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Wedgebuster wrote:As a very, very young boy, I spent 2 years in a Muslim country. My sister was 4 years older and attended grade school there, my brother was 8 years older and he attended Jr. High over there. My dad was an Army Officer, and he was kept busy on military business while my mother dealt with the house servants that we were required to employ, and the heavily armed guards who kept watch at our front gate.

My families take on Muslims;

1) You can not trust them, they do not accept us as their equals, ever.
2) They can respect you, if you hold all the power, but you still can not trust them.
3) The only true power we will ever have on them is force, they respect that, but you still can't trust them.

4) Last but not least, you can not trust them.
I lived in one for a year when I was 14/15 and had pretty much the opposite experience but I wasn't near a military post and we didn't have servants. Didn't have to go to school so I roamed the countryside unescorted a lot, and never felt threatened. Shopped in the souk alone for several of the moms, and the biggest problem was getting done in time to catch the Land Rover back to camp because of the curiosity and hospitality of the locals. Always had to stop somewhere for the obligatory three cups of mint tea. Berbers are mostly country people, too, and that could make a difference.
They're also very musical people. Ever hear of The Berber of Seville? :?
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houndawg wrote:
Wedgebuster wrote:As a very, very young boy, I spent 2 years in a Muslim country. My sister was 4 years older and attended grade school there, my brother was 8 years older and he attended Jr. High over there. My dad was an Army Officer, and he was kept busy on military business while my mother dealt with the house servants that we were required to employ, and the heavily armed guards who kept watch at our front gate.

My families take on Muslims;

1) You can not trust them, they do not accept us as their equals, ever.
2) They can respect you, if you hold all the power, but you still can not trust them.
3) The only true power we will ever have on them is force, they respect that, but you still can't trust them.

4) Last but not least, you can not trust them.
I lived in one for a year when I was 14/15 and had pretty much the opposite experience but I wasn't near a military post and we didn't have servants. Didn't have to go to school so I roamed the countryside unescorted a lot, and never felt threatened. Shopped in the souk alone for several of the moms, and the biggest problem was getting done in time to catch the Land Rover back to camp because of the curiosity and hospitality of the locals. Always had to stop somewhere for the obligatory three cups of mint tea. Berbers are mostly country people, too, and that could make a difference.
I think you hit the nail on the head about rural folks. The Bedouins are probably the most hospitable folks on the face of the earth. Most of the problems we are seeing are eminating from urban areas. It is not the majority, but a growing and determined minority that are causing the issues, reminiscent of 1930's Germany....
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LeadBolt wrote: How many would you recommend as the appropriate number we sit back and allow to happen before we ask questions?
Whoa, there LeadBolt...Grizsubzero, despite calling himself a Lib, really has a slow, conservative mind...he only deals with what has happened instead of preparing for the future.

Give him a chance to process things. After getting his azz kicked in about the whole Palestine herring, Griznotallthewaythere is still working on the questions below...he didn't have an answer, so he has to do research until he can find a little tiny piece to support his little tiny...idea. :lol:
Cluck U wrote: How's that working in Saudi Arabia, Egypt, and the rest of the Middle East? :lol:

As far as hysterics, what quotes have you heard form the commission that you'd consider hysterical? Any specifics? What have you found offensive? What specific items have you heard that any Muslim has found to be offensive?
Hey, Leadbolt, have you ever seen a dog that just can't stop kicking its legs if it gets rubbed in the right place? Some folks are just like that...Grizfraction gets word that there is a hearing about a serious issue, the possibility of more home grown Muslim extremists, and his leg just keeps kicking uncontrollably...except in this case it is his mind. He instantly reacts with jerks and fits even though he really doesn't know what it is that is bothering him.

Give him time to attempt to process the info...it might be all for naught anyway, but I'm sure he'll throw out another spasm soon enough. :thumb:
I wish I could say the hard on you have for me is impressive, but seriously, you're going to have to bring more than an angry inch to this thing.

Federal and local law enforcement have done a tremendous job of stopping home-grown and external terrorist plots before they come to fruition. And, like TTBF said, they've made a lot of in-roads into the radical elements in Muslim communities around the country. King's hearings are nothing more than political grandstanding to please paranoid, angry, foaming-at-the-mouth conk fucksticks like yourself.
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Grizalltheway wrote:I wish I could say the hard on you have for me is impressive, but seriously, you're going to have to bring more than an angry inch to this thing.

