Mubarak Resigns - Hands Power to Military

[TwinTownBisonFan]

of course, a neocon could argue (not that I would, per se) that because of American guns the ball started to roll in terms of democracy in the Middle East. First Iraq, and it's still rolling from there. Not exactly the smoothest and smartest way to get the ball rolling, but a way nonetheless.

After the invasion of Iraq, Libya folded like a cheap tent.

Qaddafi is still in power, he said what he needed to in order to survive... but as you implied in the other thread... has he changed his spots? (the internal repression of his people suggests... only so much)

[houndawg]

So it really is the second coming of Carter...I thought folks were joking

Interesting that these events are taking place the same week as Reagan’s 100th birthday. A great reminder of who saved America & the world from Carter’s incompetence. will be interesting to see if anyone can save us from Obama

Living proof of Everett's Many Worlds Interpretation of quantum mechanics.

Howzit going in your parallel world, Bongo?

[YoUDeeMan]

After the invasion of Iraq, Libya folded like a cheap tent.

Qaddafi is still in power, he said what he needed to in order to survive... but as you implied in the other thread... has he changed his spots? (the internal repression of his people suggests... only so much)

Stop the nonsense. Libya was all over the place causing trouble...Q-boy was full of himself. He may be a tyrant inside his borders, but he, in fear for his life, stopped exporting his crap.

BTW, what suggestions do you have for Obama in regards to the oppression in China...those people in Tibet, and the Muslim population, are as oppressed as anyone. Obama does nothing.

How about dozens of other countries that we deal with? Obama is quiet while masses suffer. Only when it seemed SAFE, did Obama start joining the calls for change in Egypt. How farkin funny is that...the man of Change...and, in reality, displaying little of it... waits until other people, with more balls - balls enough to sacrifice lives (where are the Libs now) - show some resolve, before he joins in the call for change in Egypt.

Face it, Bush triggered the change in the Middle East...not Obama (he who sat idly by while Iran's revolution got squashed).

[houndawg]

Qaddafi is still in power, he said what he needed to in order to survive... but as you implied in the other thread... has he changed his spots? (the internal repression of his people suggests... only so much)

Stop the nonsense. Libya was all over the place causing trouble...Q-boy was full of himself. He may be a tyrant inside his borders, but he, in fear for his life, stopped exporting his crap.

BTW, what suggestions do you have for Obama in regards to the oppression in China...those people in Tibet, and the Muslim population, are as oppressed as anyone. Obama does nothing.

How about dozens of other countries that we deal with? Obama is quiet while masses suffer. Only when it seemed SAFE, did Obama start joining the calls for change in Egypt. How farkin funny is that...the man of Change...and, in reality, displaying little of it... waits until other people, with more balls - balls enough to sacrifice lives (where are the Libs now) - show some resolve, before he joins in the call for change in Egypt.

Face it, Bush triggered the change in the Middle East...not Obama (he who sat idly by while Iran's revolution got squashed).

What are we supposed to tell China, Cluck? When was the last time you got tough with your banker?

There is a new power rising and an older power beginning to decline, as it ever has been. Things are changing and there isn't much we can do about it but adjust our tactics.

[Grizalltheway]

Qaddafi is still in power, he said what he needed to in order to survive... but as you implied in the other thread... has he changed his spots? (the internal repression of his people suggests... only so much)

Stop the nonsense. Libya was all over the place causing trouble...Q-boy was full of himself. He may be a tyrant inside his borders, but he, in fear for his life, stopped exporting his crap.

BTW, what suggestions do you have for Obama in regards to the oppression in China...those people in Tibet, and the Muslim population, are as oppressed as anyone. Obama does nothing.

How about dozens of other countries that we deal with? Obama is quiet while masses suffer. Only when it seemed SAFE, did Obama start joining the calls for change in Egypt. How farkin funny is that...the man of Change...and, in reality, displaying little of it... waits until other people, with more balls - balls enough to sacrifice lives (where are the Libs now) - show some resolve, before he joins in the call for change in Egypt.

Face it, Bush triggered the change in the Middle East...not Obama (he who sat idly by while Iran's revolution got squashed).

Oh jesus. I'm sure Cheny, Wolfo and Rummy had exactly this revolution in mind when they started plotting revenge for George I.

[Baldy]

After the invasion of Iraq, Libya folded like a cheap tent.

