FargoBison wrote: Both the right and left do this crap, it is getting tiring.
Thing is, by its very nature (being antigun and a bunch of pussies) the left doesn't lead to as militant a response among its followers. Please correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm not aware of any Republican elected figure (at the federal level) who has had threats made against them (guns fired into offices, broken windows, armed people showing up at rallies, death threats, that kind of thing). I definitely agree with you that the kneejerk reaction both sides have to anything the other does, anything they think they can spin to their benefit, is extremely tiring.
Very OT, but I just had to say, your avatar is fantastic.
Been a busy year or two for anti-government nutjobs to say the least.
Officials said they were evaluating an antigovernment manifesto posted on the Internet earlier Thursday, signed "Joe Stack," which suggested he planned the crash. "Violence not only is the answer, it is the only answer," the author wrote toward the end of a tirade against the IRS posted at 9:12 a.m. on a Web site registered to Mr. Stack.
AP
The man who allegedly shot at least one person Wednesday at the U.S. Holocaust Memorial Museum in Washington is believed have connections with white supremacist organizations and anti-government groups, according to reports.
Early reports on Roeder, who was taken into custody shortly after the shooting and is expected to be charged Tuesday, show a history of antiabortion, antigovernment philosophy and protest.
The man accused of driving into the entrance of the Planned Parenthood clinic in St. Paul on Thursday told police that Jesus instructed him to do it, according to charges filed Friday.
A city cab driver is in the hospital after being stabbed by a passenger who allegedly asked if he was Muslim, police tell NY1.
Investigators with the New York City Police Department say it all began Monday night when a 21-year-old man hailed a cab at 24th Street and Second Avenue in Manhattan.
Police say the passenger asked the driver, "Are you Muslim?" When the driver said yes the passenger pulled a knife and slashed him in the throat, arm and lip.
Raymond Franklin Peake III told investigators that "he would kill to defend his country and he was stealing weapons to defend his country," court documents read.
The Hampden Township man is in Cumberland County Prison without bail after being charged with homicide Saturday. Police said one of the weapons Peake, 64, stole resulted in the July 21 shooting death of lawyer Todd Getgen, 42, of Enola.
A 45-year-old parolee, described by his mother as angry at left-wing politicians, opened fire on California Highway Patrol officers on an Oakland freeway early Sunday and was hit by return fire while wearing body armor, authorities said.
She said her son, who had been a carpenter and a cabinetmaker before his imprisonment, was angry about his unemployment and about "what's happening to our country."
Williams watched the news on television and was upset by "the way Congress was railroading through all these left-wing agenda items," his mother said.
Investigators say the Kanes shot and killed West Memphis Police Officers Brandon Paudert and Bill Evans during a traffic stop along I-40 on Thursday, May 20, 2010. Crittenden County Sheriff Richard Busby and his Chief Deputy W.A. Wren were also injured in a shootout that followed in the West Memphis Walmart parking lot, ending with both suspects shot to death.
Kane and his son, by all accounts, didn't trust the U.S. Government. They didn't respect it, didn't think the laws that apply to the citizens in this country applied to them.
Law enforcement authorities are investigating the discovery of a cut propane gas line at the Virginia home of Rep. Thomas Perriello’s (D-Va.) brother, whose address was targeted by tea party activists angry at the congressman’s vote for the health care bill.
An aide to the congressman confirmed to POLITICO that a line to a propane tank behind his brother's home near Charlottesville had been sliced.
Authorities say Stone was one of two sons of David Brian Stone, 45, the alleged ringleader of the Christian militia group called Hutaree.
The anti-government militia allegedly plotted to kill law enforcement officers with improvised explosive devices and projectiles before being foiled by FBI raids that started Sunday in three states that netted nine members of an extremist group, federal authorities said today.
Four members of David Stone's family including his wife, Tina Stone, 44, and his two adult sons allegedly conspired with five other members of the fringe Christian militia group to kill a Michigan law enforcement officer and then ambush the officer's colleagues who would have gathered for the funeral, according to court documents.
GSUAlumniEagle wrote:
Giddy?! You think I'm giddy?!?!
