Culture Wars

[kalm]

For those who enjoy economics. And no I haven’t vetted the numbers and no I don’t GAF. The point remains…

[BDKJMU]

For those who enjoy economics. And no I haven’t vetted the numbers and no I don’t GAF. The point remains…

Wrong. Stop reading after the 1st line. The US didn’t exist until 1776, or 1783, or Jan 14, 1784, when the Continental Congress ratified the Paris Treaty, which officially declared the sovereignty of the United States of America. Negotiated on the US side by Benjamin Franklin, John Adams, and John Jay, formally ended the Revolutionary War with Great Britain and established the U.S. as an independent nation.

Slavery in the British colonies in America 1619 till at least 1776 was slavery under Britain in British territories.

[UNI88]

For those who enjoy economics. And no I haven’t vetted the numbers and no I don’t GAF. The point remains…

Wrong. Stop reading after the 1st line. The US didn’t exist until 1776, or 1783, or Jan 14, 1784, when the Continental Congress ratified the Paris Treaty, which officially declared the sovereignty of the United States of America. Negotiated on the US side by Benjamin Franklin, John Adams, and John Jay, formally ended the Revolutionary War with Great Britain and established the U.S. as an independent nation.

Slavery in the British colonies in America 1619 till at least 1776 was slavery under Britain in British territories.

So it's just over 36% of the years which is about $35 trillion in production. Not an insignificant number unless you're a snowflake who wants to sweep it under the rug and pretend it didn't happen because it upsets your delicate sensibilities.

Let's not lose the forest for the trees.

[kalm]

For those who enjoy economics. And no I haven’t vetted the numbers and no I don’t GAF. The point remains…

Wrong. Stop reading after the 1st line. The US didn’t exist until 1776, or 1783, or Jan 14, 1784, when the Continental Congress ratified the Paris Treaty, which officially declared the sovereignty of the United States of America. Negotiated on the US side by Benjamin Franklin, John Adams, and John Jay, formally ended the Revolutionary War with Great Britain and established the U.S. as an independent nation.

Slavery in the British colonies in America 1619 till at least 1776 was slavery under Britain in British territories.

And it all went away on July 4th of that year!

[BDKJMU]

Wrong. Stop reading after the 1st line. The US didn’t exist until 1776, or 1783, or Jan 14, 1784, when the Continental Congress ratified the Paris Treaty, which officially declared the sovereignty of the United States of America. Negotiated on the US side by Benjamin Franklin, John Adams, and John Jay, formally ended the Revolutionary War with Great Britain and established the U.S. as an independent nation.

Slavery in the British colonies in America 1619 till at least 1776 was slavery under Britain in British territories.

And it all went away on July 4th of that year!

[UNI88]

And it all went away on July 4th of that year!

No you didn't. You used facts to obfuscate the point.

It's just over 36% of the years which is about $35 trillion in production. Not an insignificant number.

[BDKJMU]

No you didn't. You used facts to obfuscate the point.

It's just over 36% of the years which is about $35 trillion in production. Not an insignificant number.

Link?

[UNI88]

No you didn't. You used facts to obfuscate the point.

It's just over 36% of the years which is about $35 trillion in production. Not an insignificant number.

Link?

It's an estimate using math. I used 1776 as the break point (the number will be significant regardless of which break point you choose)
1619 - 1776 = 157 years
1776 - 1865 = 89 years
Total = 246 years
89 = 36.18% of 246
36.18% of $97 trillion =$35.09 trillion.
Not perfect but good enough to be confident that the contributions of enslaved blacks was significant.

Trying to nitpick over when the US began is an attempt to obfuscate that point.


Is this why MAQA yahoos hate education? It teaches people to use logic and facts to come up with information that runs counter to what the Qult wants people to believe?

[Caribbean Hen]

Link?

