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TwinTownBisonFan wrote:proper chili should have beans.

No, proper chili needs to include wolf meat, as well as brucellosis-laden bison
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TwinTownBisonFan wrote:proper chili should have beans.
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Nice work, TTBF! :thumb:

Looks like only a very few of us know about REAL chili, huh!??! :clap:
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Grizo406 wrote:
TwinTownBisonFan wrote:proper chili should have beans.
:nod: :nod: :nod:

Nice work, TTBF! :thumb:

Looks like only a very few of us know about REAL chili, huh!??! :clap:
My family's chili recipe includes 3-4 different kinds of beans!

And that's what makes it incredibly good. :nod: :nod:

Is the beef good? Yes. Are the seasonings good? Absolutely! But the beans make it a meal. The beans make it a chili, and not taco filling/coney sauce.

Now what's all this cell phone talk doing in our chili thread? :tothehand:
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ToTheLeft wrote:
Grizo406 wrote:
:nod: :nod: :nod:

Nice work, TTBF! :thumb:

Looks like only a very few of us know about REAL chili, huh!??! :clap:
My family's chili recipe includes 3-4 different kinds of beans!

And that's what makes it incredibly good. :nod: :nod:

Is the beef good? Yes. Are the seasonings good? Absolutely! But the beans make it a meal. The beans make it a chili, and not taco filling/coney sauce.

Now what's all this cell phone talk doing in our chili thread? :tothehand:
Why would you limit chili to just beef?

And what about onions, different kinds of peppers, etc? As Ursus says, beans are just filler for uncreative/lazy people. :nod:
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The beautiful thing about chili is that you can put anything you want in it and it's fucking amazing.

i put usweetened chocolate and a stout in mine.
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What kind of peppers do you all put in your chili? I put chipotle peppers in adobo sauce in my last batch and the flavor was good, but the spice wasn't what I wanted. Thinking of adding a couple serrano peppers next time, or should I go full-stop and throw in haberenos?
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Hey St Onge, does walletpop have any reviews of peanut butter?
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mebison wrote:What kind of peppers do you all put in your chili? I put chipotle peppers in adobo sauce in my last batch and the flavor was good, but the spice wasn't what I wanted. Thinking of adding a couple serrano peppers next time, or should I go full-stop and throw in haberenos?

I usually go with diced red or green bells, but habaneros would definitely give it some kick. :nod:
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diced red and green bells and a jalapeno in mine...

also use both ground beef and ground pork (really brings up the flavor)
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TwinTownBisonFan wrote:diced red and green bells and a jalapeno in mine...

also use both ground beef and ground pork (really brings up the flavor)
Made some with Spanish chorizo a couple weeks ago...fokking delicious.
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mebison wrote:What kind of peppers do you all put in your chili? I put chipotle peppers in adobo sauce in my last batch and the flavor was good, but the spice wasn't what I wanted. Thinking of adding a couple serrano peppers next time, or should I go full-stop and throw in haberenos?
Pasillas are a good choice or poblanos if you want to get fancy. They're low grade heat but flavorful, and there's always condiments to help bring the fire for the spicy snobs.
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Grizalltheway wrote:
TwinTownBisonFan wrote:diced red and green bells and a jalapeno in mine...

also use both ground beef and ground pork (really brings up the flavor)
Made some with Spanish chorizo a couple weeks ago...fokking delicious.
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TwinTownBisonFan wrote:
Grizalltheway wrote:
Made some with Spanish chorizo a couple weeks ago...fokking delicious.
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Grizalltheway wrote:
TwinTownBisonFan wrote:diced red and green bells and a jalapeno in mine...

also use both ground beef and ground pork (really brings up the flavor)
Made some with Spanish chorizo a couple weeks ago...fokking delicious.
Spanish chorizo? :?
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houndawg wrote:
Grizalltheway wrote:
Made some with Spanish chorizo a couple weeks ago...fokking delicious.
Spanish chorizo? :?
Chorizo originates from the Iberian Peninsula
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Skjellyfetti wrote:
JohnStOnge wrote: How about you give me an example of a case in which I have lost touch with reality.
Citing walletpop.com's cell phone reviews as evidence of the deterioration of western culture.
Technically, it's not walletpop's review. Walletpop is reporing on it. But that's not important.

The existence of something like this is symptomatic of a larger phenonmenon by which reality is often sacrificed upon the alters of things like environmentalism and egalitarianism. That is reality.

Here we are talking about cell phones. But the tendency is inextricably woven into the fabric of our culture.
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You're certainly in touch with your version of reality, but it's not one shared by most people.
Reality is reality. It is independent of one's perception of it. It is also not determined by majority vote. It is what it is. There was a time when the overwhelming majority of people thought the world is flat. That didn't make it reality.
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[quote="Chizzang]John,
Did you get hit in the head recently..?

It is still a brand review
Cell phones is the category of this particular brand review
:[/quote]

Ok. It's a brand review. But why is that distinction important? It is presented in order to "help" people in making decisions about product purchases. Here is an explanation from the "Good Guide" web site:

"GoodGuide's summary rating combines product- and company-level information to characterize a product's health, environmental and social impacts. We provide a summary score because consumers want simple, actionable information that makes it easy to identify better products. In GoodGuide's system, the best products do not pose significant health or environmental risks and are made by companies that operate sustainably and responsibly.


