The Ukraine Crisis

[Gil Dobie]

That isn't my point, nobody tried to talk with Russia before the invasion, if they did, they get called Putin puppets.

Do we know that for sure?

Would it have mattered? Did putin have his eyes on Ukraine regardless of what western leadership did?

russia agreed to respect Ukraine's sovereignty if they gave up their nukes. putin should have honored that agreement regardless of whether anyone from the west tried to talk to him. And before SeattleDARVO starts in with the Ukraine killing their own people canard, shouldn't putin be held to the same standard of using talk/diplomacy to try and save those lives rather than resorting to an invasion that's kills thousands more.

Putin didn't attack Ukraine under Trump I or Obama. Doesn't matter what the west did, it's what they did do with Biden, the ornery old man.

[Gil Dobie]

Everyone was afraid to be called Russian puppets, so nobody talked with them. Could have been prevented.

Everyone under Biden the ornery old man

[UNI88]

The US could threaten to withhold aid if Ukraine doesn't negotiate but we can't actually force them to the table. That would add fuel to the trump is putin's bitch argument.

What could a Ukraine with nothing to lose do if the US ends aid? Blow a suitcase nuke in Red Square?

[kalm]

The US could threaten to withhold aid if Ukraine doesn't negotiate but we can't actually force them to the table. That would add fuel to the trump is putin's bitch argument.

What could a Ukraine with nothing to lose do if the US ends aid? Blow a suitcase nuke in Red Square?

This after Elon sat in the call between Trump and Zalensky.

He’s butt hurt he didn’t have much influence.

[kalm]

Everyone under Biden the ornery old man

And you know this how?

[Gil Dobie]

Everyone under Biden the ornery old man

And you know this how?

Have you seen the Biden admin push for peace or authorize Ukraine to use US missles?

[kalm]

And you know this how?

Have you seen the Biden admin push for peace or authorize Ukraine to use US missles?

Yes and yes. Does peace mean allowing Russia to bomb and invade a sovereign neighbor, violating international law and killing 10’s of thousands of civilians and then rewarding them through concessions of Ukrainian land?

The entire free and democratic west including the United States doesn’t think so. Most people would consider that rewarding bad behavior.

Are you willing to admit that Putin and the Russians are the bad guys here?

[GannonFan]

Do we know that for sure?

Would it have mattered? Did putin have his eyes on Ukraine regardless of what western leadership did?

russia agreed to respect Ukraine's sovereignty if they gave up their nukes. putin should have honored that agreement regardless of whether anyone from the west tried to talk to him. And before SeattleDARVO starts in with the Ukraine killing their own people canard, shouldn't putin be held to the same standard of using talk/diplomacy to try and save those lives rather than resorting to an invasion that's kills thousands more.

Putin didn't attack Ukraine under Trump I or Obama. Doesn't matter what the west did, it's what they did do with Biden, the ornery old man.

Uh, Russia did attack Ukraine under Obama - that's when the Russians annexed Crimea from Ukraine and inserted the militias into eastern Ukraine.

[Gil Dobie]

Have you seen the Biden admin push for peace or authorize Ukraine to use US missles?

Yes and yes. Does peace mean allowing Russia to bomb and invade a sovereign neighbor, violating international law and killing 10’s of thousands of civilians and then rewarding them through concessions of Ukrainian land?

The entire free and democratic west including the United States doesn’t think so. Most people would consider that rewarding bad behavior.

Are you willing to admit that Putin and the Russians are the bad guys here?

Never said Putin was good. If you want to go that direction, do you support bombs over peace?

[Gil Dobie]

Biden allowing Ukraine to fire US missles led to Russia firing 800 Bombs, 460 Drones, 20 Missiles according to The Times of India.

[Skjellyfetti]

Maybe The Times of India can count how many bombs, drones, and missiles Russia has been firing into Ukraine for a decade prior

[Gil Dobie]

Maybe The Times of India can count how many bombs, drones, and missiles Russia has been firing into Ukraine for a decade prior

That is also a travesty, don't need to poke the bear to fire more.

[kalm]

Yes and yes. Does peace mean allowing Russia to bomb and invade a sovereign neighbor, violating international law and killing 10’s of thousands of civilians and then rewarding them through concessions of Ukrainian land?

The entire free and democratic west including the United States doesn’t think so. Most people would consider that rewarding bad behavior.

Are you willing to admit that Putin and the Russians are the bad guys here?

Never said Putin was good. If you want to go that direction, do you support bombs over peace?

That’s a lame reply for you, Gil. Why are you ok with bombing as long as it’s only Russians doing it? Why do you support Putin’s military aggression and authoritarianism over freedom and peaceful co-existence?

Russia started the war.

Russia has been bombing Ukraine for 3 years.

You’re clearly ok with this?

[kalm]

[Gil Dobie]

Never said Putin was good. If you want to go that direction, do you support bombs over peace?

That’s a lame reply for you, Gil. Why are you ok with bombing as long as it’s only Russians doing it? Why do you support Putin’s military aggression and authoritarianism over freedom and peaceful co-existence?

Russia started the war.

Russia has been bombing Ukraine for 3 years.

You’re clearly ok with this?

