trump/vance Immigration Enforcement Bloodbath

[UNI88]

I get why you would think that about Biden..

Hey man…just going of your consistent standards.

He's not wrong about biden and you're not wrong about trump.

He would have to flip flop to support a 2028 trump candidacy.

[kalm]

Hey man…just going of your consistent standards.

He's not wrong about biden and you're not wrong about trump.

He would have to flip flop to support a 2028 trump candidacy.

Which was my point.

[UNI88]

Trump Attacks the Supreme Court, Says America ‘Cannot Give Everyone a Trial’

The president claimed it would be impossible to extend due process rights — as required under the Fifth Amendment — to all of the immigrants he wants to deport.

“We cannot give everyone a trial, because to do so would take, without exaggeration, 200 years,” he wrote. “We would need hundreds of thousands of trials for the hundreds of thousands of Illegals we are sending out of the Country. Such a thing is not possible to do. What a ridiculous situation we are in.”

Sorry donny but you don't get to unilaterally decide whether they have a right to due process or not.

If you can't give it to all of them, maybe you should focus on the "worst of the worst" to get rid of the truly violent criminals first.

[UNI88]

New images could change cancer diagnostics but ICE detained the Harvard scientist who analyzes them

What innovations that could have been found/invented/developed in the US will now happen elsewhere?

Not surprisingly, NBC was a little deficient with the details on this one.

It isn't quite as simple as her not declaring frog embryos. That isn't something you can just 'declare'. You have to obtain permits to bring biological specimens into the country. Not only did she have these loose frog embryos, she also had uncovered undeclared petri dishes, and containers of other unknown substances. On top of that, there were messages on her phone where she planned to smuggle these materials into the country without declaring them or acquiring the proper permits. Sounds pretty premeditated and intentional.

Do you really want a foreign national (especially from a bad actor like Russia) coming into the country with undeclared, unprotected, and unpermitted biological materials, or is she just being used for another Donk political stunt?

Once again the point flies right over your head and you attempt to focus on individual details rather than the big picture.

On this case: I want Customs to do it's job as it did; for the appropriate actions to be taken with any embryos, petri dishes, etc.; and for her to be given due process and the ability to defend her actions and her visa. If she is deported, it probably shouldn't be to russia because she's been critical of the illegal invasion of Ukraine and will likely face imprisonment if sent back.

On the bigger picture: I want a President who defends the entire Constitution even when he disagrees with parts of it; a President who doesn't hurt the USA's long-term innovation and competitiveness as part of a political power grab. I want a President who isn't paying lip service to "making America great again" but is serious about keeping America great.

[Bobcat]

36 trillion in debt isnt great.

[Baldy]

Not surprisingly, NBC was a little deficient with the details on this one.

It isn't quite as simple as her not declaring frog embryos. That isn't something you can just 'declare'. You have to obtain permits to bring biological specimens into the country. Not only did she have these loose frog embryos, she also had uncovered undeclared petri dishes, and containers of other unknown substances. On top of that, there were messages on her phone where she planned to smuggle these materials into the country without declaring them or acquiring the proper permits. Sounds pretty premeditated and intentional.

Do you really want a foreign national (especially from a bad actor like Russia) coming into the country with undeclared, unprotected, and unpermitted biological materials, or is she just being used for another Donk political stunt?

Once again the point flies right over your head and you attempt to focus on individual details rather than the big picture.

On this case: I want Customs to do it's job as it did; for the appropriate actions to be taken with any embryos, petri dishes, etc.; and for her to be given due process and the ability to defend her actions and her visa. If she is deported, it probably shouldn't be to russia because she's been critical of the illegal invasion of Ukraine and will likely face imprisonment if sent back.

On the bigger picture: I want a President who defends the entire Constitution even when he disagrees with parts of it; a President who doesn't hurt the USA's long-term innovation and competitiveness as part of a political power grab. I want a President who isn't paying lip service to "making America great again" but is serious about keeping America great.

Not sure if you're being obtuse on purpose, but as they say, the devil is in the details. The very sympathetic story insinuated that she just made a mistake. It talked about her "confusion" of the process, etc. when she actually planned to smuggle these items into the country illegally all along.

Not sure what you're complaining about. If you would have actually read the article you posted, she had a hearing today and another one scheduled for May 7th. Is that not due process?

