What Do Progressives Really Stand For?

[Chizzang]

I knew there was a reason I like Liberals more than Conservatives
You nailed it 89Hen...

1) Real problems = The insane obsession with perception and image
2) Common Sense = There's no such thing... otherwise it would be common
3) Values = Republican code for: Fear of change and marginalized relevance / diminishing influence

Real problems = raising children while holding down a job

1) If you view raising children as a "problem" then that's exactly what it will be
You made a choice = stop whining about it - you sound like a Liberal

2) Holding down a job - You're either qualified and important to your company or your marginal and irrelevant... and that's not a Problem that's a Capitalistic Reality

Try again 89hen: You sound pathetic and myopic

[89Hen]

1) If you view raising children as a "problem" then that's exactly what it will be
You made a choice = stop whining about it - you sound like a Liberal

2) Holding down a job - You're either qualified and important to your company or your marginal and irrelevant... and that's not a Problem that's a Capitalistic Reality

Try again 89hen: You sound pathetic and myopic

Do you record yourself just so you can jack-off while you listen to yourself talk?

[Chizzang]

Real problems = raising children while holding down a job

Cleets doesn't grasp a number of important concepts like raising children or taking a (physical) stand for liberty. Every risk is too much for Cleets personally. No sacrifice is too great as long as someone else makes it.

He is the poster child for spoiled child.

You actually know nothing about me...
Your banal presumptions are meaningless and only go to show that you're angry and can't figure out who should be the target for your own self-loathing - search within - that's where 100% of the problems are... everything else is external - such is the nature of reality

Raising children is a choice some people make = not a Problem
The sacrifices I've made are indeed not "Patriotic" and never will be - so you'll have a hard time understanding them as your wold is incredibly tiny and revolves around a sad and ancient ideology where everybody is your enemy and everything outside of a tiny circle is frightening

I've got virtually no fear - I don't live in your terrifying little world

[Chizzang]

1) If you view raising children as a "problem" then that's exactly what it will be
You made a choice = stop whining about it - you sound like a Liberal

2) Holding down a job - You're either qualified and important to your company or your marginal and irrelevant... and that's not a Problem that's a Capitalistic Reality

Try again 89hen: You sound pathetic and myopic

Do you record yourself just so you can jack-off while you listen to yourself talk?

So I see you actually agree with me... thank you

[89Hen]

I see you actually agree with me... thank you

Wherever there is injustice, I'll be there.

Wherever there is tyranny, I'll be there.

Wherever there are wrinkled garments, I'll be there.

I AM CHIZZANG!

[Chizzang]

I see you actually agree with me... thank you

Wherever there is injustice, I'll be there.

Wherever there is tyranny, I'll be there.

Wherever there are wrinkled garments, I'll be there.

I AM CHIZZANG!

You do know that EXTREME Ironing is a sport...
(probably in the next Olympics even)

[89Hen]

You do know that EXTREME Ironing is a sport...

[Chizzang]

You do know that EXTREME Ironing is a sport...

Dude..!!!
My new Avatar..!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I owe you HUGE for that score

[89Hen]

Dude..!!!
My new Avatar..!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I owe you HUGE for that score

I sure will miss Jenny.

[kalm]

I would guess you're a Donk because you're a young mountain hippie who has the time to ride a bike to Mexico and not have to worry about real problems. As for YT, he's a Conk because he was raised with common sense and values.

I knew there was a reason I like Liberals more than Conservatives
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Dammit Chizzang, they're called progressives now. Pay attention.

[native]

From Congressman Ryan's facebook page:

"...Progressivism was a powerful strain in both political parties for many years. Theodore Roosevelt, a Republican, and Woodrow Wilson, a Democrat, both brought the Progressive movement to Washington.

Early Progressives wanted to empower and engage the people. They fought for populist reforms like initiative and referendum, recalls, judicial elections, the breakup of monopoly corporations, and the elimination of vote buying and urban patronage. But Progressivism turned away from popular control toward central government planning. It lost most Americans and consumed itself in paternalism, arrogance, and snobbish condescension. “Fighting Bob” LaFollette, Teddy Roosevelt, and Woodrow Wilson would have scorned the self-proclaimed “Progressives” of our day for handing out bailout checks to giant corporations, corrupting the Congress to purchase votes for government controlled health care, and funneling billions in Jobs Stimulus money to local politicians to pay for make-work patronage. That’s not “Progressivism,” that’s what real Progressives fought against!..."

[kalm]

From Congressman Ryan's facebook page:

"...Progressivism was a powerful strain in both political parties for many years. Theodore Roosevelt, a Republican, and Woodrow Wilson, a Democrat, both brought the Progressive movement to Washington.

Early Progressives wanted to empower and engage the people. They fought for populist reforms like initiative and referendum, recalls, judicial elections, the breakup of monopoly corporations, and the elimination of vote buying and urban patronage. But Progressivism turned away from popular control toward central government planning. It lost most Americans and consumed itself in paternalism, arrogance, and snobbish condescension. “Fighting Bob” LaFollette, Teddy Roosevelt, and Woodrow Wilson would have scorned the self-proclaimed “Progressives” of our day for handing out bailout checks to giant corporations, corrupting the Congress to purchase votes for government controlled health care, and funneling billions in Jobs Stimulus money to local politicians to pay for make-work patronage. That’s not “Progressivism,” that’s what real Progressives fought against!..."

Especially the part about bailing out giant corporations.

[mainejeff]

What do modern "Conservatives" REALLY stand for???

[Wedgebuster]

What do modern "Conservatives" REALLY stand for???

[houndawg]

What do modern "Conservatives" REALLY stand for???

Well they seem to be pretty adamant that they are NOT Republicans. One of W's speechwriters got fired from the American Enterprise Institute for saying so, too.