Border fence design blasted as causing flooding

[grizzaholic]

Well, he IS a self proclaimed atheist...so I'd have to believe he sees no value in ANY religion.

And don't sell yourself short son, you're a tremendous slouch.

Not true. There is value in some religions. There is little value in catholocism. There is a higher power, it aint IMO the dickhead mass murderer as described in the bible.

And I thought I was mistaken. Here I have been striving to be the most bestest slouch ever and it was all for not.

[dbackjon]

1) Can we hire the Chinese prison labor, now available since the Olympics are over?
2) So you are admiting the Bush Admin did a shitty job in the first place
3) So you are fine with governmental incompetance, and wish to punish those who seek to expose it?
4) Nut kick anyone that supports this idiotic idea in the first place, because it only wastes money, trashes the environment, and solves nothing.

1) Prison labor's cheaper than Border Patrol, who just get shot at, then falsely accused, arrested and prosecuted by both the U.S. and Mexican governments, merely because they actually DID THEIR JOB!!!!!
2) If you're implying that the problems arose from an accelerated construction schedule, then that may absolutely be the case. Any implication that the design faults should somehow be attributed to Bush is mere monkey sputem. Every project has complications and design changes. And after sitting around on our hands for 25 years doing nothing and allowing the illegal immigrant growth to tap into our social programs, thereby depleting national resources which could be better spent on the citizens who pay the taxes, and the "10%" of our society that genuinely needs assistance, education, etc., isn't it about time we actually get off our asses and do something for a change? You know, Jon, maybe if our programs WEREN'T operating beyond their budgetary capacity, there'd be less resistance from capitalists like myself who have been opposed to the same sex marriage amendments. As much of the same sex work "benefit" expense would emanate from government jobs, if govt. had more Gen. Fund capacity, some of these negotiable issues could be mitigated if we weren't paying for an additional 40 million illegals.
3) As for the Monument's monkeys, based on what I read, it appeared they (as with most of those bitching like menopausal women about the fence) have pro-illegal immigrant agendas. Rather than bitching about everything, here's a notion: They should shut the hell up until they can offer a better solution. Oh, and BTW, if they worked in the private sector and had publicly criticized their employer in the press, they would be unemployed the next day. There's nothing honorable about what those chimps did.
4) So, what's the alternative, dback? An open door policy? More Border Patrol agents for the Piece of Shat border area D.A.'s to persecute? A moderated (managed) immigration system, with and exponential increase in enforcement?

1) So you ARE a commie, comrade T-man. Take jobs away from Americans, pay slave wages to prisoners. Bravo, comrade, Bravo!
2) It is BUSH's Fault, for pushing the construction thru before it was fully tested/environmentally reviewed, etc.
3) If this had been a social worker blowing the whistle on welfare fraud, you'd be sending them gifts. FRAUD/INCOMPTETENCE is just that, and deserves to be exposed. These men are genuine American Heroes for exposing this
4) More enforcement, a NATIONAL immigration enforcement/prosecution policy, a broader guest worker policy, putting money wasted in Iraq to help countries like Guetamala, etc, which are a prime source of illegals rebuild and keep citizens home, trade policies that favor those countries instead of your comrades in China

[AZGrizFan]

I wasn't aware Ron Paul had invented the National Guard. Carry on.

Anyways, they're busy defending the nation of Iraq right now....they're busy.

Not what I meant PFL.....he wanted to bring the National Guard home from defending the fine citizens of Iraq and, I don't know, maybe use our national guard to guard our national border...but, you're right, they are too busy currently maintaining the status quo and by fiat from our government....

I'd be all for that, Appy, and if you asked the Nat'l Guard guys, they'd probably be all for it too.

[Appaholic]

Not what I meant PFL.....he wanted to bring the National Guard home from defending the fine citizens of Iraq and, I don't know, maybe use our national guard to guard our national border...but, you're right, they are too busy currently maintaining the status quo and by fiat from our government....

I'd be all for that, Appy, and if you asked the Nat'l Guard guys, they'd probably be all for it too.

I know.....it's a shame.....but Iraq needs Mcdonald's and Pepsico.......

[AZGrizFan]

I'd be all for that, Appy, and if you asked the Nat'l Guard guys, they'd probably be all for it too.

I know.....it's a shame.....but Iraq needs Mcdonald's and Pepsico.......

