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GannonFan wrote: Tue Dec 03, 2024 9:01 am
UNI88 wrote: Tue Dec 03, 2024 8:51 am
You probably believe the bullshit fairy tale that putin wouldn't have invaded Ukraine if trump hadn't gotten his ass kicked in 2020.

If "Obama/Nuland/Biden voters/supporters own this loss" and the "blood is on their hands" then the blood is on trump voters hands if he pulls the aid leaving the Ukrainian at russia's mercy.
I think it's a valid point to consider if what happened in Ukraine would've happened if Trump was still in office. Clearly Putin could've pulled the trigger on a full scale invasion earlier, and during Trump's first term, if he wanted, but he didn't. You have to wonder if what happened in Afghanistan and the way that we scampered out of there played a part in Putin assessing what Biden would and wouldn't do if he invaded Ukraine. Would the same things have transpired under Trump? Hard to tell. But it's certainly worth considering.
It's a point to consider but MAQA yahoos act like it's a fact.That's the fairy tale.

To trump and the MAQA yahoos, everything good that happens is because of him and everything bad that happens is someone else's fault. Just another example of him having the maturity of a pre-K child.
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GannonFan wrote: Tue Dec 03, 2024 9:01 am
UNI88 wrote: Tue Dec 03, 2024 8:51 am

You probably believe the bullshit fairy tale that putin wouldn't have invaded Ukraine if trump hadn't gotten his ass kicked in 2020.

If "Obama/Nuland/Biden voters/supporters own this loss" and the "blood is on their hands" then the blood is on trump voters hands if he pulls the aid leaving the Ukrainian at russia's mercy.
I think it's a valid point to consider if what happened in Ukraine would've happened if Trump was still in office. Clearly Putin could've pulled the trigger on a full scale invasion earlier, and during Trump's first term, if he wanted, but he didn't. You have to wonder if what happened in Afghanistan and the way that we scampered out of there played a part in Putin assessing what Biden would and wouldn't do if he invaded Ukraine. Would the same things have transpired under Trump? Hard to tell. But it's certainly worth considering.
I disagree - Putin had bigger plans for Trump and wasn't going to fuck them up by pulling the trigger too soon. Don't forget to factor in that Putin came close to the accomplishing the political masterstroke of the millenium that the US unilateraly withdrawing from NATO would have been - I think that he waited until he was sure that wasn't going to happen before he moved. Now he gets another chance and the White House will be fully staffed with useful fools this time.
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houndawg wrote: Tue Dec 03, 2024 9:12 am
GannonFan wrote: Tue Dec 03, 2024 9:01 am

I think it's a valid point to consider if what happened in Ukraine would've happened if Trump was still in office. Clearly Putin could've pulled the trigger on a full scale invasion earlier, and during Trump's first term, if he wanted, but he didn't. You have to wonder if what happened in Afghanistan and the way that we scampered out of there played a part in Putin assessing what Biden would and wouldn't do if he invaded Ukraine. Would the same things have transpired under Trump? Hard to tell. But it's certainly worth considering.
I disagree - Putin had bigger plans for Trump and wasn't going to fuck them up by pulling the trigger too soon. Don't forget to factor in that Putin came close to the accomplishing the political masterstroke of the millenium that the US unilateraly withdrawing from NATO would have been - I think that he waited until he was sure that wasn't going to happen before he moved. Now he gets another chance and the White House will be fully staffed with useful fools this time.
Again, stop it. None of that remotely happened. Heck, Trump told the rest of NATO to start paying their share and guess what, many of them did. Defense budgets in Europe miraculously increased during Trump's time in office despite going the other way for a couple of decades. As I've said before, if Trump was a Putin puppet then he must've been the worst puppet of all time considering that Russia's strategic situation only got worse with Trump in office. And what chance for what does Putin have now? NATO is far better financed than they were 8 years ago, and with his invasion he pushed even more countries into the NATO umbrella (i.e. Finland and Sweden). Granted, he's still awash in money - despite all of our bluster under Biden that we were sanctioning them into oblivion, we didn't want to increase gas prices here at home so we left Russia's main supply of money, oil, basically untouched, so that they could continue to finance their war in Ukraine uninhibited.
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GannonFan wrote: Tue Dec 03, 2024 9:01 am
UNI88 wrote: Tue Dec 03, 2024 8:51 am

You probably believe the bullshit fairy tale that putin wouldn't have invaded Ukraine if trump hadn't gotten his ass kicked in 2020.

