When socialism comes to America..

[Caribbean Hen]

“Seattle Mayor-elect Katie Wilson, 43, said now that she has been elected mayor and is earning more money as a result, she no longer needs to ask her parents for help to pay the bills.”

Outgoing seattle mayor salary is $230k. That's a nice crib, well stocked with hummus for katie.

She’s not alone. Capitalism brought you the high cost of living in Seattle. My SiL rents a decent older home in Kirkland to be close to her kids. $4000/month. Her solid 6 figure salary with Expedia renders her working class.

This is why the likes of Mamdani and Wilson won.

What did the voters win exactly?

[kalm]

She’s not alone. Capitalism brought you the high cost of living in Seattle. My SiL rents a decent older home in Kirkland to be close to her kids. $4000/month. Her solid 6 figure salary with Expedia renders her working class.

This is why the likes of Mamdani and Wilson won.

What did the voters win exactly?

That obviously remains to be seen. Winning elections is one thing, running a city is a whole other ball of wax. But lower cost of living and improvements that benefit the working class are the goal.

[Caribbean Hen]

What did the voters win exactly?

That obviously remains to be seen. Winning elections is one thing, running a city is a whole other ball of wax. But lower cost of living and improvements that benefit the working class are the goal.

Right, was hoping you would tell us just how they were going to do it

[kalm]

That obviously remains to be seen. Winning elections is one thing, running a city is a whole other ball of wax. But lower cost of living and improvements that benefit the working class are the goal.

Right, was hoping you would tell us just how they were going to do it

Don’t be lazy.

https://www.democracycollaborative.org/ ... y-policies

[Caribbean Hen]

Right, was hoping you would tell us just how they were going to do it

Don’t be lazy.

https://www.democracycollaborative.org/ ... y-policies

Honestly, Nyc is very overrated. If these younger people want a better life, they should get the heck out of there.

[BDKJMU]

Right, was hoping you would tell us just how they were going to do it

Don’t be lazy.

https://www.democracycollaborative.org/ ... y-policies

Lol at rent control.

You want to lower the price of something you have to make more of it available. Econ 101. All rent control does is restrict supply. Ex last Thur on Clay and Buck, Buck was talking about how there’s 50k unoccupied housing units in NYC due to a state of disrepair. And they are going to remain unoccupied in a state of disrepair because it’s not economically worthwhile for the owners to do the repairs to make them livable because of the expense ( NYC very expensive to get anything built) and laws that have been passed capping the rent.

Lol at govt run grocery stores. Been a failure everywhere it’s been tried.

lol at free busses, ie filthy mobile homeless shelters. How are they going to pay for it?

Free universal child care. How are they gonna pay for it?

NYC is already broke with massive wealth flight the last 5 years, and he thinks he can just raise taxes to pay for his socialist utopian ideas.

Edit: And your link left off the other nutty stuff Mancommie has proposed:
-The ‘abolition of private property‘
-White people paying higher taxes.
-Defunding the police and replacing them with social workers.
-Eliminating prisons.

[Caribbean Hen]

Don’t be lazy.

https://www.democracycollaborative.org/ ... y-policies

Lol at rent control.

You want to lower the price of something you have to make more of it available. Econ 101. All rent control does is restrict supply. Ex last Thur on Clay and Buck, Buck was talking about how there’s 50k unoccupied housing units in NYC due to a state of disrepair. And they are going to remain unoccupied in a state of disrepair because it’s not economically worthwhile for the owners to do the repairs to make them livable because of the expense ( NYC very expensive to get anything built) and laws that have been passed capping the rent.

Lol at govt run grocery stores. Been a failure everywhere it’s been tried.

lol at free busses, ie filthy mobile homeless shelters. How are they going to pay for it?

Free universal child care. How are they gonna pay for it?

Yep

The owners should sell their crap hole apartments and go to Florida and buy two houses and rent them

[UNI88]

Don’t be lazy.

https://www.democracycollaborative.org/ ... y-policies

Lol at rent control.

