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Obamacare: The gift that keeps taking.

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Some of this info is a couple of months old, but the dots are starting to connect. If everyone knew of all the health care freedoms and choices Obamacare takes away, would our "representatives" in Congress have voted for this freedom and liberty killing abortion of a bill anyway?

It's now becoming more clear WHY, they jammed this legislation down our throats. Hope you Obama and Pelosi (we have to pass it to find out what's in it) apologists are happy. :ohno:

Health care law's massive, hidden tax change

NEW YORK (CNNMoney.com) -- An all-but-overlooked provision of the health reform law is threatening to swamp U.S. businesses with a flood of new tax paperwork.

Section 9006 of the health care bill -- just a few lines buried in the 2,409-page document -- mandates that beginning in 2012 all companies will have to issue 1099 tax forms not just to contract workers but to any individual or corporation from which they buy more than $600 in goods or services in a tax year.

The stealth change radically alters the nature of 1099s and means businesses will have to issue millions of new tax documents each year.

Right now, the IRS Form 1099 is used to document income for individual workers other than wages and salaries. Freelancers receive them each year from their clients, and businesses issue them to the independent contractors they hire.

But under the new rules, if a freelance designer buys a new iMac from the Apple Store, they'll have to send Apple a 1099. A laundromat that buys soap each week from a local distributor will have to send the supplier a 1099 at the end of the year tallying up their purchases.

The bill makes two key changes to how 1099s are used. First, it expands their scope by using them to track payments not only for services but also for tangible goods. Plus, it requires that 1099s be issued not just to individuals, but also to corporations.

Taken together, the two seemingly small changes will require millions of additional forms to be sent out.


Health-care law places limit on flexible-spending accounts

f you are one of 20 million Americans who like to put a few thousand dollars every year into a flexible-spending health account, you might be in for a surprise.

Tucked inside the health-care overhaul is a little-noticed section that limits to $2,500 a year the amount of pre-tax money a worker can steer to his or her account.

Because many companies allow their workers to pay as much as $5,000 a year into the tax-free accounts, the new limits will mean higher taxes for people in middle- and upper-middle-income groups. The Congressional Joint Committee on Taxation calculates the reduction will cost taxpayers $13 billion from 2013 through 2019.

"There will be some individuals who are already above the $2,500 limit, and once this takes effect, then the expenses they could previously declare without paying income taxes on them will be limited," said Pete Sepp, a spokesman for the National Taxpayers Union, a conservative nonprofit group in Washington.

Although the $2,500 limit will rise annually with the Consumer Price Index, Sepp said families earning less than $250,000 are likely to find that their tax liabilities will increase. Obama has pledged not to raise taxes on individuals earning less than $200,000 annually or families making less than $250,000 a year.

"Larger families, especially with young children, could easily exceed the $2,500 threshold, so there could be many thousands of families affected by this whose income is well below $250,000," Sepp said.

But Judy Feder, a health-policy analyst at the liberal Center for American Progress in Washington, said many people use the flexible-spending accounts just to avoid taxes, and "the dollars you put aside can serve as tax shelters, not as vehicles for insurance purposes."


What a stupid C**T. Flex Spending accounts are tax shelters? :roll:
I guess they could be if you didn't lose the money if you don't spend it by the end of the year.

Gold Coin Sellers Angered by New Tax Law

Starting Jan. 1, 2012, Form 1099s will become a means of reporting to the Internal Revenue Service the purchases of all goods and services by small businesses and self-employed people that exceed $600 during a calendar year. Precious metals such as coins and bullion fall into this category and coin dealers have been among those most rankled by the change.

This provision, intended to mine what the IRS deems a vast reservoir of uncollected income tax, was included in the health care legislation ostensibly as a way to pay for it. The tax code tweak is expected to raise $17 billion over the next 10 years, according to the Joint Committee on Taxation.

"Coin dealers not only buy for their inventory from other dealers, but also with great frequency from the public," Piret said. "Most other types of businesses will have a limited number of suppliers from which they buy their goods and products for resale."

Pat Heller, who owns Liberty Coin Service in Lansing, Mich., deals with around 1,000 customers every week. Many are individuals looking to protect wealth in an uncertain economy, he said, while others are dealers like him.

With spot market prices for gold at nearly $1,200 an ounce, Heller estimates that he'll be filling out between 10,000 and 20,000 tax forms per year after the new law takes effect.