It's a sad testament to the state of our military (from a readiness perspective) that we have civilians, reservists and national guardsmen doing what regular military used to be responsible for and capable of. I guess we should have done this 15 years ago, when we still were at full strength, military-wise. Then these nat'l guardsmen COULD be doing what they originally signed up to do. And the reservists wouldn't be doing multiple tours.

My buddy (a Navy Commander, up for Captain) with 19 1/2 years in, eligible for retirement in February, just got activated to Iraq for 13 months. He's spent 13 years in the reserves and never been activated, but now 6 months from retirement and they send him over to the sandbox.

[Appaholic]

I know.....it's a shame.....but Iraq needs Mcdonald's and Pepsico.......

It's a sad testament to the state of our military (from a readiness perspective) that we have civilians, reservists and national guardsmen doing what regular military used to be responsible for and capable of. I guess we should have done this 15 years ago, when we still were at full strength, military-wise. Then these nat'l guardsmen COULD be doing what they originally signed up to do. And the reservists wouldn't be doing multiple tours.

My buddy (a Navy Commander, up for Captain) with 19 1/2 years in, eligible for retirement in February, just got activated to Iraq for 13 months. He's spent 13 years in the reserves and never been activated, but now 6 months from retirement and they send him over to the sandbox.

I agree 100%......that really sucks for your buddy.....have no problem with reservists doing multiple tours....on OUR land protecting OUR shores......the army, navy, etc were set up to fight foreign battles, national (and roginally state guards) were established to address needs within our borders....

[Col Hogan]

The National Guard, unless it is federalized (and then it's THE ARMY) belongs to the governor of each state...in other words, the governor is the Commander-In Chief of their National Guard...

As such, each governor is entitled to use their National Guard as they see fit...with one caveat...

Unless they are federalized, the state must pay the wages of those National Guard troops...

Thus, governors are really hesitant to use the National Guard except in dire emergencies...such as floods, tornados, hurricanes...and if a national disaster is declared, the federal government can then pick up the tab...

So, the use the National Guard on the border is a simple issue...federalize them...take them away from the governors, and put them on the borders...

Wait...there's a hitch there too...the border states don't have enough National Guard troops alone to do the mission in an on-going fashion...you'll burn them out just like they are being burned out with deployments to Iraq and Afghanistan...so you have to get guard troops from other states...

Wait, there's a hitch there too...those states want to keep their guard troops in state for floods, fires, tornados, hurricanes...

There's also the $$$$ involved...if the feds federalize the troops, we have to increase the budget of the Army to pay for the extra troops...those who went down for the temporary Bush-led border effort were put up in hotels, etc...very expensive...

If you are going to do this on a full-time basis, we need to build infastructure along the border where it doesn't exist...there are places where there are military bases on or very near the border...but there are huge gaps where there is no near-by military infrastructure...(I'm not talking about the little places where the local National Guard meets...there's no housing, very little vehicle maintenance, supply storage facilities...etc...at those places...)

It can be done.....are we willing to pay the cost???

[D1B]

The National Guard, unless it is federalized (and then it's THE ARMY) belongs to the governor of each state...in other words, the governor is the Commander-In Chief of their National Guard...

As such, each governor is entitled to use their National Guard as they see fit...with one caveat...

Unless they are federalized, the state must pay the wages of those National Guard troops...

Thus, governors are really hesitant to use the National Guard except in dire emergencies...such as floods, tornados, hurricanes...and if a national disaster is declared, the federal government can then pick up the tab...

So, the use the National Guard on the border is a simple issue...federalize them...take them away from the governors, and put them on the borders...

Wait...there's a hitch there too...the border states don't have enough National Guard troops alone to do the mission in an on-going fashion...you'll burn them out just like they are being burned out with deployments to Iraq and Afghanistan...so you have to get guard troops from other states...

Wait, there's a hitch there too...those states want to keep their guard troops in state for floods, fires, tornados, hurricanes...

There's also the $$$$ involved...if the feds federalize the troops, we have to increase the budget of the Army to pay for the extra troops...those who went down for the temporary Bush-led border effort were put up in hotels, etc...very expensive...

If you are going to do this on a full-time basis, we need to build infastructure along the border where it doesn't exist...there are places where there are military bases on or very near the border...but there are huge gaps where there is no near-by military infrastructure...(I'm not talking about the little places where the local National Guard meets...there's no housing, very little vehicle maintenance, supply storage facilities...etc...at those places...)

It can be done.....are we willing to pay the cost???

We should keep it private. Military is poorly run and starving mexicans would kick the shit out of our troops, just like the Afghani nomads and piss poor Iraqis are doing right now.

