Texas needs to go ahead and secede

[houndawg]

I didn't miss jack squat. News flash for you: TX has a LOWER % of its counties with disaster declarations in any given year than a lot of other states. So TX local/state resources are just as good or better than a lot of other states.

So you got a link for your one inch of rain claim? I don't think so. I lived in TX for a couple of years 00'-02' and never heard of county having a disaster declared because of an inch of rain (or 2 or 3). Certainly not either of the ones I lived in or a 3rd I worked in. Guess you're just pulling that one out of your arse as per your usual MO.

He must have quite a big arse because that was a huge one he pulled about disaster declarations...

I worked with the Texas Department of Emergency Management from 99 to 02...the Emergency Operations Center was opened rarely...once during a hurricane...once during the tropical storm that flooded Houston...

I don't really like Texas, and usually won't defend it...but that was one whopper, 'dawg

Nope, the big arse is the one you're using to speak. 13 major disaster declarations since the guv took over in 2001, according to FEMA's website. Read it and weep.

[BDKJMU]

You didn't say when or what poll. You just said 22%. If you want to play that game then I could talk about Obama having a 37% approval rating. After all, on about 1/2 doz days in Jan and 10 days in Feb Rasmussen daily tracking had him between 37-39%.
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_ ... ex_history" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

If you're going to throw out some specific #, then you need to state what poll and when.

I wasn't throwing out any polls... I was just stating what Bush's bottom was.

And, you should relook at that Rasmussen page. He doesn't have him between 37-39% at all. Not sure what you're looking at. But you should be looking at the "Total Approve" column... and he's not 37-39%. The lowest I see is one day at 43%.

Ok- It wasn't clear you were referring to Bush's bottom.

You're right about the Rasmussen page. 4 columns laid out closely together side by side. I got the "Total Approval" and "Strongly Disapprove" columns mixed up. My bad.

[BDKJMU]

He must have quite a big arse because that was a huge one he pulled about disaster declarations...

I worked with the Texas Department of Emergency Management from 99 to 02...the Emergency Operations Center was opened rarely...once during a hurricane...once during the tropical storm that flooded Houston...

I don't really like Texas, and usually won't defend it...but that was one whopper, 'dawg

Nope, the big arse is the one you're using to speak. 13 major disaster declarations since the guv took over in 2001, according to FEMA's website. Read it and weep.

How thick are you? Texas has the 2nd biggest population. They have the largest # of counties in the nation. So OF COURSE they are going to be at or near the top in disaster declarations. Do you have anything else profound to add Capt Obvious?

You live in Illinois? Well,
Illinois with a population 12,910,409 (09' census estimate (wiki)) with 48 declarations = one declaration for about every 269,000 people.
Texas with a population of 24,782,302 (09' census estimate (wiki)) with 83 declarations = one declaration for about every 299,000 people.

Yep, that's right, Illinois, has a higher per capita # of disaster declarations than Texas.So when are you going to start bitching about Illinois? So when are you going to start complaining about IL lack of local/state ability to deal with disasters due to lack of funding since you seem to have such a problem with Texas's?

For that matter, the only states that have a lower # of disaster declarations per capita # of are CA, NY, NJ and maybe one or 2 others.
http://www.fema.gov/news/disaster_totals_annual.fema" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

That's right. TEXAS HAS ONE OF THE LOWEST NUMBER OF DISASTER DECLARATIONS PER CAPITA OF ANY STATE

As you stated, read it and weep.

disasters get declared when the local (state) resources are overwhelmed, which takes about an inch of rain because of lack of funding.

Still waiting for your source for a disaster being declared in TX because of an inch of rain. I have a feeling you can't provide one..

[ALPHAGRIZ1]

Nobody has provided one legitimate argument to the original point of this thread because they cant.

All of this spin is just to try and save face over the FACT that true conservative principles are effective when running a state. Liberal principles get you NY and CA and people are fleeing those states at an alarming rate even though the pop in CA wont go down due to the heavy flow of illegals we keep letting in here to ruin our economy by design.