Qaddafi is still in power, he said what he needed to in order to survive... but as you implied in the other thread... has he changed his spots? (the internal repression of his people suggests... only so much)

Ahmadinejad and the Mullahs are still in power, too. Where was Obama when they rose up in protest 18 months ago and begging for our assistance?

He was too busy not "meddling" and playing his fiddle while Tehran burned.

[TwinTownBisonFan]

Qaddafi is still in power, he said what he needed to in order to survive... but as you implied in the other thread... has he changed his spots? (the internal repression of his people suggests... only so much)

Ahmadinejad and the Mullahs are still in power, too. Where was Obama when they rose up in protest 18 months ago and begging for our assistance?

He was too busy not "meddling" and playing his fiddle while Tehran burned.

and it was the right thing to do... any meddling would have only brought down that revolution sooner... and Ahmedinijad would be even strong than he is today as a result...

my point to native was in reference to another thread. he was suggest it is not possible for a person or political movement to change its stripes... and here he was seemingly contradicting himself...

it's amazing to me watching conks shit the bed over Egypt. it really appears to have divided them... half of them are raging because we abandoned a dictator who was in our pocket in exchange for what is likely to be a democratic regime (the beck/hannity crowd) and the other half are more mainstream conks pleased with events in Egypt - and not so blinded by their domestic political ambitions that they might *gasp* give Obama credit for handling a delicate situation with the proper touch.

[Baldy]

Ahmadinejad and the Mullahs are still in power, too. Where was Obama when they rose up in protest 18 months ago and begging for our assistance?

He was too busy not "meddling" and playing his fiddle while Tehran burned.

and it was the right thing to do... any meddling would have only brought down that revolution sooner... and Ahmedinijad would be even strong than he is today as a result...

my point to native was in reference to another thread. he was suggest it is not possible for a person or political movement to change its stripes... and here he was seemingly contradicting himself...

it's amazing to me watching conks shit the bed over Egypt. it really appears to have divided them... half of them are raging because we abandoned a dictator who was in our pocket in exchange for what is likely to be a democratic regime (the beck/hannity crowd) and the other half are more mainstream conks pleased with events in Egypt - and not so blinded by their domestic political ambitions that they might *gasp* give Obama credit for handling a delicate situation with the proper touch.

Doubtful.

The only people who hate us more than Iran in the middle east is Al-Qaeda and Hamas. Hell, 85% of Muslims in the middle east hate Iran more than they do Israel. All we would have to had done is show support ourselves and shore up support from the Saudis, Jordan, Egypt, Turkey and even Israel. The only choice the Mullahs would have had would have been to but give up control.

It isn't only the Republicans. The Donks don't know whether to shit on one hand or wipe with the other. It's a very tricky situation over there right now, and Obama has handled the situation about as well as he could. However, Obama better find leadership abilities somewhere because if he lets Egypt get away like Carter did Iran, he might have to leave Washington in January 2013 much like Mubarak left Cairo Friday afternoon.

[BDKJMU]

And a few years ago you libs were saying how foolish GWB and the neocons were for suggesting there could be democracy in the Middle East.

no - I said the neocons were foolish for suggesting Middle East democracy could be won at the point of American guns.

If you think it was going to happen on its own in Iraq you're kidding yourself.

[houndawg]

and it was the right thing to do... any meddling would have only brought down that revolution sooner... and Ahmedinijad would be even strong than he is today as a result...

my point to native was in reference to another thread. he was suggest it is not possible for a person or political movement to change its stripes... and here he was seemingly contradicting himself...

it's amazing to me watching conks **** the bed over Egypt. it really appears to have divided them... half of them are raging because we abandoned a dictator who was in our pocket in exchange for what is likely to be a democratic regime (the beck/hannity crowd) and the other half are more mainstream conks pleased with events in Egypt - and not so blinded by their domestic political ambitions that they might *gasp* give Obama credit for handling a delicate situation with the proper touch.

Doubtful.

The only people who hate us more than Iran in the middle east is Al-Qaeda and Hamas. Hell, 85% of Muslims in the middle east hate Iran more than they do Israel. All we would have to had done is show support ourselves and shore up support from the Saudis, Jordan, Egypt, Turkey and even Israel. The only choice the Mullahs would have had would have been to but give up control.

