...and (as AZ has already noted) the facts quit mattering to Obama before he even got inagurated!Cap'n Cat wrote:...The facts quit mattering halfway into Dubya's administration...
Thanks for the setup, Cap.

...and (as AZ has already noted) the facts quit mattering to Obama before he even got inagurated!Cap'n Cat wrote:...The facts quit mattering halfway into Dubya's administration...

native wrote:...and (as AZ has already noted) the facts quit mattering to Obama before he even got inagurated!Cap'n Cat wrote:...The facts quit mattering halfway into Dubya's administration...![]()
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Thanks for the setup, Cap.

Now THAT is a MUCH more likely scenario.Cap'n Cat wrote:
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I'll charm your pants off, give you a Bud Light, then go all snapping turtle on your ass, get you in a headlock and break you like a stale granola bar.
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Maybe Cheney, but definitely not Rummy...HW hated Rummy....big time rivals back in the '70's...CitadelGrad wrote:I suspect Cheney and Rummy were HW's choices, not W's.

nailed it...AZGrizFan wrote:Agreed, wholeheartedly. The problem was, he picked the wrong two (Cheney, Rummy and not Rice and Powell) to listen to.Appaholic wrote:
I felt this way about Bush as well. But the difference was, at this same juncture in W's 1st term, I was very impressed with the team he had surrounded himself. You don't have to know all the answers yourself, but surround yourself with people who specialize in those arenas. While I didn't agree 100% (who does) with their policy, there was no doubt to that team's political ability & experience...I don't have that same feeling with this administration.....which, who knows, may not be a bad thing considering.....

What in the world would have possessed GW to pick him with THIS background, then?Appaholic wrote:Maybe Cheney, but definitely not Rummy...HW hated Rummy....big time rivals back in the '70's...CitadelGrad wrote:I suspect Cheney and Rummy were HW's choices, not W's.
As veterans of the Ford White House remember, Mr. Rumsfeld was an intense rival of George Bush's, and by all accounts the men had a terrible relationship in the 1970's and 1980's. Bush partisans still say that Mr. Rumsfeld masterminded what became known as the Halloween Massacre, the 1975 Ford cabinet shake-up in which Mr. Rumsfeld jumped from his position as White House chief of staff to become secretary of defense, thereby enhancing his prospects, never realized, of being President Gerald R. Ford's running mate in 1976.
In that same shuffle, Mr. Bush, who had been the chief United States envoy to China, was sidelined as director of central intelligence — a job that took Mr. Bush out of the running for vice president, since at the time C.I.A. directors were thought to have no future in politics.
The defense secretary and the C.I.A. chief soon clashed over the agency's estimates of Soviet military spending. In 1988, when Mr. Bush was the vice president running for president, Mr. Rumsfeld briefly joined the race.
"There's a certain amount of disrespect when Rumsfeld decides to run for president in '88 with a sitting vice president," said James Mann, the author of "Rise of the Vulcans," a history of the current president's war cabinet.
http://www.nytimes.com/2004/05/10/politics/10LETT.html


AZGrizFan wrote:What in the world would have possessed GW to pick him with THIS background, then?Appaholic wrote:
Maybe Cheney, but definitely not Rummy...HW hated Rummy....big time rivals back in the '70's...
As veterans of the Ford White House remember, Mr. Rumsfeld was an intense rival of George Bush's, and by all accounts the men had a terrible relationship in the 1970's and 1980's. Bush partisans still say that Mr. Rumsfeld masterminded what became known as the Halloween Massacre, the 1975 Ford cabinet shake-up in which Mr. Rumsfeld jumped from his position as White House chief of staff to become secretary of defense, thereby enhancing his prospects, never realized, of being President Gerald R. Ford's running mate in 1976.
In that same shuffle, Mr. Bush, who had been the chief United States envoy to China, was sidelined as director of central intelligence — a job that took Mr. Bush out of the running for vice president, since at the time C.I.A. directors were thought to have no future in politics.
The defense secretary and the C.I.A. chief soon clashed over the agency's estimates of Soviet military spending. In 1988, when Mr. Bush was the vice president running for president, Mr. Rumsfeld briefly joined the race.
"There's a certain amount of disrespect when Rumsfeld decides to run for president in '88 with a sitting vice president," said James Mann, the author of "Rise of the Vulcans," a history of the current president's war cabinet.
http://www.nytimes.com/2004/05/10/politics/10LETT.html



ALPHAGRIZ1 wrote:Your hate of people like Reagan and Limbaugh are very telling.
Bottom line is your jealous the left doesnt have anyone like them, you wish they did so you could get your idiotic message out but nobody listens.
Smart people would wonder why this is and figure it out quickly, its content.
Nobody wants what you leftist POS are selling.