You want to lower the price of something you have to make more of it available. Econ 101. All rent control does is restrict supply. Ex last Thur on Clay and Buck, Buck was talking about how there’s 50k unoccupied housing units in NYC due to a state of disrepair. And they are going to remain unoccupied in a state of disrepair because it’s not economically worthwhile for the owners to do the repairs to make them livable because of the expense ( NYC very expensive to get anything built) and laws that have been passed capping the rent.

Lol at govt run grocery stores. Been a failure everywhere it’s been tried.

lol at free busses, ie filthy mobile homeless shelters. How are they going to pay for it?

Free universal child care. How are they gonna pay for it?

NYC is already broke with massive wealth flight the last 5 years, and he thinks he can just raise taxes to pay for his socialist utopian ideas.

Edit: And your link left off the other nutty stuff Mancommie has proposed:
-The ‘abolition of private property‘
-White people paying higher taxes.
-Defunding the police and replacing them with social workers.
-Eliminating prisons.

Intel, MP Materials, Lithium Americas and Trilogy Metals are headed to hell in a handbasket thanks to the socialist in the White House.

[kalm]

Don’t be lazy.

https://www.democracycollaborative.org/ ... y-policies

Lol at rent control.

You want to lower the price of something you have to make more of it available. Econ 101. All rent control does is restrict supply. Ex last Thur on Clay and Buck, Buck was talking about how there’s 50k unoccupied housing units in NYC due to a state of disrepair. And they are going to remain unoccupied in a state of disrepair because it’s not economically worthwhile for the owners to do the repairs to make them livable because of the expense ( NYC very expensive to get anything built) and laws that have been passed capping the rent.

Lol at govt run grocery stores. Been a failure everywhere it’s been tried.

lol at free busses, ie filthy mobile homeless shelters. How are they going to pay for it?

Free universal child care. How are they gonna pay for it?

NYC is already broke with massive wealth flight the last 5 years, and he thinks he can just raise taxes to pay for his socialist utopian ideas.

Edit: And your link left off the other nutty stuff Mancommie has proposed:
-The ‘abolition of private property‘
-White people paying higher taxes.
-Defunding the police and replacing them with social workers.
-Eliminating prisons.

There are so many suspicious accusations in his font jnow where to start. So I won’t.

(The last four…. )

[BDKJMU]

Lol at rent control.

You want to lower the price of something you have to make more of it available. Econ 101. All rent control does is restrict supply. Ex last Thur on Clay and Buck, Buck was talking about how there’s 50k unoccupied housing units in NYC due to a state of disrepair. And they are going to remain unoccupied in a state of disrepair because it’s not economically worthwhile for the owners to do the repairs to make them livable because of the expense ( NYC very expensive to get anything built) and laws that have been passed capping the rent.

Lol at govt run grocery stores. Been a failure everywhere it’s been tried.

lol at free busses, ie filthy mobile homeless shelters. How are they going to pay for it?

Free universal child care. How are they gonna pay for it?

NYC is already broke with massive wealth flight the last 5 years, and he thinks he can just raise taxes to pay for his socialist utopian ideas.

Edit: And your link left off the other nutty stuff Mancommie has proposed:
-The ‘abolition of private property‘
-White people paying higher taxes.
-Defunding the police and replacing them with social workers.
-Eliminating prisons.

There are so many suspicious accusations in his font jnow where to start. So I won’t.

(The last four…. )

Socialist Zohran Mamdani called for ‘abolition of private property,’ resurfaced video shows
https://nypost.com/2025/07/17/us-news/r ... -property/

Tax the Whites: Mamdani pitches race-based property tax rates for New York City
https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/20 ... rates-new/

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[kalm]

There are so many suspicious accusations in his font jnow where to start. So I won’t.