I'm fucking mad as hell. That's what I am. For months you people labeled me, Congresswoman Giffords, the President of the United States, and just about everyone else who dared to disagree with dearest Sarah Palin and Glenn Beck as "socialists" or "people that hate America" or people that "hate the Constitution and all it stands for". And the Right was warned TIME AND FUCKING TIME AGAIN -- that while your intentions might not be violent, while your language might not be meant to rile up violence, while you may not have *wanted* someone to harm Congresswoman Giffords -- you failed to realize that there are crazy lunatics out there. And those crazy lunatics were more than willing to take your words and run with them.
You think I'm fucking giddy?!?!
I can't go into my in-laws home without having my President called the 'n' word. Without being called a socialist myself. Without having to be told that I somehow want them to pay for a black kid to sit on welfare and do drugs. That the Obama Administration is somehow using my fucking XBOX 360 Kinect to spy on me. That every Arab in this country, citizen or not, is a terrorist.
The Professional Right has made the people that were once center-right (which I'm willing to admit this country once was) into far right lunatics. And they've made people that were once far right lunatics into outright killing machines.
You think I'm giddy?! No, my friend. Far from giddy. I'm pissed.
Dayum. I like it. And I challenge any Conk to top it.
Top what? Obama was an "n" to his inlaws before he was president. Every arab was a terrorist to his inlaws before they flew planes into buildings. To blame Palin, Beck, Limbaugh, etc., for what some sick fuck decides to do is ludicrous and needs no further discussion. This guy was whacked, and it had nothing to do with anything anybody "said".
"Ah fuck. You are right." KYJelly, 11/6/12
"The future must not belong to those who slander the prophet of Islam." Barack Obama, 9/25/12
Chemhen wrote:
Uh, well if the scopes are on a person vs. on a state, that would be a difference. Kinda harder to shoot a state than a person (well and have it hurt the state, I guess you could shoot the ground). If you were to hang a target around the neck of a picture of a person, I'd say there's no difference. The picture I saw though had scopes on districts and then a list of names. Any difference there doesn't matter to me, anyway.
Baldy schooled by newbie. Film at 11!!!!
After all the times I have schooled you over the years, you must really feel like a freshly laid turd, now.
GSUAlumniEagle wrote:
Giddy?! You think I'm giddy?!?!
I'm fucking mad as hell. That's what I am. For months you people labeled me, Congresswoman Giffords, the President of the United States, and just about everyone else who dared to disagree with dearest Sarah Palin and Glenn Beck as "socialists" or "people that hate America" or people that "hate the Constitution and all it stands for". And the Right was warned TIME AND FUCKING TIME AGAIN -- that while your intentions might not be violent, while your language might not be meant to rile up violence, while you may not have *wanted* someone to harm Congresswoman Giffords -- you failed to realize that there are crazy lunatics out there. And those crazy lunatics were more than willing to take your words and run with them.
You think I'm fucking giddy?!?!
I can't go into my in-laws home without having my President called the 'n' word. Without being called a socialist myself. Without having to be told that I somehow want them to pay for a black kid to sit on welfare and do drugs. That the Obama Administration is somehow using my fucking XBOX 360 Kinect to spy on me. That every Arab in this country, citizen or not, is a terrorist.
The Professional Right has made the people that were once center-right (which I'm willing to admit this country once was) into far right lunatics. And they've made people that were once far right lunatics into outright killing machines.
You think I'm giddy?! No, my friend. Far from giddy. I'm pissed.
The limits of what is acceptable conduct change with the perception of what is at stake. It's the reason why horrors can be perpetrated in the name of a loving God. What the right has done in this country is to treat the consequences of any disagreement with neoconservatist thinking (defined by you-know-who) as the imminent destruction of America, Americans, and the American way of life. If you don't pass the Patriot Act, al Qaeda will murder you in your beds. If you don't prevent gay marriage your son will start sucking cock on the playground. If you don't oppose the FDA, we'll run out of food.
All they wanted was to impose their own definitions for ideological purity on conservative candidates and vote Democrats out of office. They've done that, but they've also given implicit permission for any nutjob to take matters into his or her own hands. After all, America is at stake. Your freedoms are at stake. Your children's futures are at stake. What would you not do to protect them?