ALPHAGRIZ1 wrote:Your hate of people like Reagan and Limbaugh are very telling.
Bottom line is your jealous the left doesnt have anyone like them, you wish they did so you could get your idiotic message out but nobody listens.
Smart people would wonder why this is and figure it out quickly, its content.
Nobody wants what you leftist POS are selling.

Well, with my limited analytical psychological background, I would venture a guess at a way for W to show he's not his father...but Dr. Bench may have to confirm...AZGrizFan wrote:What in the world would have possessed GW to pick him with THIS background, then?Appaholic wrote:
Maybe Cheney, but definitely not Rummy...HW hated Rummy....big time rivals back in the '70's...
As veterans of the Ford White House remember, Mr. Rumsfeld was an intense rival of George Bush's, and by all accounts the men had a terrible relationship in the 1970's and 1980's. Bush partisans still say that Mr. Rumsfeld masterminded what became known as the Halloween Massacre, the 1975 Ford cabinet shake-up in which Mr. Rumsfeld jumped from his position as White House chief of staff to become secretary of defense, thereby enhancing his prospects, never realized, of being President Gerald R. Ford's running mate in 1976.
In that same shuffle, Mr. Bush, who had been the chief United States envoy to China, was sidelined as director of central intelligence — a job that took Mr. Bush out of the running for vice president, since at the time C.I.A. directors were thought to have no future in politics.
The defense secretary and the C.I.A. chief soon clashed over the agency's estimates of Soviet military spending. In 1988, when Mr. Bush was the vice president running for president, Mr. Rumsfeld briefly joined the race.
"There's a certain amount of disrespect when Rumsfeld decides to run for president in '88 with a sitting vice president," said James Mann, the author of "Rise of the Vulcans," a history of the current president's war cabinet.
http://www.nytimes.com/2004/05/10/politics/10LETT.html

I AM McLovin'....Cap'n Cat wrote:
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And Cappy is McLugginAZGrizFan wrote:I AM McLovin'....Cap'n Cat wrote:
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So did Obama's political capital just take a massive hit today when Chicago, the favorite to land the 2016 Olympics was the first city eliminated after Obama flew over there to make a case for the city.TwinTownBisonFan wrote:yeesh - this is politics 101 Travis... look beyond your narrow-ass self-interest and realize reality... Mayor Mike isn't losing... so why should POTUS stick his pecker out have it smashed for a guy with no chance? why waste political capital on a loser?
just because his campaign is pissed they can't beat a popular incumbent isn't a reason to get pissy and whiny...
alright z, i teed this one up... c'mon...

Obama's political capital takes hits with each and every decision he makes.UNHWildCats wrote:So did Obama's political capital just take a massive hit today when Chicago, the favorite to land the 2016 Olympics was the first city eliminated after Obama flew over there to make a case for the city.TwinTownBisonFan wrote:yeesh - this is politics 101 Travis... look beyond your narrow-ass self-interest and realize reality... Mayor Mike isn't losing... so why should POTUS stick his pecker out have it smashed for a guy with no chance? why waste political capital on a loser?
just because his campaign is pissed they can't beat a popular incumbent isn't a reason to get pissy and whiny...
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AZGrizFan wrote:Obama's political capital takes hits with each and every decision he makes.UNHWildCats wrote: So did Obama's political capital just take a massive hit today when Chicago, the favorite to land the 2016 Olympics was the first city eliminated after Obama flew over there to make a case for the city.![]()
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Cap'n Cat wrote:ALPHAGRIZ1 wrote:Your hate of people like Reagan and Limbaugh are very telling.
Bottom line is your jealous the left doesnt have anyone like them, you wish they did so you could get your idiotic message out but nobody listens.
Smart people would wonder why this is and figure it out quickly, its content.
Nobody wants what you leftist POS are selling.
Here's to the left not having anyone like those idiots!
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Nice post! Here is a telling tidbit:ming01 wrote:here's a spot-on article by Richard Cohen on Obama:
http://bismarcktribune.com/news/columni ... 002e0.html