If "Obama/Nuland/Biden voters/supporters own this loss" and the "blood is on their hands" then the blood is on trump voters hands if he pulls the aid leaving the Ukrainian at russia's mercy.
I think it's a valid point to consider if what happened in Ukraine would've happened if Trump was still in office. Clearly Putin could've pulled the trigger on a full scale invasion earlier, and during Trump's first term, if he wanted, but he didn't. You have to wonder if what happened in Afghanistan and the way that we scampered out of there played a part in Putin assessing what Biden would and wouldn't do if he invaded Ukraine. Would the same things have transpired under Trump? Hard to tell. But it's certainly worth considering.
If Trump pushed NATO membership for Ukraine, it would have happened. I think that is where Trump is different. He so far doesn't seem to care about economic imperialism, but care more about getting the US humming.
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Europe Quietly Prepares for World War III
"Russia is preparing for a war with the West," Bruno Kahl, the head of Germany's foreign intelligence service, said in late November.

But it's not likely to be a large-scale attack into NATO territory, the intelligence chief warned. Moscow could opt for a limited incursion or upping its hybrid warfare tactics to probe the alliance's conviction, Kahl said.

NATO is trying to prepare for both scenarios: an all-out war, and less obvious techniques designed to undermine stability in the alliance's member countries.

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None of our business.

Europe can take care of itself and if they cant they can all learn a new language
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UNI88 wrote: Fri Dec 06, 2024 11:52 am Europe Quietly Prepares for World War III
"Russia is preparing for a war with the West," Bruno Kahl, the head of Germany's foreign intelligence service, said in late November.

But it's not likely to be a large-scale attack into NATO territory, the intelligence chief warned. Moscow could opt for a limited incursion or upping its hybrid warfare tactics to probe the alliance's conviction, Kahl said.

NATO is trying to prepare for both scenarios: an all-out war, and less obvious techniques designed to undermine stability in the alliance's member countries.

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Unlikely. It would be suicide for Russia. They’re already struggling.
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kalm wrote: Fri Dec 06, 2024 3:47 pm
UNI88 wrote: Fri Dec 06, 2024 11:52 am Europe Quietly Prepares for World War III




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Unlikely. It would be suicide for Russia. They’re already struggling.
How is Russia struggling? This is going to be great.

Sources please.
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SeattleGriz wrote: Sat Dec 07, 2024 7:03 am
kalm wrote: Fri Dec 06, 2024 3:47 pm

Unlikely. It would be suicide for Russia. They’re already struggling.
How is Russia struggling? This is going to be great.

Sources please.
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SeattleGriz wrote: Sat Dec 07, 2024 7:03 am
kalm wrote: Fri Dec 06, 2024 3:47 pm
Unlikely. It would be suicide for Russia. They’re already struggling.
How is Russia struggling? This is going to be great.

Sources please.
Opinion - Putin’s overseas empire is collapsing all at once — don’t let up on him now
Yet through it all, Putin remains steadfast in his determination to win the war at any cost. Despite an economy in turmoil, he continues to double down on Ukraine. On Dec. 1, he approved a 2025 budget plan that hikes military spending from 28.3 percent to 32.5 percent — 13.5 trillion rubles (currently worth $145 billion). That does not sound like a man open to negotiations.

Putin evidently believes he can outlast Ukraine and the West. What he does not have — trained soldiers and munitions — he can purchase from North Korea and Iran, his “arsenals of evil.”