[UNI88]

Some loud voices in MAGA world are starting to decry Trump’s immigration policies

Podcaster Joe Rogan criticized the administration for carrying out deportations without due process, calling it “dangerous.”
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Sen. John Kennedy, R-La., called the Trump administration’s deportation of Abrego Garcia a “screw-up” and said the Trump administration won’t admit it.

And far-right influencer Charlie Kirk recently condemned former U.S. Ambassador David Friedman’s celebration of the Trump administration’s potential deportations of immigrants over antisemitism claims.
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To state the obvious, these are not bleeding-heart liberals. But they stand as examples of the widely varying views many Americans have about what constitutes immigration enforcement. And they speak to why people like data journalist G. Elliott Morris argues — correctly, I believe — that there is political “opportunity” in Trump’s “overreach.”

In a recent post for his Strength In Numbers blog, Morris uses polling data to argue that while a large number of Americans may tell pollsters they support Trump’s handling of immigration in a broad sense, there’s also data showing widespread opposition to specific aspects of his administration’s immigration agenda — including its defiance of federal courts, its potential proposal to send U.S. citizens to foreign prisons, and its deportations of immigrants who haven’t broken any laws other than immigration laws.

[Bobcat]

No they are not.

Zero laws have been broken

[BDKJMU]

Some loud voices in MAGA world are starting to decry Trump’s immigration policies

Podcaster Joe Rogan criticized the administration for carrying out deportations without due process, calling it “dangerous.”
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Sen. John Kennedy, R-La., called the Trump administration’s deportation of Abrego Garcia a “screw-up” and said the Trump administration won’t admit it.

And far-right influencer Charlie Kirk recently condemned former U.S. Ambassador David Friedman’s celebration of the Trump administration’s potential deportations of immigrants over antisemitism claims.
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To state the obvious, these are not bleeding-heart liberals. But they stand as examples of the widely varying views many Americans have about what constitutes immigration enforcement. And they speak to why people like data journalist G. Elliott Morris argues — correctly, I believe — that there is political “opportunity” in Trump’s “overreach.”

In a recent post for his Strength In Numbers blog, Morris uses polling data to argue that while a large number of Americans may tell pollsters they support Trump’s handling of immigration in a broad sense, there’s also data showing widespread opposition to specific aspects of his administration’s immigration agenda — including its defiance of federal courts, its potential proposal to send U.S. citizens to foreign prisons, and its deportations of immigrants who haven’t broken any laws other than immigration laws.

Again, what courts (plural) have been defied? As I stated on the 2.0 thread, for all the bluster by the left of Trump ignoring court orders, and the bluster on the right about the Trump admin should ignore court orders, what single court has the Trump admin been ruled to have wrongfully ignored? Boasberg a few days ago acknowledged himself he didn’t have the power to block flights out of his jurisdiction due to the SCOTUS ruling from a few weeks ago.
https://nypost.com/2025/04/18/us-news/f ... emies-act/
If that’s the case, the Trump admin can‘t very well be held In contempt for ignoring that original order in early April that SCOTUS later ruled the judge didn’t have the authority to order.

[UNI88]

Some loud voices in MAGA world are starting to decry Trump’s immigration policies

Again, what courts (plural) have been defied? As I stated on the 2.0 thread, for all the bluster by the left of Trump ignoring court orders. what court has the Trump admin wrongfully ignored? Boasberg a few days ago acknowledged himself he didn’t have the power to block flights out of his jurisdiction due to the SCOTUS ruling from a few weeks ago.
https://nypost.com/2025/04/18/us-news/f ... emies-act/
If that’s the case, the Trump admin can‘t very well be held In contempt for ignoring an order that SCOTUS later ruled the judge didn’t have the authority to order.

Your MO is to try and drag things down into the weeds so you can distract attention from the bigger issues.

Some loud voices in MAGA world are starting to decry Trump’s immigration policies

[BDKJMU]

Again, what courts (plural) have been defied? As I stated on the 2.0 thread, for all the bluster by the left of Trump ignoring court orders. what court has the Trump admin wrongfully ignored? Boasberg a few days ago acknowledged himself he didn’t have the power to block flights out of his jurisdiction due to the SCOTUS ruling from a few weeks ago.
https://nypost.com/2025/04/18/us-news/f ... emies-act/
If that’s the case, the Trump admin can‘t very well be held In contempt for ignoring an order that SCOTUS later ruled the judge didn’t have the authority to order.