(The last four…. )

Socialist Zohran Mamdani called for ‘abolition of private property,’ resurfaced video shows
https://nypost.com/2025/07/17/us-news/r ... -property/

Tax the Whites: Mamdani pitches race-based property tax rates for New York City
https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/20 ... rates-new/

phpBB [video]

I listened to Jack Posobiec ask him a question about it. He confirmed that’s not his proposed policy nor what he said.

Hey…maybe you should fact check your favorite MAGA influencers who live in Uganda.

Then you can post even longer lists of dishonest takes.

[BDKJMU]

Socialist Zohran Mamdani called for ‘abolition of private property,’ resurfaced video shows
https://nypost.com/2025/07/17/us-news/r ... -property/

Tax the Whites: Mamdani pitches race-based property tax rates for New York City
https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/20 ... rates-new/

phpBB [video]

I listened to Jack Posobiec ask him a question about it. He confirmed that’s not his proposed policy nor what he said.

Hey…maybe you should fact check your favorite MAGA influencers who live in Uganda.

Then you can post even longer lists of dishonest takes.

It doesn’t matter what he claims his proposed policy is. at trying to claim he said something else when he REPEATEDLY and plainly said he wants to defund the police, whom he hates. And replace them with social workers. But most of that pie in the sky socialist wish list he won’t be able to implement because of economic realities and state law. But one area the NYC mayor can greatly affect is the police. And it’s clear Mancommie hates the NYPD.. The proof is in the tweets, video clips, past statements. A tiger doesn’t change his stripes. Once a commie, always a commie.

[UNI88]

Trump’s “State Capitalism … a Hybrid Between Socialism and Capitalism” Won’t Make America Great Again

The Journal further argues that Trump is “imitating the Chinese Communist Party by extending political control ever deeper into the economy.” Economist Daniel J. Smith warns that this trajectory “risk[s] leading us down the road to serfdom that Friedrich Hayek warned against in 1944.”

Is that a realistic analysis—authoritarian, semi-socialist, serfdom-bound—and was Childs right? It sure looks that way.

To be clear, Trump is not pursuing traditional socialism, where the means of production are owned by the state. Nor is he trying to copy exactly China’s state capitalism—but he is applying its methods with what the Journal calls “American characteristics.”
...
The Journal’s editorial board labeled the move “a de facto nationalization.” Senator Rand Paul cautioned, “Today it’s Intel, tomorrow it could be any industry. Socialism is literally government control of the means of production.” Cato’s Scott Lincicome described it as “a dangerous turn in American industrial policy. Decades of market-oriented principles have been abandoned in favor of unprecedented government ownership of private enterprise.” Cato’s Ryan Bourne said that Commerce Secretary Howard Lutnick “can deny that this is a step” toward socialism, but “the effect is the president allocating capital through partial nationalization.”
...
“However, all the methods of interventionism are doomed to failure,” said Mises, because the more the government intervenes—e.g., tariffs, subsidies, regulations, price controls, bailouts—the more it distorts the economy and everyday living. “Government control of only a part of prices must result in a state of affairs which—without any exception—everybody considers as absurd and contrary to purpose. Its inevitable result is chaos and social unrest.”

To remedy the problem, the government intervenes again and again, which only compounds the chaos and unrest—all the while blaming capitalism and market failures. Mises called this the path to “socialism by installments.” Hayek described it as the road to serfdom.

“Now that Mr. Trump has crossed the Rubicon, Republicans will have no objection to the federal government expanding state ownership of companies,” Smith warns in the Journal. “Lawmakers will soon argue that if chips and steel are too important to leave to free markets, food and medicine are as well.”

Such policies represent a betrayal of America’s founding principles. The nation was built not on state control but on liberty, private property, and the right to pursue happiness without government coercion. If those ideals are abandoned, state capitalism will not make America great again—it will make it unrecognizable.

