Arizona Immigration..........

[ALPHAGRIZ1]

And pandering to the illegals by ignoring laws the Dems are banking on growing their entitlement base.

Swing and a miss. Illegals can't vote, nor can legal non-citizens...

Swing and a miss they can with your Democrats running elections Chicago style................

[OSBF]

There are laws being broken and we are not enforcing them, this is costing us all money.

I'm not sure the folks with the anti-immigrant hard-ons "get it". They save us countless billions of dollars every year. They do valuable jobs for below minimum wage that keep the cost of living down for the rest of us. Certain industry relies on large quantities of cheap labor, and would either collapse or their product would increase in price exponetially, and we all end up paying. Let's look at some examples:

Agriculture:Dairy, Poultry, Hogs, Produce, Truck crops, Hay
Construction: Concrete workers, Carpenters, Landscaping
The entire meat packing industry
Hotel service workers, esp house keeping and maintenance workers
Food service workers, both manufacturing and point of sale retail(wait staff, cooks,dish washers, etc)

All these industries among others rely on large quantities of cheap labor to remain profitable to ownership and for the finished product affordable to all us cheap ass consumers.

I was a big fan of the Bush guest worker program, or something similar, that resembles the following:

1)Register, we need to know who you are and where you are
2)Minimum wage laws do not apply to you
3)You pay income taxes, SS, medicare, employment taxes, etc etc etc
4)You get no services
5)No union protection
6)No labor laws apply to you

[yosef1969]

And pandering to the illegals by ignoring laws the Dems are banking on growing their entitlement base.

Swing and a miss. Illegals can't vote, nor can legal non-citizens...

True, but you're assuming they remain illegals. Dems will push eventually push amnesty, without substantial improvements to immigration enforcement. So they are pandering now banking that they will gain loyalty and favor.

[dbackjon]

Swing and a miss. Illegals can't vote, nor can legal non-citizens...

True, but you're assuming they remain illegals. Dems will push eventually push amnesty, without substantial improvements to immigration enforcement. So they are pandering now banking that they will gain loyalty and favor.

You mean like Reagan and the Republicans did in 1986??

[Baldy]

There you go trying to put words in my mouth again.

I didn't say EVERY illegal would vote for Donks, just the vast majority will. If you think they won't, you are sadly uninformed. just look at your silly little map. Do you think its just a coincidence that in a RED state like Texas that most of the border counties are blue?

If you don't think that is the ultimate goal, the only thing being marginalized is your common sense.

Sorry I misinterpreted your word Baldy and included all immigrants vs the vast majority, whatever percentage that is in your mind. You do realize that Hispanic voters are probably some of the most moderate voters out there? Economically Liberal, Socially Conservative. The number of legal Hispanics in America far outnumbers the illegal population, by three fold if I'm not mistaken. You can look at their voting record on the Liberal and Conservative issues if you'd like. If it's such an endemic problem, why do a majority of the red areas on the "silly little map" above (a map of your Hispanic base that elected G.W. Bush), border areas from Cali-Texas, correspond with a large Hispanic population? You'd figure all of New Mexico, most of Texas, Cali and AZ would be "Blue" in the map above if the majority were voting "Dem."


Another "Silly" map for you:


You are aware that polls have been conducted and a majority of Hispanics in America think there should be immigration enforcement, that the enforcement is inadequate and that immigration is too high in this country. If you'd pay any attention, you'd see the numbers of Hispanic voters registering as Democrats has dropped over the past decade, just look at all those red areas in California and then compare them to the Hispanic population. I agree that most of the population that comes in registers Democratic, but it's also well known that between second and third generation immigrants, the number of registered Dems v Repubs is equal. You'd figure that since the Hispanic population historically have conservative values, the Republican party would be doing everything they can to utilize this base. Bush did something right, in his election for Governor and President, he spoke to the conservative values of his Hispanic base.


Keep on Keepin' on Baldy, your misinformation will keep you well.

Speaking of misinformation....very surprised you didn't show your sources.

http://www.swop.net" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;? Please point me to the alleged 50% of their membership who are Republican.

Here are the facts:
In 2004, 41% of Hispanics voted for Bush
In 2008, 67% of Hispanics voted for Obama.



Please, spin away...again.

[yosef1969]

True, but you're assuming they remain illegals. Dems will push eventually push amnesty, without substantial improvements to immigration enforcement. So they are pandering now banking that they will gain loyalty and favor.

You mean like Reagan and the Republicans did in 1986??

Precisely. And what was essentially being proposed a couple of years ago. That was a mistake then that solved nothing and would be equally irresponsible now.
I did mispeak though, I shouldn't have said Dems will push amnesty, Repubs are also offenders (see Graham - SC and McCain - AZ). Amnestry will eventually be pushed and in my view the Dems are banking on that.

[native]

Arizona could just be the first state to pass this legislation...

Apprently four more states are interested, and people within the legislatures of those states have approached the group that helped draft the Arizona law...

Michael Hethmon, general counsel for the Immigration Reform Law Institute, helped draft the language of the Arizona bill. The institute is the legal affiliate of the Federation for American Immigration Reform.

On the heels of the Arizona initiative, Hethmon said he has been approached by lawmakers from four other states who have asked for advice on how they can do the same thing where they live. He declined to identify the states, citing attorney-client privilege.

"Arizona was meant to be the leading edge," Hethmon said. "If you are going to work on developing a state-based response to this enormous problem -- the lack of a national immigration policy -- Arizona is the place to do it."

Hethmon pointed to Arizona's history of citizen ballot initiatives in support of immigration reform, noting that "what's happening in Arizona just didn't pop out of nowhere. It's the latest step in a fairly deliberate process."

http://www.cnn.com/2010/POLITICS/04/21/ ... tml?hpt=T2" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Interesting post, Colonel. I would also note that Janet Napolitano, the former demokrat governor of Arizona, was not all that aggressive in protecting her citizens from illegal alien crime.

[JMU DJ]

Speaking of misinformation....very surprised you didn't show your sources.

http://www.swop.net" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;? Please point me to the alleged 50% of their membership who are Republican.

Here are the facts:
In 2004, 41% of Hispanics voted for Bush
In 2008, 67% of Hispanics voted for Obama.



Please, spin away...again.

Spin? The only thing that is spinning here is you trying to separate yourself and conservatives from the Hispanics voters. All I have said is that you are marginalizing people who vote for your candidates, I have never said "a majority" vote Republican nor "50%" anywhere, just that of recent history (besides the past two election cycles), Hispanics have been voting in higher numbers for conservative candidates, including playing a pivotal role in electing G.W. Bush. Thanks for putting words in my mouth Baldy.

Stay on topic. Original point you missed: Hispanics are part of your base, statements like your original one only marginalize and drive Hispanics away from the GOP party. The Republican party fails to appeal to a majority of Hispanics conservative ideals when they could instead be increasing the numbers of Republicans at the polls by doing so. Why are you so anxious to distance yourself from them and generalize them?

The information I gave you about the majority of Hispanics who are for enforcement of current immigration laws, who are for deporting illegal immigrants, and who think immigration is too high if from the same source you got your "cute" little graph from - The Pew Research Center, as was most every piece of information I gave you.

Every "race", gender, income level, religion, etc saw a decline in Republican voting in 2008, yet we should just focus on the Hispanic vote:




You can attribute a down trend in voting republican over the last two election cycles to the population as a whole, not just one facet.




Looks like that population increase is turning out all those new Donk voters at remarkably high numbers too.