America is paper tiger.

[D1B]

The National Guard, unless it is federalized (and then it's THE ARMY) belongs to the governor of each state...in other words, the governor is the Commander-In Chief of their National Guard...

As such, each governor is entitled to use their National Guard as they see fit...with one caveat...

Unless they are federalized, the state must pay the wages of those National Guard troops...

Thus, governors are really hesitant to use the National Guard except in dire emergencies...such as floods, tornados, hurricanes...and if a national disaster is declared, the federal government can then pick up the tab...

So, the use the National Guard on the border is a simple issue...federalize them...take them away from the governors, and put them on the borders...

Wait...there's a hitch there too...the border states don't have enough National Guard troops alone to do the mission in an on-going fashion...you'll burn them out just like they are being burned out with deployments to Iraq and Afghanistan...so you have to get guard troops from other states...

Wait, there's a hitch there too...those states want to keep their guard troops in state for floods, fires, tornados, hurricanes...

There's also the $$$$ involved...if the feds federalize the troops, we have to increase the budget of the Army to pay for the extra troops...those who went down for the temporary Bush-led border effort were put up in hotels, etc...very expensive...

If you are going to do this on a full-time basis, we need to build infastructure along the border where it doesn't exist...there are places where there are military bases on or very near the border...but there are huge gaps where there is no near-by military infrastructure...(I'm not talking about the little places where the local National Guard meets...there's no housing, very little vehicle maintenance, supply storage facilities...etc...at those places...)

It can be done.....are we willing to pay the cost???

Don't forget about benefits. Veterans cost us billions each year. Every time one of em gets a hangnail, it costs the taxpayers millions of dollars in healthcare costs, psychiatric treatment, prosthetic fingernails, and emergency services and police work when they inevitably end up on the streets, homeless.

[Col Hogan]

You have gotta luv consistancy......

[AZGrizFan]

The National Guard, unless it is federalized (and then it's THE ARMY) belongs to the governor of each state...in other words, the governor is the Commander-In Chief of their National Guard...

As such, each governor is entitled to use their National Guard as they see fit...with one caveat...

Unless they are federalized, the state must pay the wages of those National Guard troops...

Thus, governors are really hesitant to use the National Guard except in dire emergencies...such as floods, tornados, hurricanes...and if a national disaster is declared, the federal government can then pick up the tab...

So, the use the National Guard on the border is a simple issue...federalize them...take them away from the governors, and put them on the borders...

Wait...there's a hitch there too...the border states don't have enough National Guard troops alone to do the mission in an on-going fashion...you'll burn them out just like they are being burned out with deployments to Iraq and Afghanistan...so you have to get guard troops from other states...

Wait, there's a hitch there too...those states want to keep their guard troops in state for floods, fires, tornados, hurricanes...

There's also the $$$$ involved...if the feds federalize the troops, we have to increase the budget of the Army to pay for the extra troops...those who went down for the temporary Bush-led border effort were put up in hotels, etc...very expensive...

If you are going to do this on a full-time basis, we need to build infastructure along the border where it doesn't exist...there are places where there are military bases on or very near the border...but there are huge gaps where there is no near-by military infrastructure...(I'm not talking about the little places where the local National Guard meets...there's no housing, very little vehicle maintenance, supply storage facilities...etc...at those places...)

It can be done.....are we willing to pay the cost???

Don't forget about benefits. Veterans cost us billions each year. Every time one of em gets a hangnail, it costs the taxpayers millions of dollars in healthcare costs, psychiatric treatment, prosthetic fingernails, and emergency services and police work when they inevitably end up on the streets, homeless.

AZGrizFan strolls by the trap, not taking the bait....

[D1B]

Don't forget about benefits. Veterans cost us billions each year. Every time one of em gets a hangnail, it costs the taxpayers millions of dollars in healthcare costs, psychiatric treatment, prosthetic fingernails, and emergency services and police work when they inevitably end up on the streets, homeless.

AZGrizFan strolls by the trap, not taking the bait....

No trap. Gross exaggeration? Of course.

V benefits are something people dont take into account when talking about increasing the size of the military.

Idea. Why don't we hire illegals to patrol the border. They're battle hardened from running drugs and they'll work for practically nothing. Plus they'll be tough as shit on their amigos as soon as they're in the clear with a job and authority. Kinda like when a black person becomes successful - they immediatly forget where they came from and treat those still in the hood like crap.