The Ukraine Crisis

[SeattleGriz]

Less than one news cycle later, the Intel story drops. Lame and predictable, but there will still be some clinging to the belief our government doesn't lie to us about starting wars.

So Putin obliged by having his military decimated and his economy in the tank?

Master strategist.

Got proof on either of those statements, or are you going to keep buying into the narrative you've been sold?

[houndawg]

Less than one news cycle later, the Intel story drops. Lame and predictable, but there will still be some clinging to the belief our government doesn't lie to us about starting wars.

So Putin obliged by having his military decimated and his economy in the tank?

Master strategist.

He's playing 11 dimension string theory chess - we just don't have enough intellect to see the true picture.

[Silenoz]

Notice that SeattleGriz says nothing about the leak's damning assessment of Russian capabilities or how compromised it's operation is by US infiltration. Guess that doesn't fit the narrative you've been selling yourself on since day one.

[kalm]

Notice that SeattleGriz says nothing about the leak's damning assessment of Russian capabilities or how compromised it's operation is by US infiltration. Guess that doesn't fit the narrative you've been selling yourself on since day one.

Or concern for the intelligence assets it potentially exposes?

[houndawg]

Funny how they can't advance.

Putin's War is about to collapse their economy and the brain drain is going to prolong the effect. 10 years from now they won't even be on the list of developed nations.

Did IQs sharply drop while I was away? Ukraine has had eight years to dig in. Russia is slowly advancing on those positions,but slowly.

Funny how your statements are at odds with each other. Russia is moving too fast, they are wreckless. Russia is moving too slow, they are incompetent.

going on ten years....Putin is master strategist...rofl:

[houndawg]

US intelligence makes its way to the internet. Love how they repeatedly try to claim the "real" casualty numbers were fudged.

"Honestly. We can't even keep our own Intel off the internet, but believe us when we tell you Russia has more casualties...". Yeah, sure. Gotta keep that narrative rolling so the US can send every last Ukrainian to their deaths.

https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2023/ ... ts-leaked/

The latest documents were found on Twitter and other sites Friday, a day after senior Biden administration officials said they were investigating a potential leak of classified Ukrainian war plans, include an alarming assessment of Ukraine’s faltering air defense capabilities. One slide, dated Feb. 23, is labeled “Secret/NoForn,” meaning it was not meant to be shared with foreign countries.

I'm old enough to remember when I mentioned Ukraine's limited air defense and was told I was wrong.

and when you assured us that Leon Durham was going to bring fire and brimstone ....

[SeattleGriz]

US intelligence makes its way to the internet. Love how they repeatedly try to claim the "real" casualty numbers were fudged.

"Honestly. We can't even keep our own Intel off the internet, but believe us when we tell you Russia has more casualties...". Yeah, sure. Gotta keep that narrative rolling so the US can send every last Ukrainian to their deaths.

https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2023/ ... ts-leaked/



I'm old enough to remember when I mentioned Ukraine's limited air defense and was told I was wrong.

and when you assured us that Leon Durham was going to bring fire and brimstone ....

Nice attempt at rewriting history. I said nothing was going to happen to anyone. Nothing from Mueller and nothing from Durham. When Bill Barr went limp, that was the final reveal DC wasn't interested.

[Skjellyfetti]

Well, he did have a grand jury for Andrew McCabe for two years and couldn't get an indictment.

Y'all are always saying that a grand jury indictment doesn't mean anything because they will indict a ham sandwich. If that's the case - not being able to return an indictment against McCabe is a pretty significant faceplant. No?

[SeattleGriz]

Well, he did have a grand jury for Andrew McCabe for two years and couldn't get an indictment.

Y'all are always saying that a grand jury indictment doesn't mean anything because they will indict a ham sandwich. If that's the case - not being able to return an indictment against McCabe is a pretty significant faceplant. No?

On the surface it should be, but you have to take into account where the grand jury was convened. Look at Sussman. Guy charged Hillary for dossier related supplies and while it was a different jury they found him not guilty. Total joke.

[houndawg]

So Putin obliged by having his military decimated and his economy in the tank?

Master strategist.

Got proof on either of those statements, or are you going to keep buying into the narrative you've been sold?

...is that a "yes"?

[SeattleGriz]

Now that the leak has been out a little while, I'm starting to read two reasons for why they were exposed. The first is the "deep state" knows Joe Biden and the State Department are ignoring the Ukraine problem and this will hopefully put more pressure on him to end support. Think of all the little leaks damaging to Joe over the last year. This last one is just an escalation of that process.

