Democrats help people, Republicans are evil

[89Hen]

I guess we have different definitions of "help".

[Chizzang]

I can vouch for blueball's work ethic and his trials and tribulations. I also don't think Brother Chizzang really meant to zing Brother blueballs and get personal. You both have good points and, in the end, the system does work to reward achievers, although not to the extent they desire, often.

Help people if they're down and don't assume every person on food stamps is a lazy azzhole.

Now, smile, shake hands and hit the showers.

True,
In no way was that an attack on Blue - more of an observation that he's coming across in his post as the classic self aggrandized over burdened under appreciated look what I've done for America - I can't believe it treats me this way - douchenozzle...

when I'm pretty sure that's not true

I'm a little over reactive to that whole "I built America all by myself" attitude these days because I've been seeing it more and more and in people who are completely FULL OF SH!T... so it's probably just me reacting to that more than anything about Blue

[kalm]

Seriously, it is good to know how this will help others out. and to all Christian conservatives bitching about paying for it, heed the words of Jesus himself, "TO WHOM MUCH IS GIVEN, MUCH IS REQUIRED." Thank you and have a good freaking day!!!

I don't know about you but I earn(ed) every f-ing dime I have... nobody has given me sh-t.

I own a business (that I bet my life's savings on by funding the seed money myself) and don't have a salary, I pay myself LAST after I sign my employees' checks. I am only paid based on what I produce after all expenses are met. Government compliance costs and taxes are exhorbitant and eat away at my earnings yet I have virtually no say so in how the money I EARN that the government confiscates is spent.

So please tell me again how much I am given... and yes, I PAY for my own health insurance.

The government should work for the achievers, not the other way around, as the framers said it best: the government operates at the consent of the governed, not the other way around.

Jesus was a total pro-labor commie. Talk about being born on third and thinking he hit a triple. "to whom much is given" sure is easy for the son of god to say.

While I admire risk takers like bluballs who I'm sure has earned every cent, Chizzang's point is still a valid criticism. Many business owners view their success as somehow occurring only as a result of their hard work and ingenuity and despite the governmental system they're fortunate enough to exist in. While this sentiment of self reliance has been around forever, I think it really went viral with Reagan and the mythology of supply side economics.

Despite our many problems, compared with much of the rest of the world our system of government is still pretty decent at providing quality infrastructure, an educated workforce, low cost energy, clean air and water, safe food - all the things that both individuals and businesses rely upon to be successful.

And if there's a market for their product, and they weren't there to produce it, someone else would. If they tried to run a similar business in Somalia, all the smarts and work ethic in the world wouldn't do them much good. So to a certain extent, many successful business owners are system quarterbacks.

As for the labor vs. capital side of this arguement, I'll quote a couple of guys a hell of a lot smarter than most of us on the issue:

"Labor is prior to, and independent of, capital. Capital is only the fruit of labor, and could never have existed if labor had not first existed. Labor is the superior of capital, and deserves much the higher consideration."

- Lincoln

"Labour was the first price, the original purchase - money that was paid for all things. It was not by gold or by silver, but by labour, that all wealth of the world was originally purchased. "

-Adam Smith

[AZGrizFan]

While I admire risk takers like bluballs who I'm sure has earned every cent, Chizzang's point is still a valid criticism. Many business owners view their success as somehow occurring only as a result of their hard work and ingenuity and despite the governmental system they're fortunate enough to exist in. While this sentiment of self reliance has been around forever, I think it really went viral with Reagan and the mythology of supply side economics.

Despite our many problems, compared with much of the rest of the world our system of government is still pretty decent at providing quality infrastructure, an educated workforce, low cost energy, clean air and water, safe food - all the things that both individuals and businesses rely upon to be successful.

And if there's a market for their product, and they weren't there to produce it, someone else would. If they tried to run a similar business in Somalia, all the smarts and work ethic in the world wouldn't do them much good. So to a certain extent, many successful business owners are system quarterbacks.

You rave on and on about our system of government, and how fortunate we are to work under that umbrella. That's the same system the liberals are working so hard to dismantle and change. You can't possibly NOT see the irony in that.

[Chizzang]

You rave on and on about our system of government, and how fortunate we are to work under that umbrella. That's the same system the liberals are working so hard to dismantle and change. You can't possibly NOT see the irony in that.

Really..?
So the Wall Street fiasco is a liberal plan..?
So this latest crash is due to Liberal political activities..?

Please explain that very clearly - you have my full attention

[CitadelGrad]

"Labor is prior to, and independent of, capital. Capital is only the fruit of labor, and could never have existed if labor had not first existed. Labor is the superior of capital, and deserves much the higher consideration."

- Lincoln

"Labour was the first price, the original purchase - money that was paid for all things. It was not by gold or by silver, but by labour, that all wealth of the world was originally purchased. "

-Adam Smith

Jesus H. Titty-Fucking Christ, does the word "context" mean anything to you?

[AZGrizFan]

You rave on and on about our system of government, and how fortunate we are to work under that umbrella. That's the same system the liberals are working so hard to dismantle and change. You can't possibly NOT see the irony in that.

Really..?
So the Wall Street fiasco is a liberal plan..?
So this latest crash is due to Liberal political activities..?

Please explain that very clearly - you have my full attention

I'm talking about the incessant conversion to socialism. The elimination of all capitalist tendancies....try to think beyond individual events, Cleetus, and picture the entire system being changed....I thought you were smarter than that.