"I'll have to hire two full-time people just to track all this stuff, which cuts into my profitability," he said.


And you people still want to blame Bush?
In this Obama economic environment, only a fool would want to start or expand a business. :ohno:
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They changed the rules on what the flex spending account money can be used for. No more over the counter drugs beginning January 1st. :thumbdown:
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I wonder what else was slipped into the health care bill.....guess well find out eventually.


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Gold Coin Sellers Angered by New Tax Law Slipped into Healthcare bill
ABC News ^ | 7/21/2010 | Rich Blake



Those already outraged by the president's health care legislation now have a new bone of contention -- a scarcely noticed tack-on provision to the law that puts gold coin buyers and sellers under closer government scrutiny.


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HI54UNI wrote:They changed the rules on what the flex spending account money can be used for. No more over the counter drugs beginning January 1st. :thumbdown:
Yes, I believe that fact is in the article I posted.
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I wasn't aware of the 1099 changes, which sounds like a giant pain. Wonder if that will see revision as it gets more publicity?

The change to the HSA limits I've heard about plenty and have always been confused how that is a good idea.
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Crickets from Barry Jelly.........
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Bronco wrote:I wonder what else was slipped into the health care bill.....guess well find out eventually.
Medical deductions on your tax form must now exceed 10% of your AGI vice the old 7.5%. And this tax increase will affect you even if you make less than the magical $250,000. Thanks Barry, Nancy and Harry.
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ObamaCare will be repealed by June 2011. Go ahead and mark it down.
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SumItUp wrote:ObamaCare will be repealed by June 2011. Go ahead and mark it down.
Unless there are enough votes to make the repeal veto-proof then I wouldn't count on it.

And I for one will not refer to it by that name that you use. For in some way the supporters of same will take that name as a badge of honor and will use that name to just stick-it to the rest of us. I prefer to call it that god-damn- lack-of-health-care-plan.
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Well ND figured out what Obamacare truly means for ND, $1.1 billion in extra costs for the state over the next 10 years and higher insurance rates for the state's residents.
BISMARCK – Federal health care reform will cost at least $1.1 billion in North Dakota in the next 10 years, a Republican lawmaker said Tuesday.

Rep. George Keiser, R-Bismarck, said the bill will cost at least $74,200 to cover each of the 15,000 North Dakotans uninsured due to situations such as pre-existing conditions and lifetime maximum.

It’s revenue “we’ll have to generate somewhere,” whether through increased insurance premiums or taxes, he said.

“Somebody is going to pay for it,” Keiser said. “North Dakotans deserve answers from the federal government on how our citizens and state can mitigate the substantial costs associated with the new health care law.”
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TheDancinMonarch wrote:
SumItUp wrote:ObamaCare will be repealed by June 2011. Go ahead and mark it down.
Unless there are enough votes to make the repeal veto-proof then I wouldn't count on it.

And I for one will not refer to it by that name that you use. For in some way the supporters of same will take that name as a badge of honor and will use that name to just stick-it to the rest of us. I prefer to call it that god-damn- lack-of-health-care-plan.
It's a temporary fix, but all the new Congress would have to do is refuse to fund it.
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FargoBison wrote:Well ND figured out what Obamacare truly means for ND, $1.1 billion in extra costs for the state over the next 10 years and higher insurance rates for the state's residents.
BISMARCK – Federal health care reform will cost at least $1.1 billion in North Dakota in the next 10 years, a Republican lawmaker said Tuesday.

Rep. George Keiser, R-Bismarck, said the bill will cost at least $74,200 to cover each of the 15,000 North Dakotans uninsured due to situations such as pre-existing conditions and lifetime maximum.

It’s revenue “we’ll have to generate somewhere,” whether through increased insurance premiums or taxes, he said.

“Somebody is going to pay for it,” Keiser said. “North Dakotans deserve answers from the federal government on how our citizens and state can mitigate the substantial costs associated with the new health care law.”
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That was always one of the hidden aspects of the health bill - not only was it going to cost the federal government a lot of money, but the costs to the federal government were masked because even more costs were just going to be passed along to the states to manage.

I had and still have no problem with the pursuit of a national health care plan that covers all Americans. The problem I had was never being anywhere close to honest about the cost of such a system (well, I had other problems with it too, but that was the biggest by far).
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