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Social engineers...

...settle your affairs.

MSM, come to terms with the fact most American's will discontinue their patronage. But be thankful that your skillsets can still be appreciated by used car lots looking for dishonest shyster salespeople.

Courtesy of the U.S. Chamber of Commerce (assuming Pelosi/Reid/Obama don't slip in a bill banning the C.O.C.)

U.S. Chamber of Commerce seeks trial on global warming

By Jim Tankersley
August 25, 2009

The business lobby, hoping to fend off potentially sweeping emission limits, wants the EPA to hold a 'Scopes'-like hearing on the evidence that climate change is man-made.
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Reporting from Washington - The nation's largest business lobby wants to put the science of global warming on trial.

The U.S. Chamber of Commerce, trying to ward off potentially sweeping federal emissions regulations, is pushing the Environmental Protection Agency to hold a rare public hearing on the scientific evidence for man-made climate change.

Chamber officials say it would be "the Scopes monkey trial of the 21st century" -- complete with witnesses, cross-examinations and a judge who would rule, essentially, on whether humans are warming the planet to dangerous effect.

"It would be evolution versus creationism," said William Kovacs, the chamber's senior vice president for environment, technology and regulatory affairs. "It would be the science of climate change on trial."

The goal of the chamber, which represents 3 million large and small businesses, is to fend off potential emissions regulations by undercutting the scientific consensus over climate change. If the EPA denies the request, as expected, the chamber plans to take the fight to federal court.

The EPA is having none of it, calling a hearing a "waste of time" and saying that a threatened lawsuit by the chamber would be "frivolous."
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EPA spokesman Brendan Gilfillan said the agency based its proposed finding that global warming is a danger to public health "on the soundest peer-reviewed science available, which overwhelmingly indicates that climate change presents a threat to human health and welfare."

Mr. Gilfillan then spread his hirsute wings and departed the press briefing; flying out the window enroute to his next meeting with Maryland's "Save The Ant" coalition, sponsored by the Freedom for Formicidae Fellowship.

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Welcome back, TMan. I see you're getting even bolder with the avatar. :lol:
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Pwns wrote:Welcome back, TMan. I see you're getting even bolder with the avatar. :lol:
Yup. Thoughtful avatar. RIP MJK.
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Teddy was the Lion of the Senate, Gore lyin' of Global Warming :oops:
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You taxpayer funded "stimulus" dollars at work...


...fattening The Liar Gore's wallet.

Gore’s Dual Role in Spotlight: Advocate and Investor

By JOHN M. BRODER
Published: November 2, 2009

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/11/03/busin ... 3gore.html
WASHINGTON — Former Vice President Al Gore thought he had spotted a winner last year when a small California firm sought financing for an energy-saving technology from the venture capital firm where Mr. Gore is a partner.

The company, Silver Spring Networks, produces hardware and software to make the electricity grid more efficient. It came to Mr. Gore’s firm, Kleiner Perkins Caufield & Byers, one of Silicon Valley’s top venture capital providers, looking for $75 million to expand its partnerships with utilities seeking to install millions of so-called smart meters in homes and businesses.

Mr. Gore and his partners decided to back the company, and in gratitude Silver Spring retained him and John Doerr, another Kleiner Perkins partner, as unpaid corporate advisers.

The deal appeared to pay off in a big way last week, when the Energy Department announced $3.4 billion in smart grid grants. Of the total, more than $560 million went to utilities with which Silver Spring has contracts. Kleiner Perkins and its partners, including Mr. Gore, could recoup their investment many times over in coming years.

Silver Spring Networks is a foot soldier in the global green energy revolution Mr. Gore hopes to lead. Few people have been as vocal about the urgency of global warming and the need to reinvent the way the world produces and consumes energy. And few have put as much money behind their advocacy as Mr. Gore and are as well positioned to profit from this green transformation, if and when it comes.

Critics, mostly on the political right and among global warming skeptics, say Mr. Gore is poised to become the world’s first “carbon billionaire,” profiteering from government policies he supports that would direct billions of dollars to the business ventures he has invested in.

Representative Marsha Blackburn, Republican of Tennessee, asserted at a hearing this year that Mr. Gore stood to benefit personally from the energy and climate policies he was urging Congress to adopt.

Mr. Gore says that he is simply putting his money where his mouth is...

...Other public figures, like Speaker Nancy Pelosi and Robert F. Kennedy Jr., who have vocally supported government financing of energy-saving technologies, have investments in alternative energy ventures. Some scientists and policy advocates also promote energy policies that personally enrich them.

