Belgian Bishop Bangs Boys' Bums: Says It Was A Game...

[D1B]

I did claim a significant portion of the deaths attributed to Mao and Stalin were the result of famine aggravated by the application of marxist economic principles to agriculture. This is a historical fact that doesn't in any way deny the millions who were murdered or sent to their graves for political reasons.

Spare me this BS. The people who were "starved" were political opponents and other impediments. The "famine" was a a man-made event systematically applied in a ruthless fashion to those who would not embrace the state.

What's pathetic is that you are part Ukrainian, correct? It is an historical fact that the Soviets were exporting food from the Ukraine while claiming that "famine" existed in the Ukraine. Perhaps 7 million Ukrainians were annihilated by the Soviet machine, a majority from the so-called "famine."

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None of my statements deny any of the reasons for the Ukrainian famine/democide, one of many during Stalin's reign of terror. Next....

[JoltinJoe]

Spare me this BS. The people who were "starved" were political opponents and other impediments. The "famine" was a a man-made event systematically applied in a ruthless fashion to those who would not embrace the state.

What's pathetic is that you are part Ukrainian, correct? It is an historical fact that the Soviets were exporting food from the Ukraine while claiming that "famine" existed in the Ukraine. Perhaps 7 million Ukrainians were annihilated by the Soviet machine, a majority from the so-called "famine."

http://www.ibiblio.org/expo/soviet.exhibit/famine.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

None of my statements deny any of the reasons for the Ukrainian famine/democide, one of many during Stalin's reign of terror. Next....

Look above. Your statement assumes the existence of famine, which was "aggravated by the application of marxist [sic] economic principles to agriculture."

That's a load. The "famine" was caused by the secular state, and was done so intentionally. It wasn't aggravated by the secular state philosophy; it was caused by the secular state philosophy.

It's a nightmare trying to keep up with you, because you are constantly on the backtrack, taking back things you say or claiming that you were misquoted. Just like your earlier statement that you did not mean that our nurturing morality was only biologically based when you said it was common in higher primates -- a strong product of evolution.

[D1B]

None of my statements deny any of the reasons for the Ukrainian famine/democide, one of many during Stalin's reign of terror. Next....

Look above. Your statement assumes the existence of famine, which was "aggravated by the application of marxist [sic] economic principles to agriculture."

That's a load. The "famine" was caused by the secular state, and was done so intentionally.

It's a nightmare trying to keep up with you, because you are constantly on the backtrack, taking back things you say or claiming that you were misquoted. Just like your earlier statement that you did not mean that our nurturing morality was only biologically based when you said it was common in higher primates -- a strong product of evolution.

There were many famines. It's historical fact that forced collectivisation was an abysmal failure that caused and made worse several famines.

You're attributing more to my statements than are there. You do this intentionally. It's called a strawman: attacking an exaggerated or caricatured version of your opponent's position.

Joe, no one respects you anymore.

[JoltinJoe]

Joe, no one respects you anymore.

I love when you say this, because everyone knows that you resort to this when you're beaten.

[D1B]

Joe, no one respects you anymore.

I love when you say this, because everyone knows that you resort to this when you're beaten.

Great, hang your hat on that Joe.