TTBF: Nobody Gives a Shit About the Deficit, Huh?

[HI54UNI]

This is what happens when newbies come on here and open their dumb mouths instead of just hanging out for a while to find out about posters, get the inside jokes, etc.

Now the GSU fans know how UNI fans feel about PFL.

Like I said: 2406 members, and 2400 of them are laughing AT Opie, not WITH him. Who's REALLY the "rube"?

Wait, your math can't be right. i thought he had a 100 people PMing him telling him that they agree with him.......

[Apps03]

I've been reading for a while, obviously don't post much, and I'm not sure I've still figured out all the inside jokes but this has been great entertainment this afternoon. I can't decide if he's being sincere or if we've all been had. Honestly, thanks to Dopie, AZ and Jay Bilas (among others) for making my afternoon go by much quicker.

[CitadelGrad]

I think I know who he is and if I'm right, he's sincere.

[blueballs]

The world needs ditchdiggers, too.

I'm not saying we don't need people doing manual labor and such.

I'm saying if someone puts in 40 hours a week of work.... they shouldn't be impoverished... whether they're digging ditches or flipping burgers.

Here is a lesson in economics and real life at the same time:

People tend to get paid what they're worth for the job performed. A job is a contract between an employer who has a need (a task or service that needs to be done) and the employee who has a need (money). The employee owes the employee nothing more than what the employee is worth- as determined by the employer- not the government. If the employee feels he is being underpaid for their 40 hours they can learn a job or service that is more valuable, work multiple jobs (which a lot of LEGAL immigrants do, particularly Cubans and Haitians), or work more than the holy grail of 40 hours.

Here's a fact of life: The truly successful people in this society don't work 40 hour weeks. I am typically out the door at 7am and never home before 7pm. My phone and e-mail are constantly going off at night. I work just about every weekend too, even if I'm at a ball game or at my coast house- the phone and e-mail never stops. I don't think about the hours worked, I think about growing and expanding my business, and becoming better at my craft so my company grows and I become wealthier so I can adequately take care of my family.

As an employer I don't owe my employees a "living wage" or a particular lifestyle. I owe them whatever I decide I am willing to pay them for their services, and at the same time they are free to look elsewhere if they don't like the deal I'm offering. It is only when outside influences enter the picture (government) that the balance between the that value goes out of whack.

Keep thinking you only need to work 40 hours to be successful, then one day you'll look around and wonder what happened when your peers who really wanted it and wee willing to pay the price for it out distance you.

[Baldy]

I'm not saying we don't need people doing manual labor and such.

I'm saying if someone puts in 40 hours a week of work.... they shouldn't be impoverished... whether they're digging ditches or flipping burgers.

Here is a lesson in economics and real life at the same time:

People tend to get paid what they're worth for the job performed. A job is a contract between an employer who has a need (a task or service that needs to be done) and the employee who has a need (money). The employee owes the employee nothing more than what the employee is worth- as determined by the employer- not the government. If the employee feels he is being underpaid for their 40 hours they can learn a job or service that is more valuable, work multiple jobs (which a lot of LEGAL immigrants do, particularly Cubans and Haitians), or work more than the holy grail of 40 hours.

Here's a fact of life: The truly successful people in this society don't work 40 hour weeks. I am typically out the door at 7am and never home before 7pm. My phone and e-mail are constantly going off at night. I work just about every weekend too, even if I'm at a ball game or at my coast house- the phone and e-mail never stops. I don't think about the hours worked, I think about growing and expanding my business, and becoming better at my craft so my company grows and I become wealthier so I can adequately take care of my family.

As an employer I don't owe my employees a "living wage" or a particular lifestyle. I owe them whatever I decide I am willing to pay them for their services, and at the same time they are free to look elsewhere if they don't like the deal I'm offering. It is only when outside influences enter the picture (government) that the balance between the that value goes out of whack.

Keep thinking you only need to work 40 hours to be successful, then one day you'll look around and wonder what happened when your peers who really wanted it and wee willing to pay the price for it out distance you.

Fuck you, you greedy right wing nutjob. Why do you hate the poor so much?



Amen brotha.

[CID1990]

I'm not saying we don't need people doing manual labor and such.

I'm saying if someone puts in 40 hours a week of work.... they shouldn't be impoverished... whether they're digging ditches or flipping burgers.

Here is a lesson in economics and real life at the same time:

People tend to get paid what they're worth for the job performed. A job is a contract between an employer who has a need (a task or service that needs to be done) and the employee who has a need (money). The employee owes the employee nothing more than what the employee is worth- as determined by the employer- not the government. If the employee feels he is being underpaid for their 40 hours they can learn a job or service that is more valuable, work multiple jobs (which a lot of LEGAL immigrants do, particularly Cubans and Haitians), or work more than the holy grail of 40 hours.

Here's a fact of life: The truly successful people in this society don't work 40 hour weeks. I am typically out the door at 7am and never home before 7pm. My phone and e-mail are constantly going off at night. I work just about every weekend too, even if I'm at a ball game or at my coast house- the phone and e-mail never stops. I don't think about the hours worked, I think about growing and expanding my business, and becoming better at my craft so my company grows and I become wealthier so I can adequately take care of my family.