Putin’s Jenga tower is listing hard. Neither the Biden nor Trump administrations should consider anything short of a complete withdrawal of Russian troops from Ukraine, and the restoration of its 1991 borders. All instruments of national power — Diplomacy, Information, Military, and Economic — should be leveraged to end the war on the best terms possible for Ukraine.
Russia’s economy is overheating but Putin cannot change course
Russia’s Central Bank raised its key policy rate to 21 percent in late October as the Russian authorities struggle to manage a wartime economy that is in danger of overheating due to a combination of factors including rising inflation, sanctions pressure, and record defense sector spending. While Kremlin officials and many international analysts insist that the Russian economy remains in remarkably good shape, the country’s longer term economic outlook is becoming increasingly precarious.
These don't even get into the demographic impact of the loss of so many young males.
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kalm wrote: Sat Dec 07, 2024 7:28 am
SeattleGriz wrote: Sat Dec 07, 2024 7:03 am

How is Russia struggling? This is going to be great.

Sources please.
You and I have different sources and see the world through a different lens. That’s ok.
Buc, buc, buc.

Your sources suck and you don't want to list them because you've been wrong the whole time.

How many times was Russia going to lose this war, but in reality wasn't. Find better source ExpandoKlan.
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UNI88 wrote: Sat Dec 07, 2024 10:39 am
SeattleGriz wrote: Sat Dec 07, 2024 7:03 am

How is Russia struggling? This is going to be great.

Sources please.
Opinion - Putin’s overseas empire is collapsing all at once — don’t let up on him now
Yet through it all, Putin remains steadfast in his determination to win the war at any cost. Despite an economy in turmoil, he continues to double down on Ukraine. On Dec. 1, he approved a 2025 budget plan that hikes military spending from 28.3 percent to 32.5 percent — 13.5 trillion rubles (currently worth $145 billion). That does not sound like a man open to negotiations.

Putin evidently believes he can outlast Ukraine and the West. What he does not have — trained soldiers and munitions — he can purchase from North Korea and Iran, his “arsenals of evil.”

Putin’s Jenga tower is listing hard. Neither the Biden nor Trump administrations should consider anything short of a complete withdrawal of Russian troops from Ukraine, and the restoration of its 1991 borders. All instruments of national power — Diplomacy, Information, Military, and Economic — should be leveraged to end the war on the best terms possible for Ukraine.
Russia’s economy is overheating but Putin cannot change course
Russia’s Central Bank raised its key policy rate to 21 percent in late October as the Russian authorities struggle to manage a wartime economy that is in danger of overheating due to a combination of factors including rising inflation, sanctions pressure, and record defense sector spending. While Kremlin officials and many international analysts insist that the Russian economy remains in remarkably good shape, the country’s longer term economic outlook is becoming increasingly precarious.
These don't even get into the demographic impact of the loss of so many young males.
:rofl: Jesus H Christ. Are you fucking kidding me.

Go back through the last two years and tell me how many of The Hills stories have been true.

Stop being a retard and pushing MSM shit.
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Re: The Ukraine Crisis

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SeattleDARVO wrote: Sat Dec 07, 2024 4:55 pm
UNI88 wrote: Sat Dec 07, 2024 10:39 am
Opinion - Putin’s overseas empire is collapsing all at once — don’t let up on him now

Russia’s economy is overheating but Putin cannot change course

These don't even get into the demographic impact of the loss of so many young males.
:rofl: Jesus H Christ. Are you fucking kidding me.

Go back through the last two years and tell me how many of The Hills stories have been true.

Stop being a retard and pushing MSM shit.
You have a penchant for using the shooting the messenger (source) logical fallacy.
  • Col. (Ret.) Jonathan Sweet served 30 years as an Army intelligence officer. Mark Toth writes on national security and foreign policy.
  • Alexander Mertens is professor of finance at National University of Kyiv-Mohyla Academy and professor of economics and finance at Kyiv’s International Institute of Business.
Address the points made or punch yourself in the face 1 time for each day since February 22, 2022.
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UNI88 wrote: Sat Dec 07, 2024 5:08 pm
SeattleDARVO wrote: Sat Dec 07, 2024 4:55 pm

:rofl: Jesus H Christ. Are you fucking kidding me.