It's an estimate using math. I used 1776 as the break point (the number will be significant regardless of which break point you choose)
1619 - 1776 = 157 years
1776 - 1865 = 89 years
Total = 246 years
89 = 36.18% of 246
36.18% of $97 trillion =$35.09 trillion.
Not perfect but good enough to be confident that the contributions of enslaved blacks was significant.

Trying to nitpick over when the US began is an attempt to obfuscate that point.


Is this why MAQA yahoos hate education? It teaches people to use logic and facts to come up with information that runs counter to what the Qult wants people to believe?

So besides ranting like an angry old man, what are you going to do about it ?

[Bobcat]

With the wasteful money we are saving, Trump needs to give black people an option.

Stay in the USA and STFU and be normal citizens

Go back to Africa and cry about injustice there, we will pay for it.

So sick of their cry baby bullshit Asians don't do this and Mexicans are too busy celebrating Mexico in the USA to have time to race bait. Its only blacks and gay that cry. Export the problem and clean up this country.

Americans are sick of the lefts division and hate.

[UNI88]

With the wasteful money we are saving, trump needs to give MAQA yahoos an option.

Stay in the USA and STFU and be normal citizens

Go back to Europe and cry about injustice there, we will pay for it.

So sick of their cry baby bullshit Asians don't do this and Mexicans are too busy working their ass off to have time to race bait. Its only MAQA yahoos that cry. Export the problem and clean up this country.

Americans are sick of the rights division and hate.

[kalm]

And it all went away on July 4th of that year!

Sorry you fail to understand how the point of tweet I posted is still correct.

[BDKJMU]

Link?

It's an estimate using math. I used 1776 as the break point (the number will be significant regardless of which break point you choose)
1619 - 1776 = 157 years
1776 - 1865 = 89 years
Total = 246 years
89 = 36.18% of 246
36.18% of $97 trillion =$35.09 trillion.
Not perfect but good enough to be confident that the contributions of enslaved blacks was significant.

Trying to nitpick over when the US began is an attempt to obfuscate that point.


Is this why MAQA yahoos hate education? It teaches people to use logic and facts to come up with information that runs counter to what the Qult wants people to believe?

And where pray tell are you coming up with $97 trillion?

[BDKJMU]

Sorry you fail to understand how the point of tweet I posted is still correct.

Nope tweet is false and unsubstantiated.

[UNI88]

It's an estimate using math. I used 1776 as the break point (the number will be significant regardless of which break point you choose)
1619 - 1776 = 157 years
1776 - 1865 = 89 years
Total = 246 years
89 = 36.18% of 246
36.18% of $97 trillion =$35.09 trillion.
Not perfect but good enough to be confident that the contributions of enslaved blacks was significant.

Trying to nitpick over when the US began is an attempt to obfuscate that point.


Is this why MAQA yahoos hate education? It teaches people to use logic and facts to come up with information that runs counter to what the Qult wants people to believe?

And where pray tell are you coming up with $97 trillion?

House Resolution 414

Whereas scholars have estimated that the United States benefitted from 222,505,049 hours of forced labor between 1619 and the end of slavery in 1865, which would be valued at $97,000,000,000,000 today;

I don't know how accurate it is but those are the numbers being discussed.

[UNI88]

How the “Subversive Genius” of Kendrick Lamar Sent Trump Home a Loser

Lamar unleashed an artistic inferno rooted in Black culture, Black poetry, and Black resistance. Trump’s most prominent racist online trolls—I don’t want to link and give them the attention they crave—were already spitting that it was a “DEI halftime show,” which was more pathetic than upsetting. They are pieces of soggy Wonder bread, reduced to attacking brilliance because it exposes their mediocrity. It’s just stupid to think some addled 78-year-old misogynist caked in orange is the peak of masculinity.