Federal and local law enforcement have done a tremendous job of stopping home-grown and external terrorist plots before they come to fruition. And, like TTBF said, they've made a lot of in-roads into the radical elements in Muslim communities around the country. King's hearings are nothing more than political grandstanding to please paranoid, angry, foaming-at-the-mouth conk **** like yourself.
Good lord, at least try to be funny. There's a whole internet out there that you could borrow material from if you can't think of anything yourself. :ugeek:

Speaking of not thinking of anything yourself:
Cluck U wrote:How's that working in Saudi Arabia, Egypt, and the rest of the Middle East? :lol:

As far as hysterics, what quotes have you heard form the commission that you'd consider hysterical? Any specifics? What have you found offensive? What specific items have you heard that any Muslim has found to be offensive?
You came up empty. :nod:

It's OK, you got caught being a liberal lemming. :kisswink:
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Cluck U wrote:
Grizalltheway wrote:I wish I could say the hard on you have for me is impressive, but seriously, you're going to have to bring more than an angry inch to this thing.

Federal and local law enforcement have done a tremendous job of stopping home-grown and external terrorist plots before they come to fruition. And, like TTBF said, they've made a lot of in-roads into the radical elements in Muslim communities around the country. King's hearings are nothing more than political grandstanding to please paranoid, angry, foaming-at-the-mouth conk **** like yourself.
Good lord, at least try to be funny. There's a whole internet out there that you could borrow material from if you can't think of anything yourself. :ugeek:

Speaking of not thinking of anything yourself:
Cluck U wrote:How's that working in Saudi Arabia, Egypt, and the rest of the Middle East? :lol:

As far as hysterics, what quotes have you heard form the commission that you'd consider hysterical? Any specifics? What have you found offensive? What specific items have you heard that any Muslim has found to be offensive?
You came up empty. :nod:

It's OK, you got caught being a liberal lemming. :kisswink:
http://losgatos.patch.com/articles/is-p ... n-hearings" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
When asked about the preference for anonymity, he referred to the recent killing of two Sikhs in Sacramento (probably mistaken for Muslims) and the recent alleged Tea Party protest in Southern California of a Muslim fundraising effort. It appears this Muslim community feels vulnerable to extremists.

We wondered if he and his colleagues were aware of the new congressional hearings. He proved not only aware but articulate about it. In consternation, he asked, “Do we seek integration or alienation?” He is convinced the hearings will produce a context of wholly unnecessary suspicion of Muslims.
More evidence of scare-mongering from conks:
Representative Peter T. King of New York, chairman of the House Homeland Security Committee, led off the critics, calling CAIR “discredited” and congratulating the Federal Bureau of Investigation for cutting off high-level cooperation with the group. Representative Frank R. Wolf of Virginia accused CAIR of “an attempt to stifle debate and obstruct cooperation with law enforcement.” Representative Chip Cravaack of Minnesota went further, telling a witness, Leroy D. Baca, the Los Angeles County sheriff, “Basically, you’re dealing with a terrorist organization.”

Sheriff Baca, the only law enforcement official invited to testify, said he worked regularly with the CAIR chapter in his area and pushed back. “I have not experienced anything that suggests that CAIR supports terrorism,” he said. He suggested that such accusations should not be cast about recklessly in the absence of solid evidence.
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/03/12/us/po ... slims.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Alright, I did my homework. Now, it's time for you to ask every practicing and non-practicing Muslim in the country whether or not they were offended in any way by King's hearings. Or, I guess you could continue to be your pompous, know-it-all self, and tell them exactly how they should feel about it. :thumb:
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Grizalltheway wrote:Alright, I did my homework. Now, it's time for you to ask every practicing and non-practicing Muslim in the country whether or not they were offended in any way by King's hearings. Or, I guess you could continue to be your pompous, know-it-all self, and tell them exactly how they should feel about it. :thumb:
So, all this time you had nothing, but were blowing hard. :lol:

then, when pressed, you come up with the two links above? :rofl:

The first one has nothing to do with facts...ZERO. :loser: Just a bunch of people with opinions...none of them with anything specific from the hearings that they bring to the conversation. The irony of that piece is that it ends with the hope that the hearings start a dialogue between Muslims and others.