Secondly, it's an opportunity for tighter monitoring of private forums. An expansion of the Patriot Act. "Trust us, we'd never spy on you".

Lastly, also reading the big reason many feel this is some sort of planned leak is that the kid at the center could not have access to all the different types of Intel, in addition to how the NYT beat the FBI in identifying the kid.

[BDKJMU]

One thing the leak showed- Things are going much worse for Ukraine than the media and Biden admin is telling us, and Ukraine is losing the war.

[UNI88]

One thing the leak showed- Things are going much worse for Ukraine than the media and Biden admin is telling us, and Ukraine is losing the war.

Are they losing or is it more of a stalemate?

Ukraine war: Pentagon leaks paint gloomy picture of long war that can’t be won but must not be lost


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[BDKJMU]

One thing the leak showed- Things are going much worse for Ukraine than the media and Biden admin is telling us, and Ukraine is losing the war.

Are they losing or is it more of a stalemate?

Ukraine war: Pentagon leaks paint gloomy picture of long war that can’t be won but must not be lost


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Stalement only with massive US aid. Can’t be won and will be lost without a never ending massive amount of US tax dollars spent for military aid.

[SeattleGriz]

Are they losing or is it more of a stalemate?

Ukraine war: Pentagon leaks paint gloomy picture of long war that can’t be won but must not be lost


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Stalement only with massive US aid. Can’t be won and will be lost without a never ending massive amount of US tax dollars spent for military aid.

It's only a stalemate because Russia is fine with lobbing their artillery at Ukraine from a distance they cannot respond with. It's what was pointed out very early. Ukraine was never given the truly good stuff, so they couldn't compete.

Ukraine is severely undermanned and now without decent equipment. All stuff I've been pointing out. Putin has been demilitarizing and denazifying just like he said.

This war has gone horribly for the neocons and the leak was a good way to end support faster...and possibly show how horribly the State department has handled this.

[SeattleGriz]

Notice that SeattleGriz says nothing about the leak's damning assessment of Russian capabilities or how compromised it's operation is by US infiltration. Guess that doesn't fit the narrative you've been selling yourself on since day one.

Lol! Dude, you just can't quite the narrative. Ukraine is on the verge of collapse and all you've got is Telegram channels. You've been woefully incorrect and now your stance is being exposed.

[SeattleGriz]

One thing the leak showed- Things are going much worse for Ukraine than the media and Biden admin is telling us, and Ukraine is losing the war.

Are they losing or is it more of a stalemate?

Ukraine war: Pentagon leaks paint gloomy picture of long war that can’t be won but must not be lost


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Their losing. Just like I've been saying all along.

[SeattleGriz]

Notice that SeattleGriz says nothing about the leak's damning assessment of Russian capabilities or how compromised it's operation is by US infiltration. Guess that doesn't fit the narrative you've been selling yourself on since day one.

Or concern for the intelligence assets it potentially exposes?

Puhleeze. If you think a 21 yo National Guardsman had access to all that material...

Plus the shit was over a month old. What was on those papers was only moderately true a month ago.

[houndawg]

Are they losing or is it more of a stalemate?

Ukraine war: Pentagon leaks paint gloomy picture of long war that can’t be won but must not be lost


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Stalement only with massive US aid. Can’t be won and will be lost without a never ending massive amount of US tax dollars spent for military aid.

Same thing that brought down the Soviet Union. It won't be cheap but there is no way they can keep up, and as we all remember from 9/11: better to fight them there so we don't have to fight them here. Already they have resort to prisons for soldiers, they're suffering a huge brain-drain over the draft they've instated because nobody wants to fight Putin's War especially when you may have in-laws and cousins on the other side. Their military has been exposed most embarassingly and they're going to lose trillions in weapons sales behind the shoddy performance of their equipment just when they most need the sales to help prosecute their invasion of Ukraine. Da, comrade BD, the Master Strategist's plan is succeeding beyond ze wildest dreams...

[houndawg]

Are they losing or is it more of a stalemate?

Ukraine war: Pentagon leaks paint gloomy picture of long war that can’t be won but must not be lost


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Their losing. Just like I've been saying all along.

When will Russia be installing the puppet gubmint?

[SeattleGriz]

Their losing. Just like I've been saying all along.

When will Russia be installing the puppet gubmint?

Good question, but everyone knows that is next. The people who kept saying that Russia was incompetent or that Ukraine was winning can thank themselves for getting duped and advocating this war to the point it is now. Had they simply said, "negotiate" in the beginning, it would look very different with countless Ukrainians still alive.

[SeattleGriz]

Stalement only with massive US aid. Can’t be won and will be lost without a never ending massive amount of US tax dollars spent for military aid.

