factor in when and where the GDP growth occurred and you neuter any attempt to give Marx credit for it. :D

There is no doubt that capitalism has warts but it has increased our quality of life so much while Marxism on a large scale has been a slow grind to misery.

Only an uninformed fool really believes that socialism will work this time. The other supporters are grifters who plan to use the system to enrich and empower themselves and their friends.

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kalm wrote: Tue Mar 29, 2022 6:51 am
I just love how Jordan Peterson drives the Left insane. :lol:
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I just love how Jordan Peterson drives the Left insane. :lol:
I kind of like how the whole premise of that tweet rests on the concession that Antifa is real and bad, and then just pokes fun at Peterson’s “why”


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kalm wrote: Tue Mar 29, 2022 5:47 am
AZGrizFan wrote: Mon Mar 28, 2022 9:51 pm

Sometimes his logic defies………logic. :coffee: :dunce:
Might want to take a seat, Junior. Adults are discussing historical macro economics here. :coffee:
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UNI88 wrote: Tue Mar 29, 2022 7:49 am
kalm wrote:
Thank you for showing a graph that agrees with my examples of innovation and completion.

Btw, if you created a drug today that cured all cancer, it would lower GDP.

I like capitalism…when fairly regulated and it grows the middle class. It’s interesting that your graph shows a steady spike in GDP after and despite Marx’s influence.

Coincidence?

:)
Factor in when and where the GDP growth occurred and you neuter any attempt to give Marx credit for it. :D

There is no doubt that capitalism has warts but it has increased our quality of life so much while Marxism on a large scale has been a slow grind to misery.

Only an uninformed fool really believes that socialism will work this time. The other supporters are grifters who plan to use the system to enrich and empower themselves and their friends.

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Hmmm….socialism sure does sound like capitalism based on that last statement. :lol:

But I do enjoy how we can interchange marxism and socialism and ignore the reality of mixed economies (which is what most of the developed world has).

And what about communism? It has to feel left out here. :ohno:

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kalm wrote: Tue Mar 29, 2022 10:45 am
UNI88 wrote: Tue Mar 29, 2022 7:49 am
Factor in when and where the GDP growth occurred and you neuter any attempt to give Marx credit for it. :D

There is no doubt that capitalism has warts but it has increased our quality of life so much while Marxism on a large scale has been a slow grind to misery.

Only an uninformed fool really believes that socialism will work this time. The other supporters are grifters who plan to use the system to enrich and empower themselves and their friends.
Hmmm….socialism sure does sound like capitalism based on that last statement. :lol:

But I do enjoy how we can interchange marxism and socialism and ignore the reality of mixed economies (which is what most of the developed world has).

And what about communism? It has to feel left out here. :ohno:
Not really. Capitalism also has grifters but the idea that it's comparable to socialism in not working is just stupid. Look at the changes in quality of living in the USA vs the USSR.

We have a mixed economy but at it's heart it's based on capitalism with social welfare programs. I'm willing to debate how much and where we should be spending on social welfare but fools like Bernie and AOChe advocate for taking away private control of the means of production which is socialism and not part of a mixed economy. Professing belief in a mixed economy and supporting Bernie, AOChe, etc. are contradictory.
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CID1990 wrote: Tue Mar 29, 2022 9:10 am
Baldy wrote: I just love how Jordan Peterson drives the Left insane. :lol:
I kind of like how the whole premise of that tweet rests on the concession that Antifa is real and bad, and then just pokes fun at Peterson’s “why”


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The "Antifa is just an idea" narrative sure didn't age well.
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