do liberals loathe personal accountability?

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So we just let it continue? Sorry, but "good for business" is not reason enough to turn a blind eye to national sovereignty. And the reality, IMO, is that most Americans don't even care about deporting the current state law-abiding illegal immigrants currently working hard in our economy. They want the flow at the border stopped yesterday, they want a framework for the current illegals to start contributing taxes on the system they currently burden, they want them identified & registered so the criminal element can be deported ASAP & they want the non-criminal to make an effort to assimilate to our culture ie; learn english so we can communicate...

I agree. When a pipe busts in your house and its flooding, the first thing you do is cut off the water line, then you worry about bailing out the water that's in there.

Now we're getting to the root of the immigration issue, the elephant in the corner no one wants to talk about, that no-one will admit is in the room. The immigrants are "wet" while we are "dry", ie, they're "different" than we are. We don't like "different". We want them to learn english so they're more like us. We want them to become as American as possible.

Personally, I don't give a crap if Pedro that picks my tomatos and strawberries or cuts up the cow that goes into my hamburger looks like me, talks like me, smells like me, he can be whatever the hell he wants to be, except a violent criminal. Thank you Pedro for all that you do for America.

[Appaholic]

I agree. When a pipe busts in your house and its flooding, the first thing you do is cut off the water line, then you worry about bailing out the water that's in there.

Now we're getting to the root of the immigration issue, the elephant in the corner no one wants to talk about, that no-one will admit is in the room. The immigrants are "wet" while we are "dry", ie, they're "different" than we are. We don't like "different". We want them to learn english so they're more like us. We want them to become as American as possible.

Personally, I don't give a crap if Pedro that picks my tomatos and strawberries or cuts up the cow that goes into my hamburger looks like me, talks like me, smells like me, he can be whatever the hell he wants to be, except a violent criminal. Thank you Pedro for all that you do for America.

So I'm racist for expecting my borders to be secured & for expecting an immigrant who comes to this country for it's opportunities make an effort to assimilate to it's existing culture. That's BS. In fact, your attitude regarding how Pedro "picks my tomatos and strawberries or cuts up the cow that goes into my hamburger looks like me, talks like me, smells like me, he can be whatever the hell he wants to be, except a violent criminal" is even more demeaning as it provides Pedro with limited opportunity to better himself of his family's lot in life. There's no more effective way to insure the populace will de-humanize & segregate itself from it's other citizens than to promote a breakdown in effective communication. You state we don't want him in our country because he's different yet, your attitude is the best assurance that he is always treated as different.

[OSBF]

Now we're getting to the root of the immigration issue, the elephant in the corner no one wants to talk about, that no-one will admit is in the room. The immigrants are "wet" while we are "dry", ie, they're "different" than we are. We don't like "different". We want them to learn english so they're more like us. We want them to become as American as possible.

Personally, I don't give a crap if Pedro that picks my tomatos and strawberries or cuts up the cow that goes into my hamburger looks like me, talks like me, smells like me, he can be whatever the hell he wants to be, except a violent criminal. Thank you Pedro for all that you do for America.

So I'm racist for expecting my borders to be secured & for expecting an immigrant who comes to this country for it's opportunities make an effort to assimilate to it's existing culture. That's BS. In fact, your attitude regarding how Pedro "picks my tomatos and strawberries or cuts up the cow that goes into my hamburger looks like me, talks like me, smells like me, he can be whatever the hell he wants to be, except a violent criminal" is even more demeaning as it provides Pedro with limited opportunity to better himself of his family's lot in life. There's no more effective way to insure the populace will de-humanize & segregate itself from it's other citizens than to promote a breakdown in effective communication. You state we don't want him in our country because he's different yet, your attitude is the best assurance that he is always treated as different.

I'm not saying YOU are racist, however, much of the anti-immigration sentiments in this country are based there.

We on the whole don't like people that are "different". That's why we get so hung up on "assimilation", we find them more easily tollerated the more like us they are. Christ, let them be who and what they are, what and who THEY choose to be.

I don't want violent criminals crossing the borders either. I want the ones here registered and paying taxes. I just don't have the anti-hispanic woodie that some people do. Lets just call this what it is, this really isn't an anti-immigration issue, its an anti-hispanic issue. I don't hear the folks in Montana screaming to close the Canadian Border.

[Appaholic]

I'm not saying YOU are racist, however, much of the anti-immigration sentiments in this country are based there.

I don't doubt this & took no offense personally...

We on the whole don't like people that are "different". That's why we get so hung up on "assimilation", we find them more easily tollerated the more like us they are. Christ, let them be who and what they are, what and who THEY choose to be.

I don't disagree with your premise, but do disagree with the reasons for assimilation. IMO, it's not a burden to become more American when living in America & it doesn't mean you are no longer hispanic. But if you choose to leave your home country to become a citizen in another country, then you have a responsibility to adopt certain cultural norms in order to successfully live in that society.

I don't want violent criminals crossing the borders either. I want the ones here registered and paying taxes.

That's what the majority of Americans want....& for the federal government to meet a basic tenet of it's need to exist.

I just don't have the anti-hispanic woodie that some people do. Lets just call this what it is, this really isn't an anti-immigration issue, its an anti-hispanic issue. I don't hear the folks in Montana screaming to close the Canadian Border.

We agree to disagree. If Canadians were streaming across the border, demanding recognition, social entitlements & rights & adding to a burden on existing social services while contributing to the lowering of wages to natural-born citizens, yes, there would be an uproar....rightfully so....

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We agree to disagree. If Canadians were streaming across the border, demanding recognition, social entitlements & rights & adding to a burden on existing social services while contributing to the lowering of wages to natural-born citizens, yes, there would be an uproar....rightfully so....

...............but i thought they were............
socialism sucks, their taxes are too high, their healthcare system sucks, they surely are streaming across the border in droves to escape to the Nirvana of capitalism, right?

[OSBF]

So we just let it continue? Sorry, but "good for business" is not reason enough to turn a blind eye to national sovereignty.

however, "good for business" is a perfectly good excuse to keep the minimum wage below a living wage and to stonewall sound environmental legislation?

[Appaholic]

So we just let it continue? Sorry, but "good for business" is not reason enough to turn a blind eye to national sovereignty.

however, "good for business" is a perfectly good excuse to keep the minimum wage below a living wage and to stonewall sound environmental legislation?

Don't agree with minimum nor living wage. A job is worth what someone is willing to pay for the service. Sorry.

But agree with you on the environmental issue.

[Appaholic]

We agree to disagree. If Canadians were streaming across the border, demanding recognition, social entitlements & rights & adding to a burden on existing social services while contributing to the lowering of wages to natural-born citizens, yes, there would be an uproar....rightfully so....

...............but i thought they were............
socialism sucks, their taxes are too high, their healthcare system sucks, they surely are streaming across the border in droves to escape to the Nirvana of capitalism, right?

Not from where I'm standing, but I'm sure the teabagger's have their delusions regarding this issue...