The Ukraine Crisis

[SDHornet]

Little slip of the tongue from the President of the EU Commission. Good thing the internets scrubbed the vid before someone heard it.




Bakhmut seems to be where all the action is. Rumors of various offensives by either side. Should be an interesting winter.

[SeattleGriz]

Little slip of the tongue from the President of the EU Commission. Good thing the internets scrubbed the vid before someone heard it.




Bakhmut seems to be where all the action is. Rumors of various offensives by either side. Should be an interesting winter.

Hearing Bakhmut is also a meat grinder for Ukraine. Russians are able to use their artillery and stay out of range. Using their drones and satellites to get real time feedback and correct artillery aim.

Another factor contributing to Ukraine’s horrendous casualties is its lack of air power and effective air defense systems to counter Russian batteries. If Ukrainian troops try to attack a Russian fixed position, their movement by foot or vehicle is unprotected and vulnerable to Russian artillery or combat air.

[houndawg]

Little slip of the tongue from the President of the EU Commission. Good thing the internets scrubbed the vid before someone heard it.




Bakhmut seems to be where all the action is. Rumors of various offensives by either side. Should be an interesting winter.

If there are that many casualties among the Ukranian military there are at least that many dead Russian troops.

[Skjellyfetti]

Wagner has been bashing their heads in at Bakhmut since the summer. Seems they've finally decided to encircle it instead.

If they take it, I look forward to Seattle and SD celebrating the brilliant military triumph of a small village when they have dismissed Ukraine taking back oblasts and and a capital previously occupied by Russia.

[SeattleGriz]

Wagner has been bashing their heads in at Bakhmut since the summer. Seems they've finally decided to encircle it instead.

If they take it, I look forward to Seattle and SD celebrating the brilliant military triumph of a small village when they have dismissed Ukraine taking back oblasts and and a capital previously occupied by Russia.

Jelly has now realized that he has yet again been following a false narrative.

[SeattleGriz]

Little slip of the tongue from the President of the EU Commission. Good thing the internets scrubbed the vid before someone heard it.




Bakhmut seems to be where all the action is. Rumors of various offensives by either side. Should be an interesting winter.

If there are that many casualties among the Ukranian military there are at least that many dead Russian troops.

Proof of your claim? Are you clerking for Cid?

[houndawg]

If there are that many casualties among the Ukranian military there are at least that many dead Russian troops.

Proof of your claim? Are you clerking for Cid?

The Ukraine has the superior fighters, equipment, and morale. The Russians are running from them and only attacking civilians.

[SeattleGriz]

Proof of your claim? Are you clerking for Cid?

The Ukraine has the superior fighters, equipment, and morale. The Russians are running from them and only attacking civilians.

No. You'll be Reek #2. Silenoz Reek #3, Gannon Fan Reek #4. Spectacularly uninformed.

[SDHornet]

Wagner has been bashing their heads in at Bakhmut since the summer. Seems they've finally decided to encircle it instead.

If they take it, I look forward to Seattle and SD celebrating the brilliant military triumph of a small village when they have dismissed Ukraine taking back oblasts and and a capital previously occupied by Russia.

Jelly has now realized that he has yet again been following a false narrative.

Even NYT had an article with someone quoting high Ukrainian casualties. Reports are that Russia is outshooting the Ukrainians on a 10-1 ratio in artillery alone. Also heard the amount of ammunition Ukraine went through during the peak summer months of action in a day is roughly what US was going through in 2 months in Afghanistan and NATO countries are running low on available munitions to send to Ukraine. Looking like attrition is catching up after all. For everyone's sake, I sure how a diplomatic solution is found soon.

[bobbythekidd]

No. You'll be Reek #2. Silenoz Reek #3, Gannon Fan Reek #4. Spectacularly uninformed.

Oh this is rich. Quoting it for posterity.

[houndawg]

Jelly has now realized that he has yet again been following a false narrative.

Even NYT had an article with someone quoting high Ukrainian casualties. Reports are that Russia is outshooting the Ukrainians on a 10-1 ratio in artillery alone. Also heard the amount of ammunition Ukraine went through during the peak summer months of action in a day is roughly what US was going through in 2 months in Afghanistan and NATO countries are running low on available munitions to send to Ukraine. Looking like attrition is catching up after all. For everyone's sake, I sure how a diplomatic solution is found soon.

Most of it at civilians.