Your MO is to try and drag things down into the weeds so you can distract attention from the bigger issues.

Some loud voices in MAGA world are starting to decry Trump’s immigration policies

Rogan isn‘t MAGA.
I heard Kennedy’s interview. Sen Kennedy said Garicia‘s deportation TO EL SALVADOR was a screwup, not that it was a screw up to deport him.
None of the campus crazy antisemites have been deported.

[UNI88]

Your MO is to try and drag things down into the weeds so you can distract attention from the bigger issues.

Some loud voices in MAGA world are starting to decry Trump’s immigration policies

Rogan isn‘t MAGA.
I heard Kennedy’s interview. Sen Kennedy said Garicia‘s deportation TO EL SALVADOR was a screwup, not that it was a screw up to deport him.
None of the campus crazy antisemites have been deported.

Rogan isn't MAQA like Bobsqat isn't MAQA.

Why don't trump and his sycophants admit that deporting him to El Salvador was a screwup?

If protesting in favor of Palestinian rights makes students "crazy antisemites" then everything trump has done makes him and his followers Nazi extremist fanatics.

Bottom line: trump is pushing the envelope with the implementation of his EOs and risks alienating the swing voters who got him and many Congresspeople elected.

[Bobcat]

Bottom line is they guy was illegal, he isnt an American and hes back home. Anything else is just little fan bois crying because their party can kill more Americans with their immigration policies.

You made the mess, Im not listening to one fucking thing about how it gets cleaned up. Nothing is off the table

Nothing

[SeattleGriz]

Trump Attacks the Supreme Court, Says America ‘Cannot Give Everyone a Trial’

The president claimed it would be impossible to extend due process rights — as required under the Fifth Amendment — to all of the immigrants he wants to deport.

“We cannot give everyone a trial, because to do so would take, without exaggeration, 200 years,” he wrote. “We would need hundreds of thousands of trials for the hundreds of thousands of Illegals we are sending out of the Country. Such a thing is not possible to do. What a ridiculous situation we are in.”

Sorry donny but you don't get to unilaterally decide whether they have a right to due process or not.

If you can't give it to all of them, maybe you should focus on the "worst of the worst" to get rid of the truly violent criminals first.

As usual, you were quiet under previous Presidents and their lack of "due process". We all know TDS has driven you off the deep end.

[UNI88]

Abrego Garcia inflames Trump tensions with some conservatives, libertarians

Fein said the Constitution does not draw a distinction between U.S. citizens and persons who are not citizens living in the United States when it comes to granting due process under the law.

“Conservatives believe in due process,” said Fein, who added that he would not have any problem with Abrego Garcia’s deportation if the Trump administration had obtained a deportation order.

But he took issue with the administration ignoring the October 2019 ruling by an immigration judge who ordered a withholding of removal for Abrego Garcia because he had a “well-grounded fear” of future persecution in his native El Salvador.

“The Trump administration didn’t appeal that,” he said. “There’s a process by which you decide whether they’re here illegally or not. Just like I believe if you’re accused of first-degree murder, we don’t send you out and shoot you in the head before a trial.”

Fein noted the Constitution draws a distinction between U.S. citizens and persons living in the United States on some rights but makes no such distinction when it comes to guaranteeing due process.

“Suppose that wasn’t true and you’re not a citizen and not a person protected by the law, anybody could walk up and shoot you in the head and that would be legal. We’re not that brutal,” he said.
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Thomas Berry, the director of the Robert A. Levy Center for Constitutional Studies at the Cato Institute, a think tank dedicated to moving public policy in the direction of individual liberty, limited government and free markets, said he has serious concerns about the Trump administration’s handling of the Abrego Garcia case.

Berry, who describes himself as a libertarian, said he’s “extremely concerned.”

“I think the government has shown somewhat shocking lack of care in the case, lack of attention to due process. Without explicitly disregarding the Supreme Court’s order, they’re pushing to the absolute outer limits what can plausibly be a good-faith view of the Supreme Court’s order,” he said.

[BDKJMU]

Abrego Garcia inflames Trump tensions with some conservatives, libertarians

Fein said the Constitution does not draw a distinction between U.S. citizens and persons who are not citizens living in the United States when it comes to granting due process under the law.

“Conservatives believe in due process,” said Fein, who added that he would not have any problem with Abrego Garcia’s deportation if the Trump administration had obtained a deportation order.