But many of the people watching Lamar were those who have been deeply shaken by the constant, unaccountable cruelty pummelling us every day. Innumerable people—I’ve been hearing from them all week—were praying that Lamar would say something about Trump or Musk to the tens of millions of viewers. They wanted him to take on all the weight of this moment. It’s an understandable desire, but it’s also unfair: a “save us” burden that always disproportionately falls on the shoulders of Black artists. A popular slogan now is “No one will save us but us.” This plea was more “Save us, Kendrick.” But Lamar, who is more an abstract master of symbology than political rabble-rouser, performed something right in Trump’s face that I think people will be decoding for years. It was a textured, deeply layered, colossal middle finger at the worst of US history, Trump, and anyone who would try to obliterate Black culture in this country.

Did poor little, sensitive donny take his ball and go home after halftime?

[Bobcat]

No the secret service doesn't keep Trump anywhere very long because the FBI, CIA and the Left are actively trying to kill him. They already missed twice.

You guys are costing us more tax dollars because you let in Iranian surface to air missiles across the border and now we have to have decoy planes to keep the president safe.

[UNI88]

Someone's off their meds.

[UNI88]

[BDKJMU]

How the “Subversive Genius” of Kendrick Lamar Sent Trump Home a Loser

Lamar unleashed an artistic inferno rooted in Black culture, Black poetry, and Black resistance. Trump’s most prominent racist online trolls—I don’t want to link and give them the attention they crave—were already spitting that it was a “DEI halftime show,” which was more pathetic than upsetting. They are pieces of soggy Wonder bread, reduced to attacking brilliance because it exposes their mediocrity. It’s just stupid to think some addled 78-year-old misogynist caked in orange is the peak of masculinity.

But many of the people watching Lamar were those who have been deeply shaken by the constant, unaccountable cruelty pummelling us every day. Innumerable people—I’ve been hearing from them all week—were praying that Lamar would say something about Trump or Musk to the tens of millions of viewers. They wanted him to take on all the weight of this moment. It’s an understandable desire, but it’s also unfair: a “save us” burden that always disproportionately falls on the shoulders of Black artists. A popular slogan now is “No one will save us but us.” This plea was more “Save us, Kendrick.” But Lamar, who is more an abstract master of symbology than political rabble-rouser, performed something right in Trump’s face that I think people will be decoding for years. It was a textured, deeply layered, colossal middle finger at the worst of US history, Trump, and anyone who would try to obliterate Black culture in this country.

Did poor little, sensitive donny take his ball and go home after halftime?

As soon as you see the homeless referred to as the “unhoused’ you know its a leftwing rag. So sure The Nation will praise it if they think its an opportunity to get in a dig at Trump. I’m sure other left wing outlets have done the same. And I could give just as many on the right saying it was the worst Super Bowl halftime performance ever.

Lol ‘subversive genius’ when no one could understand wtf some rapper (never heard of him) was saying sans those that are fluent in jive talk/Ebonics'. I doubt Trump understands ebonics (or was even paying attention) so I doubt he gives a fvuck.

Maybe next year they’ll have someone that can speak English and allow white, Asian, and Team Brown on the stage.

[BDKJMU]

And where pray tell are you coming up with $97 trillion?

House Resolution 414

Whereas scholars have estimated that the United States benefitted from 222,505,049 hours of forced labor between 1619 and the end of slavery in 1865, which would be valued at $97,000,000,000,000 today;

I don't know how accurate it is but those are the numbers being discussed.

I don’t buy it for a min its even remotely close to 97 trillion inflation adjusted. I can’t disprove it, but no one can prove it either. Here are some #s population and % slaves (slave data only back to 1790)
US population:
1619 2.3k (20 slaves)
1700 251k
1790 4 million (<700k slaves 17% population).
1800 5.3 million (<900k slaves, <17% population).
1860 31.4 million (<4 million slaves, <13% population).
https://courses.lumenlearning.com/suny- ... ion-chart/
https://www.statista.com/statistics/101 ... 1790-1880/
Believe these #s or not, but I’ve seen similar:

Now compare that to a current population of around 340 million with an around 30 trillion economy. If they had claimed several trillion or 5 or 10 trillion I’d find it more believable, but I don’t believe its remotely close to 97 trillion worth of mostly unskilled labor. Like Crockett’s claim of the most of the most violent crime in the country conducted by white supremacists when thats probably a tiny percent.

