Bush tax cuts vs. Obama tax cuts

[GannonFan]

The only way to see how much is to insult China.

I'm not kidding. Something happened to jelly this off season. Even though we disagreed 99% of the time, he was always pretty balanced in his demeanor. Lately he's gone WAAAYYYYYY off the deep left end and seems to be swimming further away at gold medal pace.

But the question is, is he old enough to really win the gold medal, or will subsequent investigations find that he forged his birth certificate and we have to instead award the medal to someone else?

[GannonFan]

I'm not kidding. Something happened to jelly this off season. Even though we disagreed 99% of the time, he was always pretty balanced in his demeanor. Lately he's gone WAAAYYYYYY off the deep left end and seems to be swimming further away at gold medal pace.

if the guy you'd supported so feverantly over the past 2 1/2 years had gone plumb **** loco, what would YOU do?

Not a good enough excuse - I'm an Obama voter and certainly wanted to see him succeed, and I'm still perfectly sane even though he's come up woefully short in terms of fulfilling the expectations I had for him.

[OL FU]

The only way to see how much is to insult China.

I'm not kidding. Something happened to jelly this off season. Even though we disagreed 99% of the time, he was always pretty balanced in his demeanor. Lately he's gone WAAAYYYYYY off the deep left end and seems to be swimming further away at gold medal pace.

Good Mexican will do that to you

[AZGrizFan]

if the guy you'd supported so feverantly over the past 2 1/2 years had gone plumb **** loco, what would YOU do?

Not a good enough excuse - I'm an Obama voter and certainly wanted to see him succeed, and I'm still perfectly sane even though he's come up woefully short in terms of fulfilling the expectations I had for him.

This would imply you're STILL an Obama supporter?

[GannonFan]

Not a good enough excuse - I'm an Obama voter and certainly wanted to see him succeed, and I'm still perfectly sane even though he's come up woefully short in terms of fulfilling the expectations I had for him.

This would imply you're STILL an Obama supporter?

If you mean would I vote for him again given the same choice? Yes. I still think this is the better alternative to McCain, although frankly that really says a lot more about my limited expectations of what we would get from McCain. And on the bright side, Obama's poor performance to date has likely led to the best outcome of this cycle - the ejection of many in the Democratic legislative majority. It was great that many piss-poor Republican congressmen got the heave-ho in '06 and '08 since they proved themselves unworthy of re-election, and hopefully we're cleaning house but this time on the Democratic side of the ledger in this go-around as they've proved to be just as bad, if not worse. Purging Congress of as many of the deadbeats as possible is always a good outcome. I'll take another two years of Obama if it means we get to see how he works with hopefully a focused Republican controlled Congress (as opposed to the spend happy one that failed so miserably before).

[AZGrizFan]

This would imply you're STILL an Obama supporter?

If you mean would I vote for him again given the same choice? Yes. I still think this is the better alternative to McCain, although frankly that really says a lot more about my limited expectations of what we would get from McCain. And on the bright side, Obama's poor performance to date has likely led to the best outcome of this cycle - the ejection of many in the Democratic legislative majority. It was great that many piss-poor Republican congressmen got the heave-ho in '06 and '08 since they proved themselves unworthy of re-election, and hopefully we're cleaning house but this time on the Democratic side of the ledger in this go-around as they've proved to be just as bad, if not worse. Purging Congress of as many of the deadbeats as possible is always a good outcome. I'll take another two years of Obama if it means we get to see how he works with hopefully a focused Republican controlled Congress (as opposed to the spend happy one that failed so miserably before).

Interesting. Folks like you are becoming rarer and rarer. Hindsight being what it is and all...

[Skjellyfetti]

You have become the KING of spin and deceipt and have pretty much stolen the "partisan hack" title away from Travis.

Amazing considering your chart is not serious or thoughtful.

**** socialist.

It's a chart meant to deceive.

I'm not kidding. Something happened to jelly this off season. Even though we disagreed 99% of the time, he was always pretty balanced in his demeanor. Lately he's gone WAAAYYYYYY off the deep left end and seems to be swimming further away at gold medal pace.

Jesus, dude. You don't seem to like my chart very much.


So, what is it about it that is so crazy exactly?

[89Hen]

So, what is it about it that is so crazy exactly?

Average cut ($)

It aint rocket science spinmeister.

[OL FU]

So, what is it about it that is so crazy exactly?

Average cut ($)

It aint rocket science spinmeister.

The only problem I have with the chart is how distorted the over million number is and that isn't really that big of a complaint. That number includes the very few that made $30M, $50M $100 million that distort the average way up.

The average guy who made a million ( did I say that), ok the typical guy who made a million probably got $40,000 tax cut. The guy that made $100M got $5M. Kinda distorts the average.

[Skjellyfetti]

I don't think the number for "average cut" is what's so important... more the fact that so much of the Bush tax cuts go the very wealthy. But, 89's just gonna call me a lunatic anyway.

[89Hen]

For full disclosure, he should have a similar chart that show average tax bill and that one you could either do as $ or % and it would look even MORE lopsided to the higher incomes. Jelly KNOWS he's in the wrong and that makes it even worse what he's doing.

[89Hen]

Average cut ($):

Ok. What the fuck is misleading about that?

I know you're not that stupid.

[Skjellyfetti]

Ok. What the **** is misleading about that?

I know you're not that stupid.

I get what y'all are saying about the average cut. But, it's not misleading because the same thing is done to the Obama cuts and the average is $6,349..... whereas the Bush ones are $103,835..... I get what y'all are saying that it makes it seem like someone making a million dollars a year is getting a $103,000 tax break. But, that's not what the chart is trying to show. It's comparing Bush's tax cuts to Obama's.

The rich get SIGNIFICANTLY higher tax breaks under Bush's. Right? That's the point of the chart and it's not misleading.

[89Hen]

I know you're not that stupid.

I get what y'all are saying about the average cut....

I take back my comment.

Here's a clue... it was the part in the parentheses that was the problem.

[89Hen]

Jelly, you and I go out for dinner. I order a $20 entree and you order a $100 kobe steak. The bill comes and I put in $24 ($20 for the food and 20% tip), you put in $120 ($100 for the steak and 20% tip).

Then the waiter comes back and says, "You're in luck. Today is half price night! Here is your $72." He then proceeds to hand me all of my money back and only gives you $48 back because you were eating a luxury item. Who got ripped off?

I only got $24 back and you got $48 back. Seems you got the better end of that deal, no?