[kalm]

Trump’s “State Capitalism … a Hybrid Between Socialism and Capitalism” Won’t Make America Great Again

The Journal further argues that Trump is “imitating the Chinese Communist Party by extending political control ever deeper into the economy.” Economist Daniel J. Smith warns that this trajectory “risk[s] leading us down the road to serfdom that Friedrich Hayek warned against in 1944.”

Is that a realistic analysis—authoritarian, semi-socialist, serfdom-bound—and was Childs right? It sure looks that way.

To be clear, Trump is not pursuing traditional socialism, where the means of production are owned by the state. Nor is he trying to copy exactly China’s state capitalism—but he is applying its methods with what the Journal calls “American characteristics.”
...
The Journal’s editorial board labeled the move “a de facto nationalization.” Senator Rand Paul cautioned, “Today it’s Intel, tomorrow it could be any industry. Socialism is literally government control of the means of production.” Cato’s Scott Lincicome described it as “a dangerous turn in American industrial policy. Decades of market-oriented principles have been abandoned in favor of unprecedented government ownership of private enterprise.” Cato’s Ryan Bourne said that Commerce Secretary Howard Lutnick “can deny that this is a step” toward socialism, but “the effect is the president allocating capital through partial nationalization.”
...
“However, all the methods of interventionism are doomed to failure,” said Mises, because the more the government intervenes—e.g., tariffs, subsidies, regulations, price controls, bailouts—the more it distorts the economy and everyday living. “Government control of only a part of prices must result in a state of affairs which—without any exception—everybody considers as absurd and contrary to purpose. Its inevitable result is chaos and social unrest.”

To remedy the problem, the government intervenes again and again, which only compounds the chaos and unrest—all the while blaming capitalism and market failures. Mises called this the path to “socialism by installments.” Hayek described it as the road to serfdom.

“Now that Mr. Trump has crossed the Rubicon, Republicans will have no objection to the federal government expanding state ownership of companies,” Smith warns in the Journal. “Lawmakers will soon argue that if chips and steel are too important to leave to free markets, food and medicine are as well.”

Such policies represent a betrayal of America’s founding principles. The nation was built not on state control but on liberty, private property, and the right to pursue happiness without government coercion. If those ideals are abandoned, state capitalism will not make America great again—it will make it unrecognizable.

[kalm]

FDR said similar: “A neccessitous man is not a free man.

[BDKJMU]

FDR said similar: “A neccessitous man is not a free man.

Lol a man who has close to half his income confiscated by the govt isn‘t a free man either.

[kalm]

FDR said similar: “A neccessitous man is not a free man.

Lol a man who has close to half his income confiscated by the govt isn‘t a free man either.

The right has corrupted the meaning of the word freedom.

Especially the deeper philosophical ties.

[BDKJMU]

Lol a man who has close to half his income confiscated by the govt isn‘t a free man either.

The right has corrupted the meaning of the word freedom.

Especially the deeper philosophical ties.

How’s this for philosophy. You shouldn‘t have to pay for the obesity related health care cost of people who are obese because of piss poor dietary habits and sedentary lifestyles because they are fooking lazy. I bet in Norway, despite the cold climate, they don‘t have half the obesity rate of the US. Same for all those other Western countries you compare us to. And as long as we have an obesity rate that is 2-3x them, we‘ll continue spend more $$$ with worse outcomes. Single payer wouldn‘t change that either.

[Caribbean Hen]

The right has corrupted the meaning of the word freedom.

Especially the deeper philosophical ties.

How’s this for philosophy. You shouldn‘t have to pay for the obesity related health care cost of people who are obese because of piss poor dietary habits and sedentary lifestyles because they are fooking lazy. I bet in Norway, despite the cold climate, they don‘t have half the obesity rate of the US. Same for all those other Western countries you compare us to. And as long as we have an obesity rate that is 2-3x them, we‘ll continue spend more $$$ with worse outcomes. Single payer wouldn‘t change that either.

Yep, obesity supported and facilitated by the “kindness” of 60 million on SNAP cards.