So why is the distinction between "brand" and "product" important in this case? If the purpose is to help consumers "identify better products," why is it not essentially a product review? If I say "don't buy Brand X because it makes the worst products," am I not effectively giving you a product review? Yes, I'm lumping all the products together by brand. But I'm still commenting on the products.
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How is a brand review of cell phones the coming end of Western Culture?
I didn't say it means Western Culture is coming to an end. In fact, in the post to which you responded, I specifically said I don't know if it is. I just said it's an indication of what the Culture is coming to. It's a culture that is increasingly influenced by egalitarian and environmentalist (preservationist) biases. It causes us to make our decisions based on how we think the world should be rather than as it is. An example, I think, is the prevalence of educational and social science supporting the idea of having "diversity" in various environments. The bias is towards having a situation in which different groups in the population are represented in each setting in proportions at least approaching the proportion of each group in the population. So we have research "showing" that having such diversity makes each work or eductional group more effective.

As a result we have moved farther away from simply selecting the most qualified and capable people So we don't just worry about having the best engineers, for example. We worry about being able to say that the proportions of different races and sexes among engineers are comparable to the proportions of those groups in the population. And that idea is a factor in the subject ratings.

I'm not saying being affected by biases like that is anything new. It's always been like that. The biases were different. But I do think it's getting really bad now.
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JohnStOnge wrote:
How is a brand review of cell phones the coming end of Western Culture?
I didn't say it means Western Culture is coming to an end. In fact, in the post to which you responded, I specifically said I don't know if it is. I just said it's an indication of what the Culture is coming to. It's a culture that is increasingly influenced by egalitarian and environmentalist (preservationist) biases. It causes us to make our decisions based on how we think the world should be rather than as it is. An example, I think, is the prevalence of educational and social science supporting the idea of having "diversity" in various environments. The bias is towards having a situation in which different groups in the population are represented in each setting in proportions at least approaching the proportion of each group in the population. So we have research "showing" that having such diversity makes each work or eductional group more effective.

As a result we have moved farther away from simply selecting the most qualified and capable people So we don't just worry about having the best engineers, for example. We worry about being able to say that the proportions of different races and sexes among engineers are comparable to the proportions of those groups in the population. And that idea is a factor in the subject ratings.

I'm not saying being affected by biases like that is anything new. It's always been like that. The biases were different. But I do think it's getting really bad now.
So if I'm catching your drift, we should send the coloreds back to Africa, make the chicks stay at home, and keep the chorizo out of perfectly fine ground beef chili?
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JohnStOnge wrote:
You're certainly in touch with your version of reality, but it's not one shared by most people.
Reality is reality. It is independent of one's perception of it. It is also not determined by majority vote. It is what it is. There was a time when the overwhelming majority of people thought the world is flat. That didn't make it reality.
Going Newtonian on us, John?
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Grizalltheway wrote:
ToTheLeft wrote:
My family's chili recipe includes 3-4 different kinds of beans!

And that's what makes it incredibly good. :nod: :nod:

Is the beef good? Yes. Are the seasonings good? Absolutely! But the beans make it a meal. The beans make it a chili, and not taco filling/coney sauce.

Now what's all this cell phone talk doing in our chili thread? :tothehand:
Why would you limit chili to just beef?

And what about onions, different kinds of peppers, etc? As Ursus says, beans are just filler for uncreative/lazy people. :nod:
Beans are just filler. Make the pot stretch further. I think it's time we got together for a CS.com chili cookoff so we can settle this debate once and for all. I vote for Missoula as the host city being as it's loud and cold here.
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Vidav wrote:
Grizalltheway wrote:
Why would you limit chili to just beef?

And what about onions, different kinds of peppers, etc? As Ursus says, beans are just filler for uncreative/lazy people. :nod:
Beans are just filler. Make the pot stretch further. I think it's time we got together for a CS.com chili cookoff so we can settle this debate once and for all. I vote for Missoula s the host city being as it's loud and cold here.
Make it September 17th and I will be there. :nod:
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kalm wrote:
JohnStOnge wrote:
I didn't say it means Western Culture is coming to an end. In fact, in the post to which you responded, I specifically said I don't know if it is. I just said it's an indication of what the Culture is coming to. It's a culture that is increasingly influenced by egalitarian and environmentalist (preservationist) biases. It causes us to make our decisions based on how we think the world should be rather than as it is. An example, I think, is the prevalence of educational and social science supporting the idea of having "diversity" in various environments. The bias is towards having a situation in which different groups in the population are represented in each setting in proportions at least approaching the proportion of each group in the population. So we have research "showing" that having such diversity makes each work or eductional group more effective.

As a result we have moved farther away from simply selecting the most qualified and capable people So we don't just worry about having the best engineers, for example. We worry about being able to say that the proportions of different races and sexes among engineers are comparable to the proportions of those groups in the population. And that idea is a factor in the subject ratings.

I'm not saying being affected by biases like that is anything new. It's always been like that. The biases were different. But I do think it's getting really bad now.
So if I'm catching your drift, we should send the coloreds back to Africa, make the chicks stay at home, and keep the chorizo out of perfectly fine ground beef chili?
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bandl wrote:
houndawg wrote:
Spanish chorizo? :?
Chorizo originates from the Iberian Peninsula
True, but I have never seen it in the US, only Mexican chorizo. Which I'm a huge fan of.
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