[CatMom]

My kids went to school in Texas and, if not for me, they would know less about US History than kids going to school anywhere else in the US. They're more stuck on Texas History than anything, so I doubt it will make much difference. What they just approved is more appalling than unexpected. Bush was awful for Texas and Perry is just as bad or worse. If you don't live here you have no real clue, so STFU

As for the disasters thing? If you know anything about TX topography then you would know we have TORNADO Alleys, Hurricanes hit the coast and yes, lots of flooding. You get past the coastal plains and the piney woods and the ground is limestone (and other forms of hard rock) from 6-12 inches below the dirt and grass. Having little to no change of seasons and weeks to months of hot dry weather, then comes a storm laying 6-8 inches of rain in a short timespan leads to flooding. Dry, rock laden creek beds with no place for the water to go but up. It has flooded, significantly, 3-4 times in Austin since I've been here. Yes, Austin. Every time we have weather like that and then heavy rains, there is a chance of it recurring.(my front and back yards flood but the house is on the upper part of an incline - thankfully)
I live 30 miles from where practically an entire town was wiped out by a tornado and one entire development in that community was obliterated.

[dbackjon]

Nobody has provided one legitimate argument to the original point of this thread because they cant.

All of this spin is just to try and save face over the FACT that true conservative principles are effective when running a state. Liberal principles get you NY and CA and people are fleeing those states at an alarming rate even though the pop in CA wont go down due to the heavy flow of illegals we keep letting in here to ruin our economy by design.

Still waiting for you to:

a) Show how Texas is well run
b) How conservative principals contribute to that
c) And why is a state that has even more conservative governance, Arizona, more screwed up than CA or NY.

[houndawg]

Nope, the big arse is the one you're using to speak. 13 major disaster declarations since the guv took over in 2001, according to FEMA's website. Read it and weep.

How thick are you? Texas has the 2nd biggest population. They have the largest # of counties in the nation. So OF COURSE they are going to be at or near the top in disaster declarations. Do you have anything else profound to add Capt Obvious?

You live in Illinois? Well,
Illinois with a population 12,910,409 (09' census estimate (wiki)) with 48 declarations = one declaration for about every 269,000 people.
Texas with a population of 24,782,302 (09' census estimate (wiki)) with 83 declarations = one declaration for about every 299,000 people.

Yep, that's right, Illinois, has a higher per capita # of disaster declarations than Texas.So when are you going to start bitching about Illinois? So when are you going to start complaining about IL lack of local/state ability to deal with disasters due to lack of funding since you seem to have such a problem with Texas's?

For that matter, the only states that have a lower # of disaster declarations per capita # of are CA, NY, NJ and maybe one or 2 others.
http://www.fema.gov/news/disaster_totals_annual.fema" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

That's right. TEXAS HAS ONE OF THE LOWEST NUMBER OF DISASTER DECLARATIONS PER CAPITA OF ANY STATE

As you stated, read it and weep.

disasters get declared when the local (state) resources are overwhelmed, which takes about an inch of rain because of lack of funding.

Still waiting for your source for a disaster being declared in TX because of an inch of rain. I have a feeling you can't provide one..

You simply don't get it, Charles. Texas is talking about secession, but the guy leading the talk can't do anything in a disaster but call for help from the evil feds because of his own lack of planning.

Now pay attention, son, because I won't always be here to help you through life: SINCE FEMA BEGAN KEEPING RECORDS, TEXAS HAS RECEIVED DISASTER ASSISTANCE MORE TIMES THAN ANY OTHER STATE. So much for the rugged individualist Governor Perry.

Your flimsy case fails once again; you are dismissed. Better luck next time.

[houndawg]

Nobody has provided one legitimate argument to the original point of this thread because they cant.

All of this spin is just to try and save face over the FACT that true conservative principles are effective when running a state. Liberal principles get you NY and CA and people are fleeing those states at an alarming rate even though the pop in CA wont go down due to the heavy flow of illegals we keep letting in here to ruin our economy by design.

You must not have been to Texas recently, it stinks worse than New Jersey and is the most polluted state in the country. Your so-called "point" was DOA.

If Texas secedes they'll be in worse shape than Mexico after the first flood. All because they are so poorly run.

Clueless state guvmint + poorly schooled population = 3rd world country.

And they know it, Alan; I don't think we'll be seeing Texas leave any time soon, sadly to say.

[AZGrizFan]

Nobody has provided one legitimate argument to the original point of this thread because they cant.

All of this spin is just to try and save face over the FACT that true conservative principles are effective when running a state. Liberal principles get you NY and CA and people are fleeing those states at an alarming rate even though the pop in CA wont go down due to the heavy flow of illegals we keep letting in here to ruin our economy by design.

Still waiting for you to:

a) Show how Texas is well run
b) How conservative principals contribute to that
c) And why is a state that has even more conservative governance, Arizona, more screwed up than CA or NY.

Two words: Bull Dyke.

[BDKJMU]

You simply don't get it, Charles. Texas is talking about secession, but the guy leading the talk can't do anything in a disaster but call for help from the evil feds because of his own lack of planning.

