A Welfare Check and a Voting Card

[hank scorpio]

So Rome fell because it was a wellfare state?

There are literally 100's of theories as to why the (Western) Roman Empire fell in the 5th century. One is that the native population of the Italian peninsula became a welfare state and hired those from the outlying areas of the Empire to defend it and to do the menial tasks that they would no longer perform.

The bold and the Christians.

[Skjellyfetti]

There are literally 100's of theories as to why the (Western) Roman Empire fell in the 5th century. One is that the native population of the Italian peninsula became a welfare state and hired those from the outlying areas of the Empire to defend it and to do the menial tasks that they would no longer perform.

And hegemonic empire is also what let them expand so far and so rapidly and was the foundation of their empire.

[LeadBolt]

There are literally 100's of theories as to why the (Western) Roman Empire fell in the 5th century. One is that the native population of the Italian peninsula became a welfare state and hired those from the outlying areas of the Empire to defend it and to do the menial tasks that they would no longer perform.

And hegemonic empire is also what let them expand so far and so rapidly and was the foundation of their empire.

Correct. That is not the point of the above very abbreviated statement. Hegemony is good. It is when the native population loses its initiative to work and becomes dependent upon the government that decay sets in.

[blueballs]

Remember folks, the "right" to vote is not a "right," it is a priviledge given by statute and can be altered MOL any way the legislature desires. An example of this is the electoral college.

I'm all for limiting the "right" to vote or establishing minimum criteria based on education, income, criminal records, etc. It is actually in all our collective best interests.

BULLSHIT. Voting is a right guaranteed by the Constitution.

Please cite the specific language in the constitution that states voting is a right.

[Skjellyfetti]

Please cite the specific language in the constitution that states voting is a right.

But when the right to vote at any election for the choice of electors for President and Vice-President of the United States, Representatives in Congress, the Executive and Judicial officers of a State, or the members of the Legislature thereof, is denied to any of the male inhabitants of such State, being twenty-one years of age, and citizens of the United States, or in any way abridged, except for participation in rebellion, or other crime, the basis of representation therein shall be reduced in the proportion which the number of such male citizens shall bear to the whole number of male citizens twenty-one years of age in such State.

The right of citizens of the United States to vote shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or by any State on account of race, color, or previous condition of servitude.

The right of citizens of the United States to vote shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or by any State on account of sex.

The right of citizens of the United States to vote in any primary or other election for President or Vice President, for electors for President or Vice President, or for Senator or Representative in Congress, shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or any State by reason of failure to pay any poll tax or other tax.

The right of citizens of the United States, who are eighteen years of age or older, to vote shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or by any State on account of age.

[Baldy]

Please cite the specific language in the constitution that states voting is a right.

But when the right to vote at any election for the choice of electors for President and Vice-President of the United States, Representatives in Congress, the Executive and Judicial officers of a State, or the members of the Legislature thereof, is denied to any of the male inhabitants of such State, being twenty-one years of age, and citizens of the United States, or in any way abridged, except for participation in rebellion, or other crime, the basis of representation therein shall be reduced in the proportion which the number of such male citizens shall bear to the whole number of male citizens twenty-one years of age in such State.

The right of citizens of the United States to vote shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or by any State on account of race, color, or previous condition of servitude.

The right of citizens of the United States to vote shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or by any State on account of sex.

The right of citizens of the United States to vote in any primary or other election for President or Vice President, for electors for President or Vice President, or for Senator or Representative in Congress, shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or any State by reason of failure to pay any poll tax or other tax.

The right of citizens of the United States, who are eighteen years of age or older, to vote shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or by any State on account of age.

Ummm no, sorry...

Voting is a privilege, not a right.
You don't have to believe me, just ask any Constitutional scholar. The little quotes you are referring simply sets criteria that can't be used to deny a vote to certain people, period. The only thing the Constitution requires is that Representatives and Senators be elected by "the people" and who those "people" are. Aside from that requirement, the states set the qualifications for voters.

[dbackjon]

Baldy - you just got made SK's bitch.

[Baldy]

Baldy - you just got made SK's bitch.

How? Proving him wrong by using facts?

If that's the case, I guess I'm your bitch, too.

[AZGrizFan]

Baldy - you just got made SK's bitch.

lubricunt's been getting his ass handed to him on a platter for the past 3 weeks, but I noticed you've never called THAT out...