But he took issue with the administration ignoring the October 2019 ruling by an immigration judge who ordered a withholding of removal for Abrego Garcia because he had a “well-grounded fear” of future persecution in his native El Salvador.

“The Trump administration didn’t appeal that,” he said. “There’s a process by which you decide whether they’re here illegally or not. Just like I believe if you’re accused of first-degree murder, we don’t send you out and shoot you in the head before a trial.”

Fein noted the Constitution draws a distinction between U.S. citizens and persons living in the United States on some rights but makes no such distinction when it comes to guaranteeing due process.

“Suppose that wasn’t true and you’re not a citizen and not a person protected by the law, anybody could walk up and shoot you in the head and that would be legal. We’re not that brutal,” he said.
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Thomas Berry, the director of the Robert A. Levy Center for Constitutional Studies at the Cato Institute, a think tank dedicated to moving public policy in the direction of individual liberty, limited government and free markets, said he has serious concerns about the Trump administration’s handling of the Abrego Garcia case.

Berry, who describes himself as a libertarian, said he’s “extremely concerned.”

“I think the government has shown somewhat shocking lack of care in the case, lack of attention to due process. Without explicitly disregarding the Supreme Court’s order, they’re pushing to the absolute outer limits what can plausibly be a good-faith view of the Supreme Court’s order,” he said.

Stopped reading right there because they had 2 prior deportation orders on Garcia. One of them was for anywhere but El Salvador.

[BDKJMU]

[Bobcat]

Every last bit of this is on Biden and whoever was running the country. They created this so any and all "mistakes" we make cleaning it up are on them.

If they didn't allow 20 million plus into this country illegally we wouldn't have to clean it up and wouldn't be here right now.

[BDKJMU]

Yeah, makes total sense.

[UNI88]

Trump-appointed judge says president’s use of Alien Enemies Act is unlawful in first-of-its-kind ruling

US District Judge Fernando Rodriguez of the Southern District of Texas said Trump had unlawfully invoked the sweeping 18th century wartime authority to speed up some deportations. His decision means Trump cannot rely on the law to detain or deport any alleged members of the Venezuelan gang Tren de Aragua within his district.
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The Trump administration, Rodriguez wrote, does “not possess the lawful authority under the AEA, and based on the Proclamation, to detain Venezuelan aliens, transfer them within the United States, or remove them from the country.”

“The President cannot summarily declare that a foreign nation or government has threatened or perpetrated an invasion or predatory incursion of the United States, followed by the identification of the alien enemies subject to detention or removal,” the judge wrote.

He continued: “Allowing the President to unilaterally define the conditions when he may invoke the AEA, and then summarily declare that those conditions exist, would remove all limitations to the Executive Branch’s authority under the AEA, and would strip the courts of their traditional role of interpreting Congressional statutes to determine whether a government official has exceeded the statute’s scope. The law does not support such a position.”

Although Trump’s use of the Alien Enemies Act has been litigated in multiple courts nationwide, including the Supreme Court, Rodriguez is the first judge to have reached a final decision on the merits.
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The administration is likely to appeal Rodriguez’s ruling to the conservative 5th US Circuit Court of Appeals, and it’s possible the case could eventually land before the Supreme Court.

[UNI88]

Trump administration considering labeling some suspected cartel and gang members inside the US as ‘enemy combatants’

Lawyers and policy folks like me said that it was nuts and that they’d never meet the legal definition, and if we started treating migrants like terrorists it wouldn’t just be a slippery slope – it would be a f**king mudslide into illegality and police state behavior.

Miles Taylor, former Department of Homeland Security official

[Caribbean Hen]

according to TDS courts, if you're Joey Rotten Biden it lawful to be unlawful..... what they did by orchestrating this disaster for votes is treasonous

and it you're Trump its unlawful to be lawful ....

complete double standard and only because Trump is orange and mean but always right

[UNI88]

according to TDS courts, if you're Joey Rotten Biden it lawful to be unlawful..... what they did by orchestrating this disaster for votes is treasonous

and it you're Trump its unlawful to be lawful ....

complete double standard and only because Trump is orange and mean but always right

And Jewish space lasers directed hurricanes to hit MAQA yahoos areas of the country.

[UNI88]

Let's kneecap America's future innovation by switching the magnet from attracting the world's best and brightest to repelling them. Brilliant strategy.

[UNI88]