It isn't only the Republicans. The Donks don't know whether to **** on one hand or wipe with the other. It's a very tricky situation over there right now, and Obama has handled the situation about as well as he could. However, Obama better find leadership abilities somewhere because if he lets Egypt get away like Carter did Iran, he might have to leave Washington in January 2013 much like Mubarak left Cairo Friday afternoon.

Carter "let Iran get away", I gotta hear how this happened.

[kalm]

Doubtful.

The only people who hate us more than Iran in the middle east is Al-Qaeda and Hamas. Hell, 85% of Muslims in the middle east hate Iran more than they do Israel. All we would have to had done is show support ourselves and shore up support from the Saudis, Jordan, Egypt, Turkey and even Israel. The only choice the Mullahs would have had would have been to but give up control.

It isn't only the Republicans. The Donks don't know whether to **** on one hand or wipe with the other. It's a very tricky situation over there right now, and Obama has handled the situation about as well as he could. However, Obama better find leadership abilities somewhere because if he lets Egypt get away like Carter did Iran, he might have to leave Washington in January 2013 much like Mubarak left Cairo Friday afternoon.

Carter "let Iran get away", I gotta hear how this happened.

As TTBF pointed out, its good to see the interventionist, neo-conk wing of the Republican Party is alive and well. Now is the perfect time to invade Iran, and we can cut taxes to pay for it! It's a win, win!

[houndawg]

Carter "let Iran get away", I gotta hear how this happened.

As TTBF pointed out, its good to see the interventionist, neo-conk wing of the Republican Party is alive and well. Now is the perfect time to invade Iran, and we can cut taxes to pay for it! It's a win, win!

Iranian oil could pay for the whole operation, just like Iraq! Oh, wait....

[Grizalltheway]

no - I said the neocons were foolish for suggesting Middle East democracy could be won at the point of American guns.

If you think it was going to happen on its own in Iraq you're kidding yourself.

Answer the question, Mort. Was it worth 4,000 American lives? Did you sign up to go and catch bullets to make it happen?

[houndawg]

If you think it was going to happen on its own in Iraq you're kidding yourself.

Answer the question, Mort. Was it worth 4,000 American lives? Did you sign up to go and catch bullets to make it happen?

Good question!

You won't find many honks in that situation. They stay behind and talk about mushroom clouds in 45 minutes.

[TwinTownBisonFan]

no - I said the neocons were foolish for suggesting Middle East democracy could be won at the point of American guns.

If you think it was going to happen on its own in Iraq you're kidding yourself.

it would have... eventually. not nearly soon enough in all likelyhood. however, I still contend that the billions spent, the four thousand Americans dead, the tens of thousands of Iraqis dead, the initiative lost in Afghanistan and the immense damage done to our image in the world... it wasn't even close to worth it.

[houndawg]

If you think it was going to happen on its own in Iraq you're kidding yourself.

it would have... eventually. not nearly soon enough in all likelyhood. however, I still contend that the billions spent, the four thousand Americans dead, the tens of thousands of Iraqis dead, the initiative lost in Afghanistan and the immense damage done to our image in the world... it wasn't even close to worth it.

It will take decades to recover our prestige and bin Laden is still out there. We couldn't have failed more miserably if Osama himself had written the script.

Why do these honk fcks hate America?

[CID1990]

Answer the question, Mort. Was it worth 4,000 American lives? Did you sign up to go and catch bullets to make it happen?

Good question!

You won't find many honks in that situation. They stay behind and talk about mushroom clouds in 45 minutes.

Well, I was there from 2004-2005, and I'll say it. I wasn't going to happen by itself.

Was it worth 4000 lives? I don't know yet, and neither do you.

[houndawg]

Good question!

You won't find many honks in that situation. They stay behind and talk about mushroom clouds in 45 minutes.

Well, I was there from 2004-2005, and I'll say it. I wasn't going to happen by itself.

Was it worth 4000 lives? I don't know yet, and neither do you.

I appreciate your service CID. Glad you made it back.

[Thumper 76]

it would have... eventually. not nearly soon enough in all likelyhood. however, I still contend that the billions spent, the four thousand Americans dead, the tens of thousands of Iraqis dead, the initiative lost in Afghanistan and the immense damage done to our image in the world... it wasn't even close to worth it.

It will take decades to recover our prestige and bin Laden is still out there. We couldn't have failed more miserably if Osama himself had written the script.

Why do these honk fcks hate America?

Yeah cause they all loved the shit out of us before that