[UNI88]

House Resolution 414

I don't know how accurate it is but those are the numbers being discussed.

I don’t buy it for a min its even remotely close to 97 trillion inflation adjusted. I can’t disprove it, but no one can prove it either. Here are some #s population and % slaves (slave data only back to 1790)
US population:
1619 2.3k (20 slaves)
1700 251k
1790 4 million (<700k slaves 17% population).
1800 5.3 million (<900k slaves, <17% population).
1860 31.4 million (<4 million slaves, <13% population).
https://courses.lumenlearning.com/suny- ... ion-chart/
https://www.statista.com/statistics/101 ... 1790-1880/
Believe these #s or not, but I’ve seen similar:

Now compare that to a current population of around 340 million with an around 30 trillion economy. I don’t believe it. If they had claimed several trillion or 5 or 10 trillion I’d find it more believable, but I don’t believe its remotely close to 97 trillion worth of mostly unskilled labor. Like Crockett’s claim of the most of the most violent crime in the country conducted by white supremacists when thats probably a tiny percent.

Insurrection Barbie is spreading FAKE NEWS.

The US was not even one of the first countries in the Western Hemisphere to abolish slavery.

600,000 soldiers DID NOT die to abolish slavery. Roughly 60% of them died to preserve the union. The abolishment of slavery was a byproduct of that effort not the objective. The other roughly 40% died trying to destroy the union.

[Bobcat]

Talk about revisionist history

[GannonFan]

I don’t buy it for a min its even remotely close to 97 trillion inflation adjusted. I can’t disprove it, but no one can prove it either. Here are some #s population and % slaves (slave data only back to 1790)
US population:
1619 2.3k (20 slaves)
1700 251k
1790 4 million (<700k slaves 17% population).
1800 5.3 million (<900k slaves, <17% population).
1860 31.4 million (<4 million slaves, <13% population).
https://courses.lumenlearning.com/suny- ... ion-chart/
https://www.statista.com/statistics/101 ... 1790-1880/
Believe these #s or not, but I’ve seen similar:

Now compare that to a current population of around 340 million with an around 30 trillion economy. I don’t believe it. If they had claimed several trillion or 5 or 10 trillion I’d find it more believable, but I don’t believe its remotely close to 97 trillion worth of mostly unskilled labor. Like Crockett’s claim of the most of the most violent crime in the country conducted by white supremacists when thats probably a tiny percent.

Insurrection Barbie is spreading FAKE NEWS.

The US was not even one of the first countries in the Western Hemisphere to abolish slavery.

600,000 soldiers DID NOT die to abolish slavery. Roughly 60% of them died to preserve the union. The abolishment of slavery was a byproduct of that effort not the objective. The other roughly 40% died trying to destroy the union.

Gotta be careful with that narrative. Sure, historically speaking, the initial effort by the North was to preserve the Union, but that shifted as the war went on, especially after the Emancipation Proclamation (1/1/1863), and after almost 200k Black soliders (at least 10% of the Union forces) fought for the North. The ending of slavery certainly became a primary objective of the war, as evidenced by the significance it played in the 1864 election, the passage of the 13th amendment in January of 1865, and even Lincoln's refusal to accept the South's terms at the Hampton Roads Conference. Preserving the Union was clearly the initial mission, but that either shifted or got added to as the war waged on.

[Caribbean Hen]

Hey 88, do the math for me

As a teenager living in an area surrounded by farmers, I did the work that Americans won’t do anymore by helping my neighbor farmer harvest is watermelon and cantaloupe crops during the summer. It was backbreaking labor and I was paid 2 dollars an hour. I had to pay for my own food and shelter to

How much does the farmer owe me?

And may farmer Robert rest in peace, he was a good man