The thing is, it works. It worked for Gingrich and it worked for Rove and its working for the Tea Party. And that means its not going away anytime soon.
And all the left wants to do is hold hands and sing cumbaya while chestnuts and gumdrops come out of our assholes and we pick money from the magic money tree.
Jesus H. Christ....give me a fucking break.
"Ah fuck. You are right." KYJelly, 11/6/12
"The future must not belong to those who slander the prophet of Islam." Barack Obama, 9/25/12
FargoBison wrote: Both the right and left do this crap, it is getting tiring.
Thing is, by its very nature (being antigun and a bunch of pussies) the left doesn't lead to as militant a response among its followers. Please correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm not aware of any Republican elected figure (at the federal level) who has had threats made against them (guns fired into offices, broken windows, armed people showing up at rallies, death threats, that kind of thing). I definitely agree with you that the kneejerk reaction both sides have to anything the other does, anything they think they can spin to their benefit, is extremely tiring.
Very OT, but I just had to say, your avatar is fantastic.
Are you fvcking serious? How long have you been living under a rock?
I could be here for the next decade posting links to tens of thousands of stories just like the ones in the tiny tiny tiny example above, and I haven't hit on the radical left-wing eco-terrorists, the violent grandfathers of modern day progressive revolutionaries (Weather Underground), or the numerous assaults conservative commentators have faced on college campuses.
Jeezus Christ, dude. Get out of that bubble you're living in.
FargoBison wrote:Really sad stuff in this thread, multiple people dead and it seems like one side was just giddy to use it to place blame on the other side. Pathetic, just completely pathetic.
Giddy?! You think I'm giddy?!?!
I'm **** mad as hell. That's what I am. For months you people labeled me, Congresswoman Giffords, the President of the United States, and just about everyone else who dared to disagree with dearest Sarah Palin and Glenn Beck as "socialists" or "people that hate America" or people that "hate the Constitution and all it stands for". And the Right was warned TIME AND **** TIME AGAIN -- that while your intentions might not be violent, while your language might not be meant to rile up violence, while you may not have *wanted* someone to harm Congresswoman Giffords -- you failed to realize that there are crazy lunatics out there. And those crazy lunatics were more than willing to take your words and run with them.
You think I'm **** giddy?!?!
I can't go into my in-laws home without having my President called the 'n' word. Without being called a socialist myself. Without having to be told that I somehow want them to pay for a black kid to sit on welfare and do drugs. That the Obama Administration is somehow using my **** XBOX 360 Kinect to spy on me. That every Arab in this country, citizen or not, is a terrorist.
The Professional Right has made the people that were once center-right (which I'm willing to admit this country once was) into far right lunatics. And they've made people that were once far right lunatics into outright killing machines.
You think I'm giddy?! No, my friend. Far from giddy. I'm pissed.
Jump to conclusions much?
From the limited reports I've been able to read, the people who knew the killer thought he was a leftist. If that is true, your preconceived notion bubble is about to burst.
GSUAlumniEagle wrote:
Giddy?! You think I'm giddy?!?!
I'm **** mad as hell. That's what I am. For months you people labeled me, Congresswoman Giffords, the President of the United States, and just about everyone else who dared to disagree with dearest Sarah Palin and Glenn Beck as "socialists" or "people that hate America" or people that "hate the Constitution and all it stands for". And the Right was warned TIME AND **** TIME AGAIN -- that while your intentions might not be violent, while your language might not be meant to rile up violence, while you may not have *wanted* someone to harm Congresswoman Giffords -- you failed to realize that there are crazy lunatics out there. And those crazy lunatics were more than willing to take your words and run with them.
You think I'm **** giddy?!?!
I can't go into my in-laws home without having my President called the 'n' word. Without being called a socialist myself. Without having to be told that I somehow want them to pay for a black kid to sit on welfare and do drugs. That the Obama Administration is somehow using my **** XBOX 360 Kinect to spy on me. That every Arab in this country, citizen or not, is a terrorist.
The Professional Right has made the people that were once center-right (which I'm willing to admit this country once was) into far right lunatics. And they've made people that were once far right lunatics into outright killing machines.
You think I'm giddy?! No, my friend. Far from giddy. I'm pissed.