[SeattleGriz]

Even NYT had an article with someone quoting high Ukrainian casualties. Reports are that Russia is outshooting the Ukrainians on a 10-1 ratio in artillery alone. Also heard the amount of ammunition Ukraine went through during the peak summer months of action in a day is roughly what US was going through in 2 months in Afghanistan and NATO countries are running low on available munitions to send to Ukraine. Looking like attrition is catching up after all. For everyone's sake, I sure how a diplomatic solution is found soon.

Most of it at civilians.

Uh huh.

https://militarymonitoring.com/apartmen ... e-systems/

The missile that hit an apartment block in Kiev today was a US-made AIM-120C launched from one of the newly arrived NASMAS air defense systems, donated to Ukraine in the last months. Local people shared on social media photos of the wreckage of the missile. Even though Ukraine blamed Russia for the strike, it turns out the missile was not Russian but American and was fired by Ukrainian troops

Remember Poland? How Zelensky wanted to start WWIII. Remember how Zelensky shut down all media so they promote their narrative?

Just keep believing.

[SeattleGriz]

No. You'll be Reek #2. Silenoz Reek #3, Gannon Fan Reek #4. Spectacularly uninformed.

Oh this is rich. Quoting it for posterity.

Huh. Sounds exactly as I explained it. Russian artillery is simply too much for Ukraine.

https://apdirect.in/ukraine-live-inside ... 27936.html

The Ukrainian commander of the Svoboda battalion, Petro Kuzyk, whose unit is one of those holding Bakhmut said his soldiers are staying in trenches full of corpses, fighting in extremely cold conditions and in knee-deep water against Russia's attacks.

Some units could not withstand this artillery onslaught and retreated.

[Silenoz]

Oh I'm sure you conveniently ignored what he also said about the Russian losses in Bakhmut:

https://news.yahoo.com/continuous-assau ... 00309.html

They are colossal. They don't even count bodies. The fields, the woods in front of the positions are all littered with corpses. I watched them: they dragged their people back to bury them, take off their warm sweaters, and start to put it on themselves.

But yes, we're uninformed. Coming from the guy who ironically claimed this campaign was "easy" for Russia.

[SeattleGriz]

Oh I'm sure you conveniently ignored what he also said about the Russian losses in Bakhmut:

https://news.yahoo.com/continuous-assau ... 00309.html

They are colossal. They don't even count bodies. The fields, the woods in front of the positions are all littered with corpses. I watched them: they dragged their people back to bury them, take off their warm sweaters, and start to put it on themselves.

But yes, we're uninformed. Coming from the guy who ironically claimed this campaign was "easy" for Russia.

Thanks for admitting it! It was pretty obvious though when you started posting Telegram channels as your proof.

I also never said it was easy for Russia. I said they didn't give their full effort yet in order to show some restraint. That's what the SMO was about. Did you not know that?

From your same article. Exactly how I described it. But you keep believing the Ukraine commander stood out on the battlefield and saw the Russians stealing warm sweaters off dead bodies.

There is still no parity in artillery here near Bakhmut. The Russians have much better armament in terms of artillery. They are thrashing us

[kalm]

Oh I'm sure you conveniently ignored what he also said about the Russian losses in Bakhmut:

https://news.yahoo.com/continuous-assau ... 00309.html

They are colossal. They don't even count bodies. The fields, the woods in front of the positions are all littered with corpses. I watched them: they dragged their people back to bury them, take off their warm sweaters, and start to put it on themselves.

But yes, we're uninformed. Coming from the guy who ironically claimed this campaign was "easy" for Russia.

Thanks for admitting it! It was pretty obvious though when you started posting Telegram channels as your proof.

I also never said it was easy for Russia. I said they didn't give their full effort yet in order to show some restraint. That's what the SMO was about. Did you not know that?

From your same article. Exactly how I described it. But you keep believing the Ukraine commander stood out on the battlefield and saw the Russians stealing warm sweaters off dead bodies.

There is still no parity in artillery here near Bakhmut. The Russians have much better armament in terms of artillery. They are thrashing us

[houndawg]

Most of it at civilians.

Uh huh.

https://militarymonitoring.com/apartmen ... e-systems/

The missile that hit an apartment block in Kiev today was a US-made AIM-120C launched from one of the newly arrived NASMAS air defense systems, donated to Ukraine in the last months. Local people shared on social media photos of the wreckage of the missile. Even though Ukraine blamed Russia for the strike, it turns out the missile was not Russian but American and was fired by Ukrainian troops

Remember Poland? How Zelensky wanted to start WWIII. Remember how Zelensky shut down all media so they promote their narrative?

Just keep believing.

...

.....but think of the bank we'll make, nobody wants to go to war with cheap Russian shit any more..

