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SeattleGriz wrote: Tue Nov 19, 2024 4:41 pm
Caribbean Hen wrote: Mon Nov 18, 2024 12:01 pm

Lame Duck Head Biden did nothing for 1,000 days and only now he’s determined to approve this … just leave already
Yep. Russia has been shooting down Storm Shadows and ATACMS at around a 75% rate, but Putin has stated the obvious. It's Western satellites, western coordinates and western technicians enabling these to be launched.

This is desperation by the neocons and a dangerous game to play.
This is the time to make an example of Russia - we spend trillions sothat we can have things our way. Its time to show Putin who is the superpower and who is the poseur. :coffee:
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Opinion - With Trump taking over the US military, it’s time to finally change course on Ukraine
Just as he warned he would do in the campaign, Trump is pressing to have the Ukraine war ended even before he takes office in January. The goal is certainly laudable from a humanitarian and economic perspective, but the manner by which Trump intends to achieve it is morally wrong — and geostrategically misguided.

According to media reports, Trump intends to push some kind of freeze-in-place ceasefire that would pressure Ukraine to permanently surrender most or all of its sovereign territory that Russia illegally invaded in 2014 and still occupies. Trump’s plan will reward Putin’s aggression and would ratify the Obama-Biden administration’s passive acquiescence to Russia’s invasion of Crimea and Eastern Ukraine, after then-President Obama assured Putin in 2012 that he would be “more flexible” after his reelection.

Trump needs to show how a strong American president, unlike Obama and Biden, responds to threats and bullying. In addition to warning Putin against further escalation, he should tell him to start withdrawing from Ukraine, send North Korean forces home, and demand that China start sending no-strings financial assistance to help Ukraine rebuild its country.

If Putin refuses to follow these measures, Trump should tell him that he will remove all restrictions on Ukraine’s use of Western weapons except for civilian structures and historical and cultural sites, such as the Kremlin’s iconic onion domes. He should also threaten to increase the supply of long-range missiles to Ukraine until Russia stops bombing Ukrainian cities and infrastructure, and say he will work with NATO to accelerate Ukraine’s admission to the alliance. Further, Trump should also significantly increase sanctions on China for helping Russia conduct its aggression.

Finally, he should tell Putin and Xi Jinping that since Russia’s 10-year invasion of Ukraine has clearly emboldened Beijing to step up its own aggression against Taiwan, he is declaring formally and officially, with the full consent and approval of Congress, that America will unconditionally defend Taiwan against any form of aggression.

Since neither Russia nor China wants an actual war with the United States, these steps by Trump showing U.S. resolve would go a long way toward preventing China’s strategic miscalculation and assuring peace and stability in the Indo-Pacific. Maintaining the present course, much less making further concessions to either U.S. adversary, will inevitably bring disastrous conflict.
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Biden approves land mines. Aren't those, illegal?
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Does Joe Biden remember allowing US long range missles to be fired by Ukraine?

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UNI88 wrote: Tue Nov 19, 2024 12:22 pm
Caribbean Hen wrote: Tue Nov 19, 2024 12:12 pm

Were they paying Joey Biden to be an idiot? Or did That just happen naturally
Considering they were paying MAQA yahoo influencers, it was more likely they were paying them to be mouthpieces to convince suckers and idiots to follow a narcissistic sociopath. :coffee:
Would of been a waste of money, anyone with a brain could immediately see that Scamala was a complete fraud…
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Joe Biden. What a doofus. Nice job Joe!

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houndawg wrote: Tue Nov 19, 2024 7:58 pm
SeattleGriz wrote: Tue Nov 19, 2024 4:41 pm

Yep. Russia has been shooting down Storm Shadows and ATACMS at around a 75% rate, but Putin has stated the obvious. It's Western satellites, western coordinates and western technicians enabling these to be launched.

This is desperation by the neocons and a dangerous game to play.
This is the time to make an example of Russia - we spend trillions sothat we can have things our way. Its time to show Putin who is the superpower and who is the poseur. :coffee:
Its none of our business, you war mongers need to really STFU and go away.
When we are attacked on American soil then you can act all tough from behind your computer screen, and call for war
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Bobcat wrote: Wed Nov 20, 2024 11:22 am
houndawg wrote: Tue Nov 19, 2024 7:58 pm

This is the time to make an example of Russia - we spend trillions sothat we can have things our way. Its time to show Putin who is the superpower and who is the poseur. :coffee:
Its none of our business, you war mongers need to really STFU and go away.
When we are attacked on American soil then you can act all tough from behind your computer screen, and call for war
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SeattleGriz wrote: Wed Nov 20, 2024 10:40 am Joe Biden. What a doofus. Nice job Joe!

it always comes down to egos, and Joey Rotten has been wrong on everything foreign policy for 40 years.... everything

The old guard Cold War relics really had a serious chip on the shoulder for Russia after the cold war was over, but the same idiots embolden Iran who have attacked Americans
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Caribbean Hen wrote: Wed Nov 20, 2024 1:05 pm
SeattleGriz wrote: Wed Nov 20, 2024 10:40 am Joe Biden. What a doofus. Nice job Joe!

it always comes down to egos, and Joey Rotten has been wrong on everything foreign policy for 40 years.... everything