Now pay attention, son, because I won't always be here to help you through life: SINCE FEMA BEGAN KEEPING RECORDS, TEXAS HAS RECEIVED DISASTER ASSISTANCE MORE TIMES THAN ANY OTHER STATE. So much for the rugged individualist Governor Perry.

Your flimsy case fails once again; you are dismissed. Better luck next time.

And again Capt Obvious TX is far larger than any of the other lower 48 states with more counties with the #2 population so of course they are going to have more disaster declarations than any other state. Its called have more land and more people.

God you are dense

[BDKJMU]

Nobody has provided one legitimate argument to the original point of this thread because they cant.

All of this spin is just to try and save face over the FACT that true conservative principles are effective when running a state. Liberal principles get you NY and CA and people are fleeing those states at an alarming rate even though the pop in CA wont go down due to the heavy flow of illegals we keep letting in here to ruin our economy by design.

Still waiting for you to:

a) Show how Texas is well run
b) How conservative principals contribute to that
c) And why is a state that has even more conservative governance, Arizona, more screwed up than CA or NY.

Pew Grading the States 2008:
"As a vital component of Pew’s efforts to foster effective solutions to some of America’s most pressing challenges, the Government Performance Project’s Grading the States 2008 report, developed in partnership with Governing Magazine, is an assessment of the quality of management in the 50 states. The report’s findings are generated from extensive interviews and surveys of state-level managers and opinion leaders.

The results reported in Grading the States 2008 reflect the performance of each state as a whole—including the intersection between the executive and legislative branches—not any individual or specific department. The cumulative assessments reflect the leadership and program implementation skills of elected and appointed officials as well as career civil servants and the not-for-profit and private sector providers who partner with states in the execution of policy and programs.

The report examines amd measures four key areas- money, people, infrastructure and information."
http://www.pewcenteronthestates.org/gpp ... _card.aspx" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Only states to receive an A- are VA (I'm from there), Utah, and Washington.
(Since the topic has been TX as you can see on the link below they are in the next group of 5 at B+)
http://www.pewcenteronthestates.org/upl ... rmance.pdf" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

[houndawg]

You simply don't get it, Charles. Texas is talking about secession, but the guy leading the talk can't do anything in a disaster but call for help from the evil feds because of his own lack of planning.

Now pay attention, son, because I won't always be here to help you through life: SINCE FEMA BEGAN KEEPING RECORDS, TEXAS HAS RECEIVED DISASTER ASSISTANCE MORE TIMES THAN ANY OTHER STATE. So much for the rugged individualist Governor Perry.

Your flimsy case fails once again; you are dismissed. Better luck next time.

And again Capt Obvious TX is far larger than any of the other lower 48 states with more counties with the #2 population so of course they are going to have more disaster declarations than any other state. Its called have more land and more people.

God you are dense

You ain't so bright yosef, bobby. Where do you get this nonsense that more counties equals more disasters? Most of them are barely occupied. Texas needs federal bailout more than everybody else because they don't have the funding to take care of their own bidniz internally. Your getting sand in your vag over nothing, bill, just pointing out the difference between yet another tough-talking westerner and reality. Same principle as those Montana cow humpers whining about the feds who subsidize their industry.

[polsongrizz]

This just in, they are going to add to their fucked up idea of history that it was actually Jesus who discovered America and founded the United States.

Good to see they are working towards a more ignorant American population. Soon we will become just like communist and/or countries run by dictators. the only news you will get you be from the politicians and none of it will be the truth. Oh wait their will be the internet. Well then again have you ever heard of China?

[dbackjon]

Still waiting for you to:

a) Show how Texas is well run
b) How conservative principals contribute to that
c) And why is a state that has even more conservative governance, Arizona, more screwed up than CA or NY.

Two words: Bull Dyke.

She was the only good thing going. Now it is even worse shape.

[expandspanos]

Do it! I'd move there, as long as we could have the constitution back and stuff like that

[BDKJMU]

And again Capt Obvious TX is far larger than any of the other lower 48 states with more counties with the #2 population so of course they are going to have more disaster declarations than any other state. Its called have more land and more people.

God you are dense

You ain't so bright yosef, bobby. Where do you get this nonsense that more counties equals more disasters? Most of them are barely occupied. Texas needs federal bailout more than everybody else because they don't have the funding to take care of their own bidniz internally. Your getting sand in your vag over nothing, bill, just pointing out the difference between yet another tough-talking westerner and reality. Same principle as those Montana cow humpers whining about the feds who subsidize their industry.