As an employer I don't owe my employees a "living wage" or a particular lifestyle. I owe them whatever I decide I am willing to pay them for their services, and at the same time they are free to look elsewhere if they don't like the deal I'm offering. It is only when outside influences enter the picture (government) that the balance between the that value goes out of whack.

Keep thinking you only need to work 40 hours to be successful, then one day you'll look around and wonder what happened when your peers who really wanted it and wee willing to pay the price for it out distance you.

Take it easy on the kid, BB.

He's still living in his civics textbook.

[AZGrizFan]

Here is a lesson in economics and real life at the same time:

People tend to get paid what they're worth for the job performed. A job is a contract between an employer who has a need (a task or service that needs to be done) and the employee who has a need (money). The employee owes the employee nothing more than what the employee is worth- as determined by the employer- not the government. If the employee feels he is being underpaid for their 40 hours they can learn a job or service that is more valuable, work multiple jobs (which a lot of LEGAL immigrants do, particularly Cubans and Haitians), or work more than the holy grail of 40 hours.

Here's a fact of life: The truly successful people in this society don't work 40 hour weeks. I am typically out the door at 7am and never home before 7pm. My phone and e-mail are constantly going off at night. I work just about every weekend too, even if I'm at a ball game or at my coast house- the phone and e-mail never stops. I don't think about the hours worked, I think about growing and expanding my business, and becoming better at my craft so my company grows and I become wealthier so I can adequately take care of my family.

As an employer I don't owe my employees a "living wage" or a particular lifestyle. I owe them whatever I decide I am willing to pay them for their services, and at the same time they are free to look elsewhere if they don't like the deal I'm offering. It is only when outside influences enter the picture (government) that the balance between the that value goes out of whack.

Keep thinking you only need to work 40 hours to be successful, then one day you'll look around and wonder what happened when your peers who really wanted it and wee willing to pay the price for it out distance you.

Take it easy on the kid, BB.

He's still living in his civics textbook.

And like most economics, poli sci or civics textbooks, they have no basis in reality.

[kalm]

I'm not saying we don't need people doing manual labor and such.

I'm saying if someone puts in 40 hours a week of work.... they shouldn't be impoverished... whether they're digging ditches or flipping burgers.

Here is a lesson in economics and real life at the same time:

People tend to get paid what they're worth for the job performed. A job is a contract between an employer who has a need (a task or service that needs to be done) and the employee who has a need (money). The employee owes the employee nothing more than what the employee is worth- as determined by the employer- not the government. If the employee feels he is being underpaid for their 40 hours they can learn a job or service that is more valuable, work multiple jobs (which a lot of LEGAL immigrants do, particularly Cubans and Haitians), or work more than the holy grail of 40 hours.

Here's a fact of life: The truly successful people in this society don't work 40 hour weeks. I am typically out the door at 7am and never home before 7pm. My phone and e-mail are constantly going off at night. I work just about every weekend too, even if I'm at a ball game or at my coast house- the phone and e-mail never stops. I don't think about the hours worked, I think about growing and expanding my business, and becoming better at my craft so my company grows and I become wealthier so I can adequately take care of my family.

As an employer I don't owe my employees a "living wage" or a particular lifestyle. I owe them whatever I decide I am willing to pay them for their services, and at the same time they are free to look elsewhere if they don't like the deal I'm offering. It is only when outside influences enter the picture (government) that the balance between the that value goes out of whack.

Keep thinking you only need to work 40 hours to be successful, then one day you'll look around and wonder what happened when your peers who really wanted it and wee willing to pay the price for it out distance you.

Everyone is replaceable but if you make yourself valuable to your employer the onus will be on them to compensate you enough to keep you. They owe you a check, you're free to walk at any time.

Very good post BB.

[blueballs]

Fuck you, you greedy right wing nutjob. Why do you hate the poor so much?

I told you I am now a liberal... and easily offended.

[JohnStOnge]

I think others have basically said the same thing but labor is worth what people are willing to voluntarily pay for it. The true value is largely governed by supply and demand.

Like "flipping burgers." If you offer $0 per hour to flip burgers you're not likely to get anybody to do it. What if you offer $0.01 per hour? Probably the same situation. As you move up the scale you will find a point at which people will take the job. When you get to the point where enough people are willing to take the job to allow you to operate as you want to operate, you have reached the level that the labor is worth.

This thing of thinking that there should be some minimum pay for a job based on what it takes to maintain some minimum standard of living as defined by someone outside of the process is nonsense.

[CID1990]

I think others have basically said the same thing but labor is worth what people are willing to voluntarily pay for it. The true value is largely governed by supply and demand.

Like "flipping burgers." If you offer $0 per hour to flip burgers you're not likely to get anybody to do it. What if you offer $0.01 per hour? Probably the same situation. As you move up the scale you will find a point at which people will take the job. When you get to the point where enough people are willing to take the job to allow you to operate as you want to operate, you have reached the level that the labor is worth.

This thing of thinking that there should be some minimum pay for a job based on what it takes to maintain some minimum standard of living as defined by someone outside of the process is nonsense.

That's why I never pay more than $10 for a Vietnamese happy ending.