As a private citizen, Mr. Gore does not have to disclose his income or assets, as he did in his years in Congress and the White House. When he left government in early 2001, he listed assets of less than $2 million, including homes in suburban Washington and in Tennessee.

Since then, his net worth has skyrocketed, helped by timely investments in Apple and Google, profits from books and his movie, and scores of speeches for which he can be paid more than $100,000, although he often speaks at no charge.

He is a founder of Generation Investment Management, based in London and run by David Blood, a former head of Goldman Sachs Asset Management (the firm was quickly dubbed Blood and Gore). Mr. Gore earns a partner’s salary at Kleiner Perkins. He has substantial personal finances invested at both firms, officials of the companies said.

He also serves as an adviser to high-profile technology companies including Apple and Google, relationships that have paid him handsome dividends over the last eight years.

Mr. Gore’s spokeswoman would not give a figure for his current net worth, but the scale of his wealth is evident in a single investment of $35 million in Capricorn Investment Group, a private equity fund started by his friend Jeffrey Skoll, the first president of eBay...

...He has a stake in the world’s pre-eminent carbon credit trading market and in an array of companies in bio-fuels, sustainable fish farming, electric vehicles and solar power.

Capricorn holds a major stake in Falcon Waterfree Technologies, the world’s leading maker of waterless urinals. Generation has holdings in Ausra, a solar energy company based in California, and Camco, a British firm that develops carbon dioxide emissions reduction projects. Kleiner Perkins has a green ventures fund with nearly $1 billion invested in renewable energy and efficiency concerns.

Mr. Gore also has substantial interests in technology, media and biotechnology ventures that have no direct tie to his environmental advocacy, an aide said.

Mr. Gore is not a lobbyist, and he has never asked Congress or the administration for an earmark or policy decision that would directly benefit one of his investments. But he has been a tireless advocate for policies that would move the country away from the use of coal and oil, and he has begun a $300 million campaign to end the use of fossil fuels in electricity production in 10 years.

But Marc Morano, a climate change skeptic who until recently was a top aide to Senator James M. Inhofe, Republican of Oklahoma, said that what he saw as Mr. Gore’s alarmism and occasional exaggerations distorted the debate and also served his personal financial interests.

Mr. Gore has testified numerous times in support of legislation to address climate change and to revamp the nation’s energy policies.

He appeared before the House Energy and Commerce Committee in April to support an energy and climate change bill that was intended to reduce global warming emissions through a cap-and-trade program for major polluting industries.

Mr. Gore, who shared the 2007 Nobel Peace Prize for his climate advocacy, is generally received on Capitol Hill as something of an oracle, at least by Democrats.

But at the hearing in April, he was challenged by Ms. Blackburn, who echoed some of the criticism of Mr. Gore that has swirled in conservative blogs and radio talk shows. She noted that Mr. Gore is a partner at Kleiner Perkins, which has hundreds of millions of dollars invested in firms that could benefit from any legislation that limits carbon dioxide emissions.


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grizzaholic wrote:
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Yup. Thoughtful avatar. RIP MJK.

Who is MJK?
IIRC T-man sported an avatarof Mary Jo Kopechne (sp?) when Ted Kennedy died.
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HI54UNI wrote:
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Who is MJK?
IIRC T-man sported an avatarof Mary Jo Kopechne (sp?) when Ted Kennedy died.
I'll change it this week...

...I'm sure Teddy has reaped his reward by now.
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Tick, tock, tick, tock...

Climategate Meets the Law: Senator Inhofe To Ask for DOJ Investigation

http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/climategat ... epage=true

The Senate report:
http://epw.senate.gov/public/index.cfm? ... bc71f1a6f8
Senator James Inhofe (R-OK) today asked the Obama administration to investigate what he called “the greatest scientific scandal of our generation” — the actions of climate scientists revealed by the Climategate files, and the subsequent admissions by the editors of the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) Fourth Assessment Report (AR4).

Senator Inhofe also called for former Vice President Al Gore to be called back to the Senate to testify.

“In [Gore's] science fiction movie, every assertion has been rebutted,” Inhofe said. He believes Vice President Gore should defend himself and his movie before Congress.