[houndawg]

Oh this is rich. Quoting it for posterity.

Huh. Sounds exactly as I explained it. Russian artillery is simply too much for Ukraine.

https://apdirect.in/ukraine-live-inside ... 27936.html

The Ukrainian commander of the Svoboda battalion, Petro Kuzyk, whose unit is one of those holding Bakhmut said his soldiers are staying in trenches full of corpses, fighting in extremely cold conditions and in knee-deep water against Russia's attacks.

Some units could not withstand this artillery onslaught and retreated.

I guess Putin decided to quit pussyfooting around.

















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Stand with our new NATO brothers against the evil of communism and the mad dwarf Vladimir, comrade SG.

[SDHornet]

Most of it at civilians.

Uh huh.

https://militarymonitoring.com/apartmen ... e-systems/

The missile that hit an apartment block in Kiev today was a US-made AIM-120C launched from one of the newly arrived NASMAS air defense systems, donated to Ukraine in the last months. Local people shared on social media photos of the wreckage of the missile. Even though Ukraine blamed Russia for the strike, it turns out the missile was not Russian but American and was fired by Ukrainian troops

Remember Poland? How Zelensky wanted to start WWIII. Remember how Zelensky shut down all media so they promote their narrative?

Just keep believing.

Aside from all the artillery shellings of civilian areas in the Donbas prior to the invasion by the Ukrainians, how many of these Ukrainian civilian deaths were from air defense missiles/rockets missing their mark and coming down on their own civilians? Makes you wonder.

[SeattleGriz]

Uh huh.

https://militarymonitoring.com/apartmen ... e-systems/



Remember Poland? How Zelensky wanted to start WWIII. Remember how Zelensky shut down all media so they promote their narrative?

Just keep believing.

Aside from all the artillery shellings of civilian areas in the Donbas prior to the invasion by the Ukrainians, how many of these Ukrainian civilian deaths were from air defense missiles/rockets missing their mark and coming down on their own civilians? Makes you wonder.

Well documented the Ukrainians set up defenses in civilian areas.

Houndy will now come into the discussion and move the goalposts and say it's okay to do that now, after denying as long as he could.

[SeattleGriz]

Uh huh.

https://militarymonitoring.com/apartmen ... e-systems/



Remember Poland? How Zelensky wanted to start WWIII. Remember how Zelensky shut down all media so they promote their narrative?

Just keep believing.

...

.....but think of the bank we'll make, nobody wants to go to war with cheap Russian shit any more..

I have no clue what people want to go to war with, but Russia has shown they have the industrial capacity to support their troops with weaponry that while not as advanced, works. And the West, not so much.

This is a huge wake up call for the US.

[kalm]

...

.....but think of the bank we'll make, nobody wants to go to war with cheap Russian shit any more..

I have no clue what people want to go to war with, but Russia has shown they have the industrial capacity to support their troops with weaponry that while not as advanced, works. And the West, not so much.

This is a huge wake up call for the US.

The west lacks the industrial capacity to support troops with weaponry that works but Russia does?

[SeattleGriz]

I have no clue what people want to go to war with, but Russia has shown they have the industrial capacity to support their troops with weaponry that while not as advanced, works. And the West, not so much.

This is a huge wake up call for the US.

The west lacks the industrial capacity to support troops with weaponry that works but Russia does?

Yes. Look at the rate of artillery and missiles Russia has and still is producing.

I don't know if Russia has always been manufacturing their weaponry at this pace, but the US isn't any where near having the same capacity right now.

[kalm]

The west lacks the industrial capacity to support troops with weaponry that works but Russia does?

Yes. Look at the rate of artillery and missiles Russia has and still is producing.

I don't know if Russia has always been manufacturing their weaponry at this pace, but the US isn't any where near having the same capacity right now.

What are the rates they’re using and producing?

[SeattleGriz]

Yes. Look at the rate of artillery and missiles Russia has and still is producing.

I don't know if Russia has always been manufacturing their weaponry at this pace, but the US isn't any where near having the same capacity right now.

What are the rates they’re using and producing?

No clue, but whatever they are doing, it has long outheld the dire media predictions they were almost out of ammo and missiles.

If you shot 5,000 artillery in one day, a 24 hour munitions factory would need to produce roughly 208 per hour to replace. I have no idea if that's a reasonable number, but I also bet they have more than one factory. I would also believe the early explosions in the Russian factories weren't sabotage, but the pains of increasing rates.

If the west was able to match production, we wouldn't be hearing about Ukraine being outgunned in artillery fire by a factor of eight.