Most participants don’t eat healthy and the the other half don’t even need

But Klam gets his jollies from his perceived “kindness” and doesn’t give a crap about how unhealthy these kids eat and how much it will cost to care for all of Klams diabetics going forward

[kalm]

I don’t believe in straight socialism. An overreaching government destroys freedom and democracy as much as an oligarchy. We are a mixed economy and an obviously inefficient one. Well regulated and anti-monopolistic capitalism with a strong social safety net and infrastructure spending is my preference.

Einstein saw this coming with absolute clarity. Prescient.

[Caribbean Hen]

I don’t believe in straight socialism. An overreaching government destroys freedom and democracy as much as an oligarchy. We are a mixed economy and an obviously inefficient one. Well regulated and anti-monopolistic capitalism with a strong social safety net and infrastructure spending is my preference.

Einstein saw this coming with absolute clarity. Prescient.

Or you could just get off your dead ass and take advantage of the tremendous opportunities the United States of America offers and stop with the insufferable hand ringing and crying …. I left Home in 1981 and boarded the Cape May Lewes ferry with absolutely nothing except $1000 I had saved working in my teenager years on the neighbors farm, and realized this is gonna take some time but I need to figure this out…. I’m so thankful for my father for making me realize that you’re gonna have to do this for yourself my son.

We have created a society where everyone wants something given to them and they want it for free and They want it right fucking now….
Just like that dumb little spoiled rotten brat in Willy Wonka …Veruka Salt…. Pathetic

[kalm]

I don’t believe in straight socialism. An overreaching government destroys freedom and democracy as much as an oligarchy. We are a mixed economy and an obviously inefficient one. Well regulated and anti-monopolistic capitalism with a strong social safety net and infrastructure spending is my preference.

Einstein saw this coming with absolute clarity. Prescient.

Or you could just get off your dead ass and take advantage of the tremendous opportunities the United States of America offers and stop with the insufferable hand ringing and crying …. I left Home in 1981 and boarded the Cape May Lewes ferry with absolutely nothing except $1000 I had saved working in my teenager years on the neighbors farm, and realized this is gonna take some time but I need to figure this out…. I’m so thankful for my father for making me realize that you’re gonna have to do this for yourself my son.

We have created a society where everyone wants something given to them and they want it for free and They want it right fucking now….
Just like that dumb little spoiled rotten brat in Willy Wonka …Veruka Salt…. Pathetic

If you just relay the story of your hard work ethic and rewards that came from it that were driven home by your father that would be a compelling post on its own. Sometimes people indeed need to figure it out on their own and receive some benefits from that. Not just gratitude but also fortunate. But that doesn’t mean culture, writ large has to or can be that way.

You just have to go judgmental and ruin a worthy debate because you think you have it all figured out and did it all via your own bootstraps with zero assistance. If that’s the case, you should truly hate guys like Trump, his kids, Kushner, etc.

You simply have no idea what others have gone through or how they ended up where they’re at.

I agree that society is responsible for the situation. Values and principles of work, community, and fair wages that match a middle class cost of living have been replaced by greed, glamour, and a thirst for power over other people. That’s gross.

I’ve witnessed both ends of this spectrum and I too am grateful for the work ethic I was taught but empathize with those who are less fortunate.

[Caribbean Hen]

Or you could just get off your dead ass and take advantage of the tremendous opportunities the United States of America offers and stop with the insufferable hand ringing and crying …. I left Home in 1981 and boarded the Cape May Lewes ferry with absolutely nothing except $1000 I had saved working in my teenager years on the neighbors farm, and realized this is gonna take some time but I need to figure this out…. I’m so thankful for my father for making me realize that you’re gonna have to do this for yourself my son.

We have created a society where everyone wants something given to them and they want it for free and They want it right fucking now….
Just like that dumb little spoiled rotten brat in Willy Wonka …Veruka Salt…. Pathetic

If you just relay the story of your hard work ethic and rewards that came from it that were driven home by your father that would be a compelling post on its own. Sometimes people indeed need to figure it out on their own and receive some benefits from that. Not just gratitude but also fortunate. But that doesn’t mean culture, writ large has to or can be that way.