Just prior to a hearing at 10:00 a.m. EST, Senator Inhofe released a minority staff report from the Senate Environment and Public Works Committee, of which he is ranking member. Senator Inhofe is asking the Department of Justice to investigate whether there has been research misconduct or criminal actions by the scientists involved, including Dr. Michael Mann of Pennsylvania State University and Dr. James Hansen of Columbia University and the NASA Goddard Institute for Space Studies.
Don't forget kiddies, even if the WH/Dems refuse to play ball, there's always civilian court.

And even if the scam ended today, there's untold number of energy companies, not even attempting to quantify the intangible social harm, who can easily establish a mind-numbing damages claim.

Tick, tock, tick, tock...

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Sooner or later, justice will will come knocking on their door.
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travelinman67 wrote:Tick, tock, tick, tock...

Climategate Meets the Law: Senator Inhofe To Ask for DOJ Investigation

http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/climategat ... epage=true

The Senate report:
http://epw.senate.gov/public/index.cfm? ... bc71f1a6f8
Senator James Inhofe (R-OK) today asked the Obama administration to investigate what he called “the greatest scientific scandal of our generation” — the actions of climate scientists revealed by the Climategate files, and the subsequent admissions by the editors of the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) Fourth Assessment Report (AR4).

Senator Inhofe also called for former Vice President Al Gore to be called back to the Senate to testify.

“In [Gore's] science fiction movie, every assertion has been rebutted,” Inhofe said. He believes Vice President Gore should defend himself and his movie before Congress.

Just prior to a hearing at 10:00 a.m. EST, Senator Inhofe released a minority staff report from the Senate Environment and Public Works Committee, of which he is ranking member. Senator Inhofe is asking the Department of Justice to investigate whether there has been research misconduct or criminal actions by the scientists involved, including Dr. Michael Mann of Pennsylvania State University and Dr. James Hansen of Columbia University and the NASA Goddard Institute for Space Studies.
Don't forget kiddies, even if the WH/Dems refuse to play ball, there's always civilian court.

And even if the scam ended today, there's untold number of energy companies, not even attempting to quantify the intangible social harm, who can easily establish a mind-numbing damages claim.

Tick, tock, tick, tock...

:coffee:

Sooner or later, justice will will come knocking on their door.
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The debate is over!

I seem to recall hearing that somewhere, anyway.
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CitadelGrad wrote:The debate is over!

I seem to recall hearing that somewhere, anyway.
I heard that the proof is in the pudding...but it might be in a Lock Box and someone lost the key...awkward.
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HI54UNI wrote: The company I work for is small and we lost over $1.5 million on a power plant project that got cancelled thanks to the environmental hysteria. :evil: Over $40 million total lost by the 4 companies participating in the project. :evil:
Can't remember where I read it, but Peabody Energy is apparently tracking not only Cost of Operation environmental mitigation, but subcategorized CoO specifically required for "carbon offset" (AGW).

I'm confident the figure is into the hundreds of millions, if not billions.

Can't imagine the potential lost revenue due to cancelled projects.

If the greenies think this will blow over, they need to ask themselves, "If some group of ideological zealots were somehow able to interfere with my business's ability to earn hundreds of billions in revenue, would I 'forgive and forget'"?

When the dust has settled after this Climategate mess, organizations like Greenpeace, Sierra Club, Natural Resources Defense Council, World Wildlife Fund, Earthdefense, etc... will wind up making monthly payments to the energy industry indemnification trust fund...

...for the next 100 years...

...or until the oceans flood Manhattan...

...whichever comes first.

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HI54UNI wrote:
travelinman67 wrote:Tick, tock, tick, tock...

Climategate Meets the Law: Senator Inhofe To Ask for DOJ Investigation

http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/climategat ... epage=true

The Senate report:
http://epw.senate.gov/public/index.cfm? ... bc71f1a6f8



Don't forget kiddies, even if the WH/Dems refuse to play ball, there's always civilian court.

And even if the scam ended today, there's untold number of energy companies, not even attempting to quantify the intangible social harm, who can easily establish a mind-numbing damages claim.

Tick, tock, tick, tock...

:coffee:

Sooner or later, justice will will come knocking on their door.
The company I work for is small and we lost over $1.5 million on a power plant project that got cancelled thanks to the environmental hysteria. :evil: Over $40 million total lost by the 4 companies participating in the project. :evil:
:roll: The tree huggers have zero power in reality. They're just a convenient scapegoat for those who don't see why we should increase energy supply and risk driving prices down.
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Add involuntary manslaughter to the list of charges...


Baby girl survives after being shot in the chest in parents' 'global warming suicide pact'

By Gerard Couzens
01st March 2010

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A seven-month-old baby girl survived three days alone with a bullet in her chest beside the bodies of her parents and toddler brother.

