On the 47% that don't pay taxes:

[death dealer]

I could watch her gyrate on that ball for hours.

[OSBF]

I think I'd be OK with some sort of tax amnesty system, whereby some sort of income level is determined, say 25K for a single, 40K for a couple, where they don't get anything withheld and don't have to file. They aren't paying any taxes anyway, why not just relieve the burden of all those returns off the IRS.

[Appaholic]

So you don't support the EIC, which takes away the "I can make as much on welfare" excuse, by rewarding those that get jobs and actually WORK.

Take away welfare too and they won't have that excuse either..

Bingo...

[Appaholic]

I think I'd be OK with some sort of tax amnesty system, whereby some sort of income level is determined, say 25K for a single, 40K for a couple, where they don't get anything withheld and don't have to file. They aren't paying any taxes anyway, why not just relieve the burden of all those returns off the IRS.

Because you gotta feed the pig....

How else is the gov't going to spend it if they don't get to touch it.....you take away the government's ability to collect withholding's from all paychecks under 25k or couple's paychecks under 40k, that's alot of goddam money the government never gets an opportunity to redistribute for political gain...

[Appaholic]

Efficient delivery of welfare was the reason given for the EIC. The real reason is that calling something a tax refund or rebate is more politically acceptable than calling something welfare.....

....while also removing any shame from using that welfare as you main form of income....

[Appaholic]

I said this in the other thread. I don't have a problem paying taxes. I don't probably pay as much as I could and would be willing to pay a little more than I do now if it helps balance the budget. I just simply have a problem with the idea that some people pay nothing and some even get more back than they paid in. It's not a democrat or republican problem. It's a U.S. problem. Everyone should have some skin in the game. If you don't, you don't get to play.

Nailed it....

[OL FU]

Efficient delivery of welfare was the reason given for the EIC. The real reason is that calling something a tax refund or rebate is more politically acceptable than calling something welfare.....

....while also removing any shame from using that welfare as you main form of income....

I ain't for shaming anyone on welfare, but I am for someone coming by your house to make sure (1) the dependants you claim actually live with you and you are supporting them, (2) you aren't living with a boyfriend or girlfriend that makes enough money to pay all your bills, (3) that you don't have a spouse whose income, if you do should be included in your household income instead of just the $15,000 you filed head of household under on your tax return, (4) you account for all non-taxable income like child support or social security benefits, etc. so that the true household income can dictate whether you get welfare (EIC), (5) to see if you have more dependants than you claim on your tax return to make sure you haven't loaned out your other dependants for someone else to use to get EIC, and on and on.

If that is shame then blame all the cheats that make these steps necessary.

[YoUDeeMan]

You might have heard, if you've been watching cable news at any point in the last 72 hours, that 47 percent of Americans will not owe income taxes this year. Conservatives argue that this is just one more way the economy is slipping into a social-egalitarian morass in which more Americans live off the productivity of the few elite who are actually busy putting the capital into capitalism.

But if the 47% figure is a monster, it is also a monster that Republicans have helped to create.

Today this $50 billion program is one of the largest component of our welfare system

As a result, more and more Americans appear to be paying no federal taxes!

One inevitable result is that fewer Americans today appear to be paying taxes.

Thanks Jellybean, you, and the clown who wrote the article, just proved a problematic point: 47% of American effectively are not paying Federal taxes. THAT is the real problem...not who started the problem. Of course, the clown didn't bother to propose a solution...he just wrote an article continuing partisan attacks. Dare he suggest more people pay taxes?

Many programs have a good start...but politicians twist them into ugly give aways.

Too bad Jellybean and the writer spend so much time trying to attack Conservatives instead of facing the problem that 47%, of people don't pay Federal taxes. Funny, they attack the supposed hypocrisy of calling a growing socialist welfare state a growing socialist welfare state.

There is a LOT of work to do. Clean the sides of the raod. Clean the waterways. Put people to work if they are going to get hand outs.

[native]

Take away welfare too and they won't have that excuse either..

That would be great if there were enough jobs to go around.

There WOULD be enough jobs to go around if we stopped attacking productivity and destroying private enterprise.

[native]

....while also removing any shame from using that welfare as you main form of income....

I ain't for shaming anyone on welfare, but I am for someone coming by your house to make sure (1) the dependants you claim actually live with you and you are supporting them, (2) you aren't living with a boyfriend or girlfriend that makes enough money to pay all your bills, (3) that you don't have a spouse whose income, if you do should be included in your household income instead of just the $15,000 you filed head of household under on your tax return, (4) you account for all non-taxable income like child support or social security benefits, etc. so that the true household income can dictate whether you get welfare (EIC), (5) to see if you have more dependants than you claim on your tax return to make sure you haven't loaned out your other dependants for someone else to use to get EIC, and on and on.

If that is shame then blame all the cheats that make these steps necessary.

I am willing to help with the FIRST child, but having more than one that you cannot support is of parental neglect.

[native]

I said this in the other thread. I don't have a problem paying taxes. I don't probably pay as much as I could and would be willing to pay a little more than I do now if it helps balance the budget. I just simply have a problem with the idea that some people pay nothing and some even get more back than they paid in. It's not a democrat or republican problem. It's a U.S. problem. Everyone should have some skin in the game. If you don't, you don't get to play.

Well said, DD! Absolutely everyone should have a little skin in the game.

I would add that we "need" maybe 20%-30% of the programs we support with taxes.

[native]

The EITC is welfare in its own way and is another tool for wealth redistribution.

[Ibanez]

....while also removing any shame from using that welfare as you main form of income....

I ain't for shaming anyone on welfare, but I am for someone coming by your house to make sure (1) the dependants you claim actually live with you and you are supporting them, (2) you aren't living with a boyfriend or girlfriend that makes enough money to pay all your bills, (3) that you don't have a spouse whose income, if you do should be included in your household income instead of just the $15,000 you filed head of household under on your tax return, (4) you account for all non-taxable income like child support or social security benefits, etc. so that the true household income can dictate whether you get welfare (EIC), (5) to see if you have more dependants than you claim on your tax return to make sure you haven't loaned out your other dependants for someone else to use to get EIC, and on and on.

If that is shame then blame all the cheats that make these steps necessary.

Well said. BUT, Democrats will never disenfranchise a group of people they can count on for votes no matter how important it is that these people (poor, welfare sucking thievs) cheat and abuse the system and fail to grow up..