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JohnStOnge wrote:I don't think this is really at issue in this case but without even looking at details I would be willing to bet that an awful lot of people claiming that they are suffering from the effects of things like "toxic dust" aren't really suffering from such effects. I think that anytime something like this happens you can count on a bunch of people having something go wrong with them and assuming that it must've been the "toxic dust" (in this case). And there is absolutely no way to legitimately infer that "toxic dust" caused any adverse health effects since there is no way a controlled experiment could be involved.
You also think there isn't sufficient evidence to link tobacco smoking with lung cancer. You don't think there's sufficient scientific proof for anything. It gets fucking old. :lol:
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Skjellyfetti wrote:
JohnStOnge wrote:I don't think this is really at issue in this case but without even looking at details I would be willing to bet that an awful lot of people claiming that they are suffering from the effects of things like "toxic dust" aren't really suffering from such effects. I think that anytime something like this happens you can count on a bunch of people having something go wrong with them and assuming that it must've been the "toxic dust" (in this case). And there is absolutely no way to legitimately infer that "toxic dust" caused any adverse health effects since there is no way a controlled experiment could be involved.
You also think there isn't sufficient evidence to link tobacco smoking with lung cancer. You don't think there's sufficient scientific proof for anything. It gets fucking old. :lol:
not as old as your PATHETIC attempts to blame the Republican Party for every ill in "the late united states" and your ABSURD stance on ILLEGAL MEXICANS. that is OLD
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Ursus A. Horribilis wrote:Funny how this Wiener is now wrapping himself in the American/9/11 flag so tightly. It is so great to see the Dems doing exactly what they rightly criticized a lot of Republicans for doing.

What a **** toolbag that guy is.
Dude's been in Congress since before 9/11 and represents Brooklyn. Do I really need to link all of his speeches, bill he's sponsored, etc. that deal with 9/11 over the last 10 years? This didn't come out of nowhere. :roll: :ohno:
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Regardless of the politics, Anthony Weiner absolutely bitch slapped Peter King. :thumb:
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You also think there isn't sufficient evidence to link tobacco smoking with lung cancer. You don't think there's sufficient scientific proof for anything. It gets **** old.
Sky, I can only guess you are referring to the time I posted text from a graduate level statistics textbook pointing out that an observational study involving associations between cigarette smoking and diseases could not be used to say that smoking causes cancer. That wasn't me saying that. It was the author of the statistics textbook. And it's the truth. In statisics, cause and effect cannot be inferred without a controlled experiment. Period. End of discussion.

There are plenty of things for which there is sufficient scientific "proof." For instance: We can say that pseudoephedrine has a decongestant effect. And we can say that because the manufacturers of the drug had to obtain controlled experiments to infer the effect. We could also easliy do something like "prove" that Miracle Grow has a positive effect on plant growth.

But sometimes it's not so easy. And the fact that it's not easy to design or implement a controlled experiment to infer an effect doesn't make the rule go away.

It's like I said before. Sometimes a point is reached where as a practical matter you can say, "OK, I don't need a contrlled experiment." Like you don't need a controlled experiment to conclude that shooting someone can kill them. There is a very obvious, dramatic physical effect that can be directly observed. But something like saying you have some health condition because you were exposed to "toxic dust" from the WTC incident isn't like that.
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Why should any of MY tax dollars go to help victims in NY?

Shouldnt NY take care of their own? Pssst, the answer is yes.................
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kalm wrote:Regardless of the politics, Anthony Weiner absolutely bitch slapped Peter King. :thumb:
Not really, i saw them on TV and King had Weinersucker trippin' over his fat lip. Told him you had 250+ votes, all you had to do was ask for a straight up or down vote. Weinersucker had nothing to say...and the Donks wonder why they will have heir asses handed to them in November? :rofl:
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ALPHAGRIZ1 wrote:Why should any of MY tax dollars go to help victims in NY?

Shouldnt NY take care of their own? Pssst, the answer is yes.................
It wouldn't be coming from your tax dollars.
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House Republicans on Thursday blocked a Democratic plan to provide billions of dollars for medical treatment to rescue workers and residents of New York City who suffered illnesses from the toxic dust and debris at ground zero.

A majority of the lawmakers in the chamber supported the bill, but the 255-to-159 vote fell short of the two-thirds margin needed under special rules that were used to bring the measure to the floor. In the end, 243 Democrats and 12 Republicans supported the measure; 155 Republicans and 4 Democrats opposed it.

Democrats used rules requiring a wider majority for approval to prevent Republicans from offering amendments on the floor that would embarrass Democrats in an election year.

Republican opponents of the legislation expressed concern over the $7.4 billion cost of the program. But Democrats accused Republicans of being callous and vowed to bring the bill back for another vote in the fall.

Until now, the federal government has been appropriating money on an annual basis to monitor the health of people injured at ground zero and to provide them with medical treatment. But the bill’s supporters said there were problems with the year-to-year approach, including that money for the program was subject to the political whims of Congress and the White House.

The bill would have provided $3.2 billion over the next eight years to monitor and treat injuries stemming from exposure to toxic dust and debris at ground zero. New York City would have paid 10 percent of those health costs.

The bill also would have set aside $4.2 billion to reopen the Sept. 11 Victim Compensation Fund to provide compensation for any job and economic losses.

In addition, the bill contained a provision that would have allowed money from the Victim Compensation Fund to be paid out to anyone who receives payment under the pending settlement stemming from lawsuits that 10,000 rescue and cleanup workers filed against the city. At the moment, anyone who receives a settlement from the city could not receive compensation from the fund, according to the bill’s sponsors.

Representative Carolyn B. Maloney, a Democrat and one of the bill’s chief sponsors, expressed disappointment with the outcome, saying that it was a shame that many who opposed the measure “don’t understand the scope and severity of this health crisis.” But she expressed confidence that the House would pass the bill with a simple majority when Congress returned from its summer recess in September.

Representative Lamar Smith, a Republican from Texas, who opposed the bill, described it as an “irresponsible overreach” and asserted that it did not contain sufficient protections to prevent waste and fraud.

Representative Jerrold Nadler, another Democratic sponsor, called the rejection of the measure “heartless and unpatriotic.”

There are nearly 60,000 people enrolled in a variety of health-monitoring and treatment programs related to the 9/11 attacks, according to the sponsors of the bill. The federal government provides the bulk of the funding for those health programs.
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