Go back through the last two years and tell me how many of The Hills stories have been true.

Stop being a retard and pushing MSM shit.
You have a penchant for using the shooting the messenger logical fallacy.
  • Col. (Ret.) Jonathan Sweet served 30 years as an Army intelligence officer. Mark Toth writes on national security and foreign policy.
  • Alexander Mertens is professor of finance at National University of Kyiv-Mohyla Academy and professor of economics and finance at Kyiv’s International Institute of Business.
Address the points made or punch yourself in the face 1 time for each day since February 22, 2022.
How about you shove your stories up your butt first? (joking).

How the hell are your sources going to tell us about a Russia economy they don't participate in?

"From my perspective, Russia is in dire straights". Says the guy who doesn't live there.

We've all heard this shit for 3 years and Russia has only gotten stronger.
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SeattleDARVO wrote: Sat Dec 07, 2024 5:14 pm
UNI88 wrote: Sat Dec 07, 2024 5:08 pm
You have a penchant for using the shooting the messenger logical fallacy.
  • Col. (Ret.) Jonathan Sweet served 30 years as an Army intelligence officer. Mark Toth writes on national security and foreign policy.
  • Alexander Mertens is professor of finance at National University of Kyiv-Mohyla Academy and professor of economics and finance at Kyiv’s International Institute of Business.
Address the points made or punch yourself in the face 1 time for each day since February 22, 2022.
How about you shove your stories up your butt first? (joking).

How the hell are your sources going to tell us about a Russia economy they don't participate in?

"From my perspective, Russia is in dire straights". Says the guy who doesn't live there.

We've all heard this shit for 3 years and Russia has only gotten stronger.
You're still not addressing the content of the articles.

Anyone with a rudimentary understanding of economics knows that putin can only do so much to prop up the economy and for only so long before the bills will come due. You think putin can ignore/overcomve basic economics just like biden thought his administration could.

The russian economy is a house of cards and the invasion will end up costing the russian people dearly.
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UNI88 wrote: Sat Dec 07, 2024 5:21 pm
SeattleDARVO wrote: Sat Dec 07, 2024 5:14 pm

How about you shove your stories up your butt first? (joking).

How the hell are your sources going to tell us about a Russia economy they don't participate in?

"From my perspective, Russia is in dire straights". Says the guy who doesn't live there.

We've all heard this shit for 3 years and Russia has only gotten stronger.
You're still not addressing the content of the articles.

Anyone with a rudimentary understanding of economics knows that putin can only do so much to prop up the economy and for only so long before the bills will come due. You think putin can ignore/overcomve basic economics just like biden thought his administration could.

The russian economy is a house of cards and the invasion will end up costing the russian people dearly.
I don't care to address the contents. Your twats are paid to say stupid shit and there is no counter.

How long have we heard the Russian economy is a house of cards and will collapse soon? Three fucking years.

StOnge knew this shit and was a much more informed poster. No wonder he schooled you in Economics. This is why you ran him off the board. He was a better informed and intelligent poster than you.
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SeattleGriz wrote: Sat Dec 07, 2024 4:53 pm
kalm wrote: Sat Dec 07, 2024 7:28 am

You and I have different sources and see the world through a different lens. That’s ok.
Buc, buc, buc.

Your sources suck and you don't want to list them because you've been wrong the whole time.

How many times was Russia going to lose this war, but in reality wasn't. Find better source ExpandoKlan.
The sources you link to are clearly better JBB.
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SeattleDARVO wrote: Sat Dec 07, 2024 5:46 pm
UNI88 wrote: Sat Dec 07, 2024 5:21 pm You're still not addressing the content of the articles.

Anyone with a rudimentary understanding of economics knows that putin can only do so much to prop up the economy and for only so long before the bills will come due. You think putin can ignore/overcomve basic economics just like biden thought his administration could.

The russian economy is a house of cards and the invasion will end up costing the russian people dearly.
I don't care to address the contents. Your twats are paid to say stupid shit and there is no counter.