You just have to go judgmental and ruin a worthy debate because you think you have it all figured out and did it all via your own bootstraps with zero assistance. If that’s the case, you should truly hate guys like Trump, his kids, Kushner, etc.

You simply have no idea what others have gone through or how they ended up where they’re at.

I agree that society is responsible for the situation. Values and principles of work, community, and fair wages that match a middle class cost of living have been replaced by greed, glamour, and a thirst for power over other people. That’s gross.

I’ve witnessed both ends of this spectrum and I too am grateful for the work ethic I was taught but empathize with those who are less fortunate.

I certainly don’t think I have it all figured out and here is the thing…. You don’t need to .. I do believe it takes an incredible amount of knowledge before one realized how dumb you still are

Society has tipped too far to the soft side and when will you stop telling us how much empathy you have? You imply that others that see things totally different from you don’t have it…. That’s just not the case. Way too many bad people will use your empathy against you. Do you have the ability to recognize those people?

[kalm]

If you just relay the story of your hard work ethic and rewards that came from it that were driven home by your father that would be a compelling post on its own. Sometimes people indeed need to figure it out on their own and receive some benefits from that. Not just gratitude but also fortunate. But that doesn’t mean culture, writ large has to or can be that way.

You just have to go judgmental and ruin a worthy debate because you think you have it all figured out and did it all via your own bootstraps with zero assistance. If that’s the case, you should truly hate guys like Trump, his kids, Kushner, etc.

You simply have no idea what others have gone through or how they ended up where they’re at.

I agree that society is responsible for the situation. Values and principles of work, community, and fair wages that match a middle class cost of living have been replaced by greed, glamour, and a thirst for power over other people. That’s gross.

I’ve witnessed both ends of this spectrum and I too am grateful for the work ethic I was taught but empathize with those who are less fortunate.

I certainly don’t think I have it all figured out and here is the thing…. You don’t need to

Society has tipped too far to the soft side and when will you stop telling us him much empathy you have? You imply that others that see things totally different from you don’t have it…. That’s just not the case. Way too many bad people will use your empathy against you. Do you have the ability to recognize those people?

Interesting. Do you consider living in poverty soft?

I will always talk about empathy and kindness. They are virtues. I’m not worried in the least about someone using my own empathy against me. What a weird fear. And yes, I’ve been around the block enough times to recognize bad people. Many of the worst are “successful” professional types like lawyers, city officials, finance people, realtors, developers. Do you give bad people a pass because they’re “successful” and not on public assistance?

[Caribbean Hen]

I certainly don’t think I have it all figured out and here is the thing…. You don’t need to

Society has tipped too far to the soft side and when will you stop telling us him much empathy you have? You imply that others that see things totally different from you don’t have it…. That’s just not the case. Way too many bad people will use your empathy against you. Do you have the ability to recognize those people?

Interesting. Do you consider living in poverty soft?

I will always talk about empathy and kindness. They are virtues. I’m not worried in the least about someone using my own empathy against me. What a weird fear. And yes, I’ve been around the block enough times to recognize bad people. Many of the worst are “successful” professional types like lawyers, city officials, finance people, realtors, developers. Do you give bad people a pass because they’re “successful” and not on public assistance?

Living in poverty should be a motivator

You live and have lived in a totally different environment than I have….

I was very naïve about the ways of the world when I left rural Sussex County but living in Miami, Puerto Rico and NYC have shown me there are a lot of advantage takers in this world and it’s not up to me to support every freaking one of them, especially the ones that are perfectly able to take care of themselves, but choose not to because the government encourage them not to…. For votes

Don’t confuse “successful” with being an elitist white collar snob How many times do I have to criticize these people before you stop making dumb comments and asking dumb questions