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Survivor: The seven-month-old baby girl is recovering in hospital after she was shot by her parents

Argentines Francisco Lotero, 56, and Miriam Coletti, 23, shot their children before killing themselves after making an apparent suicide pact over fears about global warming.

Their son Francisco, two, died instantly after being hit in the back.

But their unnamed daughter cheated death after the bullet from her dad's handgun missed her vital organs.

Paramedics rushed her to hospital covered in blood when police alerted by worried neighbours discovered the massacre three days later.

The youngster is recovering in hospital in the town of Goya in the northern Argentine province of Corrientes, where doctors say she is out of danger.

Her parents said they feared the effects of global warming in a suicide note discovered by police.
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travelinman67 wrote:[youtube][/youtube]
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I don't necessarily agree with the ambush journalism but when the coward Gore won't answer those questions in a regular interview it may be justified. I know I'd like to ask him how much he has made from the global warming hysteria he's created.
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travelinman67 wrote:[youtube][/youtube]
I don't necessarily agree with the ambush journalism but when the coward Gore won't answer those questions in a regular interview it may be justified. I know I'd like to ask him how much he has made from the global warming hysteria he's created.
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Would the Exxon and Chamber of Commerce funded expert witnesses be placed under oath? :D
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Good lord tman, what is it with your hard on for that picture? I thought you "didn't have time" for such childish games? :lol:
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Grizalltheway wrote:Good lord tman, what is it with your hard on for that picture? I thought you "didn't have time" for such childish games? :lol:
Disturbs ya', huh?

There are few things I've seen more appropo than linking that image to liberal irrationality. Liberal denial and a refusal to acknowledge logical failings and weaknesses (as you and the other lib ideologues frequently exhibit) are the epitome of immaturity.
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A couple thoughts-

First off, Tman... you are missing one very large point here. This is not a scientific issue. It is a political issue. If it was a scientific issue, then a "Scopes-like" trial would not be necessary, because the science would be out there in the public domain, unaltered, and raw in form. Since the issue is political, the numbers we are intended to see are seen, and the numbers that damage the cause are not.

Second, I would question any government spokesman who would use this type of language, comparing climate change skepticism to the evolutionist/creationist argument. The climate change argument could be more accurately described as an argument between two archaeologists who dispute whether T-Rex had feathers or not... they both agree he existed, and they both agree that he was a big carnivore. They just don't agree on what he looked like. Neither of them questions his existence. At least, that WOULD be a good way to describe it, if the issue was purely scientific, which it is not. (See above).
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Grizalltheway wrote:Good lord tman, what is it with your hard on for that picture? I thought you "didn't have time" for such childish games? :lol:
Disturbs ya', huh?

There are few things I've seen more appropo than linking that image to liberal irrationality. Liberal denial and a refusal to acknowledge logical failings and weaknesses (as you and the other lib ideologues frequently exhibit) are the epitome of immaturity.
Well said, and....

Conservative denail and refusal to acknowledge logical failings and weaknesses (as you and other con ideologues frequently exhibit) are the epitome of senility.

I can say that, I'm middle aged. :nod:
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I'd hope scientists would take the Chamber of Commerce up on this proposal. Only thing I'd suggest is not having a "judge" decide the winner.
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CID1990 wrote:A couple thoughts-

First off, Tman... you are missing one very large point here. This is not a scientific issue. It is a political issue. If it was a scientific issue, then a "Scopes-like" trial would not be necessary, because the science would be out there in the public domain, unaltered, and raw in form. Since the issue is political, the numbers we are intended to see are seen, and the numbers that damage the cause are not.
I agree this is a political, not a scientific debate, otherwise Gore and Company would have no footing.

As for the data transparency, since the raw climate data allegedly used by Hanson/Mann/East Anglia for their modeling has been "inadvertently erased", the world is now left to decide whether to move forward with the global economy halting proposals based upon trusting this handful of scientists, or insisting the research be verified before moving forward. It's that simple.

Tens of thousands of scientists have reviewed and rejected the model's conclusions, with scores of studies being published which have disproven it's accuracy (and the veracity of it's premises). And since Hanson, Mann, et al have demonstrated a lack of integrity, IMHO this is a no-brainer.

At this point, Gore is just a hoaxster/showman whose folly will inevitably harm acting on legitimate environmental problems.
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- EPA Kommissar Gina McCarthy
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