The old guard Cold War relics really had a serious chip on the shoulder for Russia after the cold war was over, but the same idiots embolden Iran who have attacked Americans
I've said it many times before. I'm am extremely thankful to have been born in America and had what much of the world would consider a fantastic life. I just think our elected officials have broken a SHIT TON of eggs making the American way omelette and now we see the rest of the world ain't happy with how we've treated them.
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Russia has fired back with their missles. More destruction on Biden part.
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Gil Dobie wrote: Fri Nov 22, 2024 5:53 am Russia has fired back with their missles. More destruction on Biden part.
All is well Gil

rest assured the always alert and vigilant Biden, who is frolicking in his sand filled Depends at Rehoboth Beach, and overmatched Scamala on vacation in Hawaii are all over this .... nobody in charge is better right now

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Gil Dobie wrote: Fri Nov 22, 2024 5:53 am Russia has fired back with their missles. More destruction on Biden part.
So Putin is Biden’s puppet?

Ok, Gil.
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kalm wrote: Fri Nov 22, 2024 9:02 am
Gil Dobie wrote: Fri Nov 22, 2024 5:53 am Russia has fired back with their missles. More destruction on Biden part.
So Putin is Biden’s puppet?

Ok, Gil.
Nah, Biden poked the bear.
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Gil Dobie wrote: Sat Nov 23, 2024 7:22 am
kalm wrote: Fri Nov 22, 2024 9:02 am

So Putin is Biden’s puppet?

Ok, Gil.
Nah, Biden poked the bear.
So it was Biden who started the conflict? You sure?
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kalm wrote: Sat Nov 23, 2024 7:36 am
Gil Dobie wrote: Sat Nov 23, 2024 7:22 am

Nah, Biden poked the bear.
So it was Biden who started the conflict? You sure?
Biden escalated it.
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Gil Dobie wrote: Sat Nov 23, 2024 10:03 pm
kalm wrote: Sat Nov 23, 2024 7:36 am

So it was Biden who started the conflict? You sure?
Biden escalated it.
The entire west prevented Russia from steamrolling a sovereign country which everyone including Russia had committed peace to.

Now cue the - But Ukraine shouldn’t have worn that dress - arguments.
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kalm wrote: Sun Nov 24, 2024 9:16 am
Gil Dobie wrote: Sat Nov 23, 2024 10:03 pm

Biden escalated it.
The entire west prevented Russia from steamrolling a sovereign country which everyone including Russia had committed peace to.

Now cue the - But Ukraine shouldn’t have worn that dress - arguments.
Biden gave permission to us US Missiles. Pease talks could have begun back before Russia's initial invasion.
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Gil Dobie wrote: Sun Nov 24, 2024 9:26 am
kalm wrote: Sun Nov 24, 2024 9:16 am
The entire west prevented Russia from steamrolling a sovereign country which everyone including Russia had committed peace to.

Now cue the - But Ukraine shouldn’t have worn that dress - arguments.
Biden gave permission to us US Missiles. Pease talks could have begun back before Russia's initial invasion.
russia didn't have to violate previous agreements and invade.
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Gil Dobie wrote: Sun Nov 24, 2024 9:26 am
kalm wrote: Sun Nov 24, 2024 9:16 am

The entire west prevented Russia from steamrolling a sovereign country which everyone including Russia had committed peace to.

Now cue the - But Ukraine shouldn’t have worn that dress - arguments.
Biden gave permission to us US Missiles. Pease talks could have begun back before Russia's initial invasion.
When did the war start, Gil? Who fired the opening shot? Was it out of self defense or aggression?
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UNI88 wrote: Sun Nov 24, 2024 10:00 am
Gil Dobie wrote: Sun Nov 24, 2024 9:26 am

Biden gave permission to us US Missiles. Pease talks could have begun back before Russia's initial invasion.
russia didn't have to violate previous agreements and invade.
That isn't my point, nobody tried to talk with Russia before the invasion, if they did, they get called Putin puppets.
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kalm wrote: Sun Nov 24, 2024 10:03 am
Gil Dobie wrote: Sun Nov 24, 2024 9:26 am

Biden gave permission to us US Missiles. Pease talks could have begun back before Russia's initial invasion.
When did the war start, Gil? Who fired the opening shot? Was it out of self defense or aggression?
Everyone was afraid to be called Russian puppets, so nobody talked with them. Could have been prevented.
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Gil Dobie wrote: Sun Nov 24, 2024 10:15 am
kalm wrote: Sun Nov 24, 2024 10:03 am

When did the war start, Gil? Who fired the opening shot? Was it out of self defense or aggression?
Everyone was afraid to be called Russian puppets, so nobody talked with them. Could have been prevented.
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Gil Dobie wrote: Sun Nov 24, 2024 10:14 am
UNI88 wrote: Sun Nov 24, 2024 10:00 am
russia didn't have to violate previous agreements and invade.
That isn't my point, nobody tried to talk with Russia before the invasion, if they did, they get called Putin puppets.
Do we know that for sure?

Would it have mattered? Did putin have his eyes on Ukraine regardless of what western leadership did?

russia agreed to respect Ukraine's sovereignty if they gave up their nukes. putin should have honored that agreement regardless of whether anyone from the west tried to talk to him. And before SeattleDARVO starts in with the Ukraine killing their own people canard, shouldn't putin be held to the same standard of using talk/diplomacy to try and save those lives rather than resorting to an invasion that's kills thousands more.
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