Jump to conclusions much?
From the limited reports I've been able to read, the people who knew the killer thought he was a leftist. If that is true, your preconceived notion bubble is about to burst.
"For example, we're on Sarah Palin's targeted list, but the thing is, that the way that she has it depicted has the crosshairs of a gun sight over our district. When people do that, they have to realize that there are consequences to that action," Giffords said in an interview with MSNBC.
IMO opinion Palin should be investigated. Hopefully she'll eventually be arrested.
If a man does not keep pace with his companions, perhaps it is because he hears a different drummer. Let him step to the music which he hears, however measured or far away.
Henry David Thoreau, Walden, Conclusion, 1854
Chemhen wrote:
The limits of what is acceptable conduct change with the perception of what is at stake. It's the reason why horrors can be perpetrated in the name of a loving God. What the right has done in this country is to treat the consequences of any disagreement with neoconservatist thinking (defined by you-know-who) as the imminent destruction of America, Americans, and the American way of life. If you don't pass the Patriot Act, al Qaeda will murder you in your beds. If you don't prevent gay marriage your son will start sucking cock on the playground. If you don't oppose the FDA, we'll run out of food.
All they wanted was to impose their own definitions for ideological purity on conservative candidates and vote Democrats out of office. They've done that, but they've also given implicit permission for any nutjob to take matters into his or her own hands. After all, America is at stake. Your freedoms are at stake. Your children's futures are at stake. What would you not do to protect them?
The thing is, it works. It worked for Gingrich and it worked for Rove and its working for the Tea Party. And that means its not going away anytime soon.
And all the left wants to do is hold hands and sing cumbaya while chestnuts and gumdrops come out of our ******* and we pick money from the magic money tree.
Jesus H. Christ....give me a **** break.
Spot on, Z! The left needs to return to the old Red Brigades practice of kneecapping corporate pigs on the street.
You matter. Unless you multiply yourself by c squared. Then you energy.
"I really love America. I just don't know how to get there anymore."John Prine
dbackjon wrote:Federal Judge rumored to be among dead
The judge was John Roll, a Bush appointee.
Chief Justice John Roberts released a statement which said, in part, "...Chief Judge Roll’s death is a somber reminder of the importance of the rule of law and the sacrifices of those who work to secure it."
Well said.
Proud Prince of Purple Pomposity YT is not a communist. He's just a ...young pup.
dbackjon wrote:Federal Judge rumored to be among dead
The judge was John Roll, a Bush appointee.
Chief Justice John Roberts released a statement which said, in part, "...Chief Judge Roll’s death is a somber reminder of the importance of the rule of law and the sacrifices of those who work to secure it."
Well said.
Justice Roberts? The very same justice who just made government officially for sale to the highest bidder?
You tell 'em Johnny boy....
You matter. Unless you multiply yourself by c squared. Then you energy.
"I really love America. I just don't know how to get there anymore."John Prine
native wrote:
The judge was John Roll, a Bush appointee.
Chief Justice John Roberts released a statement which said, in part, "...Chief Judge Roll’s death is a somber reminder of the importance of the rule of law and the sacrifices of those who work to secure it."
Well said.
Justice Roberts? The very same justice who just made government officially for sale to the highest bidder?
You tell 'em Johnny boy....
Too late, the unions bought up the government decades ago.
From the limited reports I've been able to read, the people who knew the killer thought he was a leftist. If that is true, your preconceived notion bubble is about to burst.
One girl, who knew him 4 years ago.
"At that time, she said, he was very philosophical and leaned to the ‘left.’ She said, “For the Bush/Kerry election we all wore “1 term president” buttons. That election was HUGE to us.”
He had actually met Gabrielle Giffords in ‘07, and after asking her a question, told Caitie later that Gifford was “stupid and unintelligent.” The question he asked Giffords, Caitie said, “was odd & didn’t make sense, I can’t remember what it was. Just know it was weird.”
at the time she knew him, he was left wing, quite liberal, and “oddly obsessed with the 2012 prophecy.” “He wore shirts & bracelets about it. & liked to discuss 2012 w/ everyone!”