[Chizzang]

Really..?
So the Wall Street fiasco is a liberal plan..?
So this latest crash is due to Liberal political activities..?

Please explain that very clearly - you have my full attention

I'm talking about the incessant conversion to socialism. The elimination of all capitalist tendancies....

Um...
can you create a list for me...

[AZGrizFan]

I'm talking about the incessant conversion to socialism. The elimination of all capitalist tendancies....

Um...
can you create a list for me...

Nationalized banks
Nationalizing induststry
socialized medicine
Wealth redistribution

Just to name a few....

[native]

I am excited about the new health care bill and find it a gross miscarriage of justice that Republicans want to defeat this. Crooked insurance providers have provided nothing while gaining everything at the expense of Americans over the years. Expanding Medicare for folks to buy in as soon as they reach 55 is a sign that we as a nation are progressing. To the tea bagging crowd, get a life and go home. You who have always drawn VA pensions, thank you for your service, but it's a government ran plan. Same with SS benefits, disability, etc, etc.

Nope, once the black man got in office, THEN you decided to get on your high post all the while you've let a white man **** you for decades and said NOTHING. Now, FINALLY, America may be able to stand head and shoulders with the rest of the developed world when it comes to health care. If this bill does pass, you can BET YOUR ASS Mr. Obama gets another term. Seriously, it is good to know how this will help others out. and to all Christian conservatives bitching about paying for it, heed the words of Jesus himself, "TO WHOM MUCH IS GIVEN, MUCH IS REQUIRED." Thank you and have a good freaking day!!!

Take your meds. This time, without food.

Take the meds. All of them at the same time. Wash them down with a quart of everclear.

[Grizalltheway]

Um...
can you create a list for me...

Nationalized banks
Nationalizing induststry
socialized medicine
Wealth redistribution

Just to name a few....

That was a trend started by CONKS, and you know it.

[Chizzang]

Um...
can you create a list for me...

Nationalized banks
Nationalizing induststry
socialized medicine
Wealth redistribution

Just to name a few....

Nationalizing banks: Fact - More Republicans are for it than Democrats in congress
Nationalizing industry: That's boogyman stuff.. Regulations are not nationalization
Socialized Medicine: Healthcare in this country costs the national debt about 8% - in Socialized Medicine countries Healthcare costs about 11%... Hmmm... we're already 80% of the way there...

Wealth redistribution..? Give me one example - Utter nonsense

[AZGrizFan]

Nationalized banks
Nationalizing induststry
socialized medicine
Wealth redistribution

Just to name a few....

That was a trend started by CONKS, and you know it.

Yes, I DO know that. And most conservatives I know of crucified him for it.

[AZGrizFan]

Nationalized banks
Nationalizing induststry
socialized medicine
Wealth redistribution

Just to name a few....

Nationalizing banks: Fact - More Republicans are for it than Democrats in congress
Nationalizing industry: That's boogyman stuff.. Regulations are not nationalization
Socialized Medicine: Healthcare in this country costs the national debt about 8% - in Socialized Medicine countries Healthcare costs about 11%... Hmmm... we're already 80% of the way there...

Wealth redistribution..? Give me one example - Utter nonsense

Would you like me to rescind the word "liberal" in my original post? Would that make you feel better?

[Chizzang]

Nationalizing banks: Fact - More Republicans are for it than Democrats in congress
Nationalizing industry: That's boogyman stuff.. Regulations are not nationalization
Socialized Medicine: Healthcare in this country costs the national debt about 8% - in Socialized Medicine countries Healthcare costs about 11%... Hmmm... we're already 80% of the way there...

Wealth redistribution..? Give me one example - Utter nonsense

Would you like me to rescind the word "liberal" in my original post? Would that make you feel better?

Meh... not really - I kinda hate all of 'em
The Liberal ones are just as bad once they get into office

[Cap'n Cat]

You rave on and on about our system of government, and how fortunate we are to work under that umbrella. That's the same system the liberals are working so hard to dismantle and change. You can't possibly NOT see the irony in that.

That's a good post, Z. If you're Glenn Beck.

[Cap'n Cat]

Really..?
So the Wall Street fiasco is a liberal plan..?
So this latest crash is due to Liberal political activities..?

Please explain that very clearly - you have my full attention

I'm talking about the incessant conversion to socialism. The elimination of all capitalist tendancies....try to think beyond individual events, Cleetus, and picture the entire system being changed....I thought you were smarter than that.

Ditto.

[native]

Why don't all you donk idiots get together to create your little utopia and leave the rest of us out of it?

[Grizalltheway]

Why don't all you donk idiots get together to create your little utopia and leave the rest of us out of it?

Ok, you conk idiots can have your own little utopia where Wall Street and Walmart are the law of the land.

[Wedgebuster]

I'm a Republican.



No shit!



I been flat broke under any Republican administration, and then remarkably prosperous under the last two Democrat administrations.

Anything wrong with this picture??



Everything's funny when you're makin' money!

[AZGrizFan]

Would you like me to rescind the word "liberal" in my original post? Would that make you feel better?

Meh... not really - I kinda hate all of 'em
The Liberal ones are just as bad once they get into office

And I would tend to agree with you, hence the offer to not differentiate.

[AZGrizFan]

I'm talking about the incessant conversion to socialism. The elimination of all capitalist tendancies....try to think beyond individual events, Cleetus, and picture the entire system being changed....I thought you were smarter than that.

Ditto.

Again, I'm more than willing to lump ALL politicians into this...