Same thing that brought down the Soviet Union. It won't be cheap but there is no way they can keep up, and as we all remember from 9/11: better to fight them there so we don't have to fight them here. Already they have resort to prisons for soldiers, they're suffering a huge brain-drain over the draft they've instated because nobody wants to fight Putin's War especially when you may have in-laws and cousins on the side. Their military has been exposed most embarassingly and they're going to lose trillions in weapons sales behind the shoddy performance of their equipment just when they most need the sales to help prosecute their invasion of Ukraine. Da, comrade BD, the Master Strategist's plan is succeeding beyond ze wildest dreams...

You must not have read the latest assessment of Wagner. All of a sudden they aren't staffed with prisoners, but the most highly trained veterans. Better than Blackwater mercenaries. An amazing turn around, unless that too was misinformation. You've been duped as well.

[houndawg]

When will Russia be installing the puppet gubmint?

Good question, but everyone knows that is next. The people who kept saying that Russia was incompetent or that Ukraine was winning can thank themselves for getting duped and advocating this war to the point it is now. Had they simply said, "negotiate" in the beginning, it would look very different with countless Ukrainians still alive.

This is a fight that's been coming for a couple of decades now. Putin's been showing his ass and he's long overdue for a smackdown and a reminder of who is the superpower and who is the third world country that needs to recruit for its military in prisons. Now that we've seen the pitiful performance of their excuse for a military we might as well have it out now when we have the advantage. NATO could easily roll these clowns all the way back to the Russian borders, including Crimea, just with air power supporting Ukraines troops. Right now the Russians are dying by the hundreds every day in a town of little strategic value that barely exists anymore. Pretty slick move by Ukraine, if they decide to fall back the Russians will be left with command of nothing nothing but the rubble they created out of an unimportant backwater on which they wasted tons of ammo

[houndawg]

Same thing that brought down the Soviet Union. It won't be cheap but there is no way they can keep up, and as we all remember from 9/11: better to fight them there so we don't have to fight them here. Already they have resort to prisons for soldiers, they're suffering a huge brain-drain over the draft they've instated because nobody wants to fight Putin's War especially when you may have in-laws and cousins on the side. Their military has been exposed most embarassingly and they're going to lose trillions in weapons sales behind the shoddy performance of their equipment just when they most need the sales to help prosecute their invasion of Ukraine. Da, comrade BD, the Master Strategist's plan is succeeding beyond ze wildest dreams...

You must not have read the latest assessment of Wagner. All of a sudden they aren't staffed with prisoners, but the most highly trained veterans. Better than Blackwater mercenaries. An amazing turn around, unless that too was misinformation. You've been duped as well.

Bullshit. "..the most highly trained veterans.." from where?
Better than the Blackwater guys? Interesting. I bet you dished out some pain to some of them.... who did you say these guys that are better than they are?


Pro Tip: Mercenaries aren't interested in dying for a cause, they want their money.

Ukrainians on the other hand will fight until the end defending their homes and families - and they know what happens if they get captured so that ain't happening.

[SeattleGriz]

Good question, but everyone knows that is next. The people who kept saying that Russia was incompetent or that Ukraine was winning can thank themselves for getting duped and advocating this war to the point it is now. Had they simply said, "negotiate" in the beginning, it would look very different with countless Ukrainians still alive.

This is a fight that's been coming for a couple of decades now. Putin's been showing his ass and he's long overdue for a smackdown and a reminder of who is the superpower and who is the third world country that needs to recruit for its military in prisons. Now that we've seen the pitiful performance of their excuse for a military we might as well have it out now when we have the advantage. NATO could easily roll these clowns all the way back to the Russian borders, including Crimea, just with air power supporting Ukraines troops. Right now the Russians are dying by the hundreds every day in a town of little strategic value that barely exists anymore. Pretty slick move by Ukraine, if they decide to fall back the Russians will be left with command of nothing nothing but the rubble they created out of an unimportant backwater on which they wasted tons of ammo

Nope. Not saying Russia is the world's greatest, but they've easily proven that the US and NATO couldn't prepare in eight years, for a war they fomented.

Hell, NATO and the US are out of some basic supplies as Russia kept its industrial base intact and can manufacture at the rate it is expending. The US and NATO? Not so much, or Ukraine wouldn't be out of ammo.

Russia air defense (S400 and S500) is one of the best systems out there. Foreign aircraft would get shot down readily...kinda low key how Ukraine doesn't have any airpower left. Remember when you said I was crazy saying that months ago?

So wrong, so much. When are you going to take your lips off Bidens ass?