Just following your lead

If I was OK with Bombing, I would not have criticized Biden for provoking more bombing. If you weren't ok with the original bombing, why are you ok with additional bombing. I didn't like the original bombing by Russia and I don't like the US missiles used for bombing that currently happened, and I don't like the retaliation by Russia either. Apparently some like the US missiles used for bombing allowed by Biden that lead to more Russian bombing.

[kalm]

That’s a lame reply for you, Gil. Why are you ok with bombing as long as it’s only Russians doing it? Why do you support Putin’s military aggression and authoritarianism over freedom and peaceful co-existence?

Russia started the war.

Russia has been bombing Ukraine for 3 years.

You’re clearly ok with this?

Just following your lead

If I was OK with Bombing, I would not have criticized Biden for provoking more bombing. If you weren't ok with the original bombing, why are you ok with additional bombing. I didn't like the original bombing by Russia and I don't like the US missiles used for bombing that currently happened, and I don't like the retaliation by Russia either. Apparently some like the US missiles used for bombing allowed by Biden that lead to more Russian bombing.

Russian aggression leads to more bombing. This is a self defense situation for Ukraine. The west supports their democracy and autonomy as a nation.

If Russia ceases hostilities and goes home or at least ceases their bombing, Ukraine would do the same.

[Gil Dobie]

Just following your lead

If I was OK with Bombing, I would not have criticized Biden for provoking more bombing. If you weren't ok with the original bombing, why are you ok with additional bombing. I didn't like the original bombing by Russia and I don't like the US missiles used for bombing that currently happened, and I don't like the retaliation by Russia either. Apparently some like the US missiles used for bombing allowed by Biden that lead to more Russian bombing.

Russian aggression leads to more bombing. This is a self defense situation for Ukraine. The west supports their democracy and autonomy as a nation.

If Russia ceases hostilities and goes home or at least ceases their bombing, Ukraine would do the same.

Why does the machine that backs Biden, want to escalate the war? Wouldn't you expect a huge Russian retaliation? Might even spark them to use Nukes.

[Caribbean Hen]

Never said Putin was good. If you want to go that direction, do you support bombs over peace?

That’s a lame reply for you, Gil. Why are you ok with bombing as long as it’s only Russians doing it? Why do you support Putin’s military aggression and authoritarianism over freedom and peaceful co-existence?

Russia started the war.

Russia has been bombing Ukraine for 3 years.

You’re clearly ok with this?

Joey Rotten was ok with it

[Bobcat]

Joey profited off of Ukraine, he started the whole thing. Same with Kamal being on the cartel payroll to keep the border open.

[UNI88]

Fake news.

biden has been convicted of nothing, confessed to nothing and there is no video proof. Using the trump standard of determining guilt all 3 are required. Therefore biden is innocent of all allegations.

MAQA yahoos hate when their own twisted logic is used against them.


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[Gil Dobie]

Fake news.

biden has been convicted of nothing, confessed to nothing and there is no video proof. Using the trump standard of determining guilt all 3 are required. Therefore biden is innocent of all allegations.

MAQA yahoos hate when their own twisted logic is used against them.


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He's a racist, just like Trump.

[UNI88]

Fake news.

biden has been convicted of nothing, confessed to nothing and there is no video proof. Using the trump standard of determining guilt all 3 are required. Therefore biden is innocent of all allegations.

MAQA yahoos hate when their own twisted logic is used against them.


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He's a racist, just like Trump.

I agree.


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[SeattleGriz]

Putin didn't attack Ukraine under Trump I or Obama. Doesn't matter what the west did, it's what they did do with Biden, the ornery old man.

Uh, Russia did attack Ukraine under Obama - that's when the Russians annexed Crimea from Ukraine and inserted the militias into eastern Ukraine.

Still haven't posted any proof these "militia" were more than inhabitants of the Donbass agreeing with those who simply wanted to speak Russian and switched sides and took their gear.

The real irony here. The Donbass inhabitants didn't ask for separation, they asked for autonomy and got attacked by their own government.

[houndawg]

Russian aggression leads to more bombing. This is a self defense situation for Ukraine. The west supports their democracy and autonomy as a nation.

If Russia ceases hostilities and goes home or at least ceases their bombing, Ukraine would do the same.

Why does the machine that backs Biden, want to escalate the war? Wouldn't you expect a huge Russian retaliation? Might even spark them to use Nukes.

Putin isn't going to stop until somebody makes him stop, you know that. Might as well spend them into oblivion like we all called Reagan a genius for doing to the Soviet Union. Make an example of them for China's benefit.

[Caribbean Hen]

Huh? Negotiate what? Giving up national sovereignty? How would that go? Russia comes to the table and says "we're still holding onto territory in Crimea we illegally stole a decade ago, but now we also want the eastern portion of your country. We believe we're entitled to it because we're Russians, and by the way, we don't even think you're a real country". How is that even a negotiation? Give us the land or we'll attack (well, increase the attack, we've been attacking with guerilla groups for a decade) and take it anyway? When do nations get to hold onto their sovereignty and say no? I suppose when we give NATO membership to what's left of Ukraine will be when they can say no.

Killing people unnecessarily for starters

Well now … who said you don’t negotiate?

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/ ... y-ukraine/

Volodymyr Zelensky said on Friday night that he was willing to cede territory to Russia to end the war for the first time.

The Ukrainian president said his country could give up land temporarily in exchange for a “Nato umbrella” over the territory Ukraine still holds.