“liberal in wanting to change the way the world was run, we both wanted to. He took it to an extreme I never would’ve.” She said he was a “political radical” long before the teaparty, Glenn Beck, or Sarah Palin came on the scene.
“We listened to political punk in high school & agreed with their leftist opinions for the most part. Anti-Flag was our band.”
Anti-Flag is a punk rock band from Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania in the United States, formed in 1988, and known for its outspoken political views. Much of the band's lyrics have focused on fervent anti-war activism, criticism of United States foreign policy, corporatism, U.S. wealth distribution, and various sociopolitical sentiments. The line-up includes singer/guitarist Justin Sane and drummer Pat Thetic, who founded the band; later members are guitarist Chris Head, and singer/bassist Chris #2 who replaced Jamie "Cock" Towns, who had replaced original bassist Andy Flag in 1997 following his departure one year prior. Anti-Flag is known also for their advocacy of progressive political action groups such as Greenpeace and Amnesty International. Most recently, the band has focused criticism on the United States bailouts, which were executed to give massive portions of capital directly towards salvaging the national banks.
THE suspect being held over Saturday's shooting of US Congresswoman Gabrielle Giffords may have links to anti-Semitic race hate group American Renaissance.
An internal Department of Homeland Security (DHS) memo quoted by FOX News Channel revealed the gunman - named by the media as Jared Loughner, 22 - is "possibly linked" to American Renaissance.
The group subscribes to an ideology that is "anti-government, anti-immigration, anti -ZOG (Zionist Occupational Government), anti-Semitic," according to the DHS memo.
This group has ties to many anti-immigration groups. James O'Keefe - conservative hero to many, including here on this board, is also associated with this group.
For those that forgot, James O'Keefe created the ACORN "exposes" that the right frothed over, and were later found to be faked.
Christina Green, the 9-year-old girl killed yesterday was the granddaughter of former Phillies manager Dallas Green. She was born on September 11, 2001.
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SDHornet wrote:On the other side of the coin...anyone else think this will be used to restrict more of our civil liberties? (Freedoms of speech, gun rights, etc...)
Yes, there is a good chance that many will hysterically, shamelessly, and inaccurately politicize this moment and use it to demonize their political opponents and extract political advantage - like skelly, dbjon, unh, mj, gsualum have already attempted, like the Sheriff Dubnik attempted at his press conference last night, and like Bill Clinton did somewhat successfully following the Waco and Oklahoma City disasters.
It won't work this time, fellas. Go ahead and try. Representative Gifford's father has an excuse that we can all understand. There is no excuse for the rest of you. You and the nut job du jour are the problem, not Sarah Palin or the Tea Party.
President Obama deserves credit for learning from his mistakes and being Presidential at this moment by refusing to politicize the assassination attempt. I hope he maintains his composure and stays on the high road.
Much credit also goes to the majority of posters on this web site from all political persuasions who, like the President, have kept a level head and refused to politicize this event - death dealer, bluehen86 and sdhornet to name just a few.
God help us all.
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Proud Prince of Purple Pomposity YT is not a communist. He's just a ...young pup.
SDHornet wrote:On the other side of the coin...anyone else think this will be used to restrict more of our civil liberties? (Freedoms of speech, gun rights, etc...)
Yes, there is a good chance that many will hysterically, shamelessly, and inaccurately politicize this moment and use it to demonize their political opponents and extract political advantage - like skelly, dbjon, unh, mj, gsualum have already attempted, like the Sheriff Dubnik attempted at his press conference last night, and like Bill Clinton did somewhat successfully following the Waco and Oklahoma City disasters.
It won't work this time, fellas. Go ahead and try. Representative Gifford's father has an excuse that we can all understand. There is no excuse for the rest of you. You and the nut job du jour are the problem, not Sarah Palin or the Tea Party.
President Obama deserves credit for learning from his mistakes and being Presidential at this moment by refusing to politicize the assasination attempt. I hope he maintains his composure and stays on the high road.
Much credit also goes to the majority of posters on this web site from all political persuasions who, like the President, have kept a level head and refused to politicize this event - death dealer, bluehen86 and sdhornet to name just a few.
God help us all.
This is a terrible shooting and people that politicize it are near the same level as the shooter for spreading the hate and anger.