I said also said more population and size equals more disaster declarations. Who are the 2 most populous states? CA and TX. Who are the two biggest states (lower 48)? TX and CA. Who has the most disaster dec? TX and CA.

Who are the 2 smallest states. DE, 49th smallest (47th of 50) in disaster declarations, and RI, 50th smallest (50th in declarations).

See the correlation there? The 2 biggest factors on how many disaster declarations a state declares are size and population. Location & geographic makeup also play roles. Politics has little to nothing to do with it. And for you to say it does is plain ignorance.

[houndawg]

You ain't so bright yosef, bobby. Where do you get this nonsense that more counties equals more disasters? Most of them are barely occupied. Texas needs federal bailout more than everybody else because they don't have the funding to take care of their own bidniz internally. Your getting sand in your vag over nothing, bill, just pointing out the difference between yet another tough-talking westerner and reality. Same principle as those Montana cow humpers whining about the feds who subsidize their industry.

I said also said more population and size equals more disaster declarations. Who are the 2 most populous states? CA and TX. Who are the two biggest states (lower 48)? TX and CA. Who has the most disaster dec? TX and CA.

Who are the 2 smallest states. DE, 49th smallest (47th of 50) in disaster declarations, and RI, 50th smallest (50th in declarations).

See the correlation there? The 2 biggest factors on how many disaster declarations a state declares are size and population. Location & geographic makeup also play roles. Politics has little to nothing to do with it. And for you to say it does is plain ignorance.

Swing and a miss, Bradley. What I was pointing out is the difference between Guvnor Goodhair's tough talk about going it alone and his propensity to declare disaster and go running to the Feds for help. Which he's done more times since FEMA started keeping track than anybody.

[BDKJMU]

I said also said more population and size equals more disaster declarations. Who are the 2 most populous states? CA and TX. Who are the two biggest states (lower 48)? TX and CA. Who has the most disaster dec? TX and CA.

Who are the 2 smallest states. DE, 49th smallest (47th of 50) in disaster declarations, and RI, 50th smallest (50th in declarations).

See the correlation there? The 2 biggest factors on how many disaster declarations a state declares are size and population. Location & geographic makeup also play roles. Politics has little to nothing to do with it. And for you to say it does is plain ignorance.

Swing and a miss, Bradley. What I was pointing out is the difference between Guvnor Goodhair's tough talk about going it alone and his propensity to declare disaster and go running to the Feds for help. Which he's done more times since FEMA started keeping track than anybody.

You are obviously too ignorant to grasp the fact that disaster declarations have little to zero to do with politics.

[houndawg]

Swing and a miss, Bradley. What I was pointing out is the difference between Guvnor Goodhair's tough talk about going it alone and his propensity to declare disaster and go running to the Feds for help. Which he's done more times since FEMA started keeping track than anybody.

You are obviously too ignorant to grasp the fact that disaster declarations have little to zero to do with politics.

What would you call Perry's little performance, Bernard?

[BDKJMU]

You are obviously too ignorant to grasp the fact that disaster declarations have little to zero to do with politics.

What would you call Perry's little performance, Bernard?

Of his 8+ years as governor (Dec 00'-current), I was only in TX for the his 1st yr and a half, haven't been since 02', and haven't followed TX politics much since. But I know one thing for certain, whether Perry gets an A, B, C, D, or F, how many disaster declarations he has declared for TX counties has nothing to do with it.

[houndawg]

What would you call Perry's little performance, Bernard?

Of his 8+ years as governor (Dec 00'-current), I was only in TX for the his 1st yr and a half, haven't been since 02', and haven't followed TX politics much since. But I know one thing for certain, whether Perry gets an A, B, C, D, or F, how many disaster declarations he has declared for TX counties has nothing to do with it.

If there is money involved there is politics involved, Brian.

Just pointing out the reality behind Perry's "we don't need no federales" talk.

[BDKJMU]

Of his 8+ years as governor (Dec 00'-current), I was only in TX for the his 1st yr and a half, haven't been since 02', and haven't followed TX politics much since. But I know one thing for certain, whether Perry gets an A, B, C, D, or F, how many disaster declarations he has declared for TX counties has nothing to do with it.

If there is money involved there is politics involved, Brian.

Just pointing out the reality behind Perry's "we don't need no federales" talk.

Hurricanes, tropical storms, floods, blizzards, forest fires, droughts, earthquakes, etc don't care what the state is or who's the governor.

[native]

[quote="houndawg]...If there is money involved there is politics involved, Brian. ....[/quote]

Now there ya go raising a salient point, dawg.