How long have we heard the Russian economy is a house of cards and will collapse soon? Three fucking years.

StOnge knew this shit and was a much more informed poster. No wonder he schooled you in Economics. This is why you ran him off the board. He was a better informed and intelligent poster than you.
Nice use of a word salad and an ad hominem attack to say you've got nothing.
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kalm wrote: Sat Dec 07, 2024 6:02 pm
SeattleGriz wrote: Sat Dec 07, 2024 4:53 pm

Buc, buc, buc.

Your sources suck and you don't want to list them because you've been wrong the whole time.

How many times was Russia going to lose this war, but in reality wasn't. Find better source ExpandoKlan.
The sources you link to are clearly better JBB.
Yes. My sources have history as facts. Didn't you say Russia was losing the war, had no missiles, etc.

Bad choice Klan.

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SeattleDARVO wrote:
kalm wrote: Sat Dec 07, 2024 6:02 pm

The sources you link to are clearly better JBB.
Yes. My sources have history as facts. Didn't you say Russia was losing the war, had no missiles, etc.

Bad choice Klan.

Please tell us all what stock you think will be the worst performing over the next six months, so we can all invest.
Your sources are twats who are paid to say stupid shit. :D


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UNI88 wrote: Sat Dec 07, 2024 6:46 pm
SeattleDARVO wrote:
Yes. My sources have history as facts. Didn't you say Russia was losing the war, had no missiles, etc.

Bad choice Klan.

Please tell us all what stock you think will be the worst performing over the next six months, so we can all invest.
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:lol: So are you! :lol:

I'm not sure what Trump wants. We all know we want a smallest footprint, but I don't know what that means.
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SeattleGriz wrote: Sat Dec 07, 2024 6:28 pm
kalm wrote: Sat Dec 07, 2024 6:02 pm

The sources you link to are clearly better JBB.
Yes. My sources have history as facts. Didn't you say Russia was losing the war, had no missiles, etc.

Bad choice Klan.

Please tell us all what stock you think will be the worst performing over the next six months, so we can all invest.
You never identify sources. You have no sources. You don’t need sources.

Raw milk is delicious and Russia’s economy is kicking ass despite the aggression from the west. They’ve only lost a dozen troops and their supermarkets are state of the art.

Putin is the Abraham Lincoln of our time.
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kalm wrote: Sun Dec 08, 2024 8:40 am
SeattleGriz wrote: Sat Dec 07, 2024 6:28 pm

Yes. My sources have history as facts. Didn't you say Russia was losing the war, had no missiles, etc.

Bad choice Klan.

Please tell us all what stock you think will be the worst performing over the next six months, so we can all invest.
You never identify sources. You have no sources. You don’t need sources.

Raw milk is delicious and Russia’s economy is kicking ass despite the aggression from the west. They’ve only lost a dozen troops and their supermarkets are state of the art.

Putin is the Abraham Lincoln of our time.
My sources are far too phositicated for you to comprehend.
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kalm wrote: Sun Dec 08, 2024 8:40 am
SeattleGriz wrote: Sat Dec 07, 2024 6:28 pm
Yes. My sources have history as facts. Didn't you say Russia was losing the war, had no missiles, etc.

Bad choice Klan.

Please tell us all what stock you think will be the worst performing over the next six months, so we can all invest.
You never identify sources. You have no sources. You don’t need sources.

Raw milk is delicious and Russia’s economy is kicking ass despite the aggression from the west. They’ve only lost a dozen troops and their supermarkets are state of the art.

Putin is the Abraham Lincoln of our time.
You forgot to mention that trump is both the messiah and one, true god and elon the baptist is his prophet, preparing the world for his coming.
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SeattleGriz wrote: Sat Dec 07, 2024 6:28 pm
kalm wrote: Sat Dec 07, 2024 6:02 pm

The sources you link to are clearly better JBB.
Yes. My sources have history as facts. Didn't you say Russia was losing the war, had no missiles, etc.

Bad choice Klan.

Please tell us all what stock you think will be the worst performing over the next six months, so we can all invest.
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