So, thanks for nothing. :lol:

On to the second link...the committee state that CAIR has helped fund extremists (true) and “an attempt to stifle debate and obstruct cooperation with law enforcement."

Well, from the writer of your own link, "CAIR has had a tense relationship with the F.B.I. and on occasion has urged Muslims not to talk to law enforcement officials without a lawyer present, a caution Mr. Awad said was very much in keeping with the American system of justice. “As a civil rights organization,” he said, “we have the difficult job of encouraging constitutionally informed cooperation with law enforcement.”

"CAIR, along with other advocacy groups, has complained about the F.B.I.’s use of informers who pose as militants from Al Qaeda or similar groups, saying the government uses them in effect to draw young Muslim men into militancy."


:rofl: Right. We didn't even need the commission...CAIR has the answer...it is the US Government's own FBI that draws young Muslim men into militancy. :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

And some of CAIR's leaders have questionable pasts...according to the FBI - you know, the guys you have said have been doing a good job so far...the same guys luring Muslims into militancy. :rofl:


So, in the end, the best you could do was to pull up a link with no facts...and then pull up one that mentions tense relations, but some cooperation, between CAIR and the FBI (once again, those guys who you say are doing such a great job).

seems as though the commission is asking fair questions. And, as happens in any commission, there is a little debate back and forth on some details...but NO ONE has said they don't think extremism is not a growing potential problem in the US. In fact, as evidenced by the link noting the startling number of Muslim extremists that have been caught recently, it IS in FACT getting worse. :nod:

Yet you don't want anyone to talk about it. Are you sure you aren't a member of the Catholic diocese? :rofl:

By the way, instead of reacting calmly and opening a dialogue, the liberals close their minds and let their emotions rule their response. From your own link: "But he faulted CAIR for its energetic attacks on Mr. King and his hearing, saying that like the Republican congressman, the group used the conflict over the hearing to rally its own political base.

“My criticism is that CAIR could have helped bring down the temperature,” Mr. Ahmed said. “It shouldn’t present such a starkly polarized picture. That just widens the gap between Muslims and non-Muslims.”


Seems as though CAIR really doesn't care. :lol:

Way to go Grizfail!
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Cluck U wrote:
Grizalltheway wrote:Alright, I did my homework. Now, it's time for you to ask every practicing and non-practicing Muslim in the country whether or not they were offended in any way by King's hearings. Or, I guess you could continue to be your pompous, know-it-all self, and tell them exactly how they should feel about it. :thumb:


The first one has nothing to do with facts...ZERO. :loser: Just a bunch of people with opinions...none of them with anything specific from the hearings that they bring to the conversation.
And what else have you offered in this thread, besides the above bolded? The difference is, you act like yours are the gospel truth, no matter the subject. :nod:

Regarding CAIR, nice job cherry-picking and ignoring the testimony of the ONLY law enforcement official invited to testify at this farce. :lol:
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Grizalltheway wrote:And what else have you offered in this thread, besides the above bolded? The difference is, you act like yours are the gospel truth, no matter the subject. :nod:

Regarding CAIR, nice job cherry-picking and ignoring the testimony of the ONLY law enforcement official invited to testify at this farce. :lol:
Uhhh...I don't have to offer anything in this thread in order to prove anything. You are the one that said the commission was a bad thing...and you haven't been able to bring anything factual to the table to support that except a bunch of silly fear mongering quips.

Wow, you must be a Republican. Congrats! :lol:

As far as the one sherrif...who worked in one tiny section of this country (hey, Bush had one guy's opinion too), his opinion is easily countered by the FBI (who you agreed were doing such a good job) and the one Muslim who was quoted by Leadbolt at the commission. :rofl:

Face it, you have nothing but your fear and ignorance. :thumb:
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CID1990 wrote:I just have to say.... Grizzalltheway's avatar...

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I know a couple gals here in Vietnam who look just like that and they cost only 30 bucks for 90 minutes. Just sayin.
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