NJ's Christie: Just Another Lying POS Conk Fvck

[BDKJMU]

So Christie canceled the Big Dig II, and refused to raise taxes in what is already the 1st or 2nd (along with CA) highest taxed state in the nation. Good for him How much exponentially more did it cost the US taxpayers than they originally projected it would? This would have been the same thing. Typical donk response is to raise taxes to pay for more big govt boondoggles. Well those who don't learn from history are bound to repeat it. Bravo to Christie for saving the taxpayers, be they NJ or from the entire country, tens of billions.

The need for this tunnel makes it worth every freaking penny spent. I, like many of my NJ neighbors, would have gladly paid a little more taxes for this to happen. We would have easily seen our lives made better and our real estate values jump through the roof.

The lack of vision to understand the concept of short-term pain for long-term gain is what Christie missed on this one project. A quick axe to appease his base with the understanding that the pain from his decision won't hurt him as he'll be long gone from NJ before the momentum for this much needed repair is built up enough again to start the project over (there is no viable alternative). At that point we'll end up paying double what we would have paid now.

And how would they going to GUARANTEE this wouldn't become another Big Dig, with all the taxpayer bourne cost overruns, esp with the unions?

[Cap'n Cat]

The need for this tunnel makes it worth every freaking penny spent. I, like many of my NJ neighbors, would have gladly paid a little more taxes for this to happen. We would have easily seen our lives made better and our real estate values jump through the roof.

The lack of vision to understand the concept of short-term pain for long-term gain is what Christie missed on this one project. A quick axe to appease his base with the understanding that the pain from his decision won't hurt him as he'll be long gone from NJ before the momentum for this much needed repair is built up enough again to start the project over (there is no viable alternative). At that point we'll end up paying double what we would have paid now.

And how would they going to GUARANTEE this wouldn't become another Big Dig, with all the taxpayer bourne cost overruns, esp with the unions?

With azzholes like you getting on the project oversight committee, you lazy ass, big-talkin', do-nothing Conk dick!

[BDKJMU]

And how would they going to GUARANTEE this wouldn't become another Big Dig, with all the taxpayer bourne cost overruns, esp with the unions?

With azzholes like you getting on the project oversight committee, you lazy ass, big-talkin', do-nothing Conk dick!

The US Dept of Transportation IG report on this had boondoggle written all over it:
ARC tunnel project hurt by poor planning

http://www.northjersey.com/news/1032608 ... c=y&page=2" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

[Cap'n Cat]

With azzholes like you getting on the project oversight committee, you lazy ass, big-talkin', do-nothing Conk dick!

The US Dept of Transportation IG report on this had boondoggle written all over it:
ARC tunnel project hurt by poor planninghttp://www.northjersey.com/news/1032608 ... c=y&page=2

Fix that link, Ralph Nader, and I might look at it.

[BDKJMU]

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/04/10/nyreg ... .html?_r=1



Report Disputes Christie’s Basis for Halting Tunnel

Mr. Christie also misstated New Jersey’s share of the costs: he said the state would pay 70 percent of the project; the report found that New Jersey was paying 14.4 percent. (Um, LIAR!!!!!) And while the governor said that an agreement with the federal government would require the state to pay all cost overruns, the report found that there was no final agreement, and that the federal government had made several offers to share those costs.

And why should non NJ taxpayers foot the majority of the cost???

[Cap'n Cat]

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/04/10/nyreg ... .html?_r=1



Report Disputes Christie’s Basis for Halting Tunnel

Mr. Christie also misstated New Jersey’s share of the costs: he said the state would pay 70 percent of the project; the report found that New Jersey was paying 14.4 percent. (Um, LIAR!!!!!) And while the governor said that an agreement with the federal government would require the state to pay all cost overruns, the report found that there was no final agreement, and that the federal government had made several offers to share those costs.

And why should non NJ taxpayers foot the majority of the cost???

He lied, Barney! What do you NOT understand????

[GannonFan]

And why should non NJ taxpayers foot the majority of the cost???

He lied, Barney! What do you NOT understand????

Well, if that's the standard we're going to use then Obama lied when he said Obamacare was going to lower the deficit. I mean, if we're going to say that politicians should never, ever, say something that is incorrect or stretching the truth then we're living in the wrong world because they all do.

[BDKJMU]

The US Dept of Transportation IG report on this had boondoggle written all over it:
ARC tunnel project hurt by poor planninghttp://www.northjersey.com/news/1032608 ... c=y&page=2

Fix that link, Ralph Nader, and I might look at it.

If you insist.

[bluehenbillk]

So Christie canceled the Big Dig II, and refused to raise taxes in what is already the 1st or 2nd (along with CA) highest taxed state in the nation. Good for him How much exponentially more did it cost the US taxpayers than they originally projected it would? This would have been the same thing. Typical donk response is to raise taxes to pay for more big govt boondoggles. Well those who don't learn from history are bound to repeat it. Bravo to Christie for saving the taxpayers, be they NJ or from the entire country, tens of billions.

The need for this tunnel makes it worth every freaking penny spent. I, like many of my NJ neighbors, would have gladly paid a little more taxes for this to happen. We would have easily seen our lives made better and our real estate values jump through the roof.

The lack of vision to understand the concept of short-term pain for long-term gain is what Christie missed on this one project. A quick axe to appease his base with the understanding that the pain from his decision won't hurt him as he'll be long gone from NJ before the momentum for this much needed repair is built up enough again to start the project over (there is no viable alternative). At that point we'll end up paying double what we would have paid now.

This was for a train tunnel right? I goto NYC often, are there a shortage of train tunnels connecting NJ & NYC? Regardless of whether its Amtrak, NJ Transit or the PATH I've never noticed a big issue. Now travel the Parkway or the Turnpike or the bridge or car tunnel crossings & yea, it's not pretty.

New Jersey real estate values? Cmon, most of North Jersey is inflated in that area as is.

[Cap'n Cat]

He lied, Barney! What do you NOT understand????

Well, if that's the standard we're going to use then Obama lied when he said Obamacare was going to lower the deficit. I mean, if we're going to say that politicians should never, ever, say something that is incorrect or stretching the truth then we're living in the wrong world because they all do.

Then, start a head about it, Chumley.

[danefan]

The need for this tunnel makes it worth every freaking penny spent. I, like many of my NJ neighbors, would have gladly paid a little more taxes for this to happen. We would have easily seen our lives made better and our real estate values jump through the roof.

The lack of vision to understand the concept of short-term pain for long-term gain is what Christie missed on this one project. A quick axe to appease his base with the understanding that the pain from his decision won't hurt him as he'll be long gone from NJ before the momentum for this much needed repair is built up enough again to start the project over (there is no viable alternative). At that point we'll end up paying double what we would have paid now.

This was for a train tunnel right? I goto NYC often, are there a shortage of train tunnels connecting NJ & NYC? Regardless of whether its Amtrak, NJ Transit or the PATH I've never noticed a big issue. Now travel the Parkway or the Turnpike or the bridge or car tunnel crossings & yea, it's not pretty.

New Jersey real estate values? Cmon, most of North Jersey is inflated in that area as is.

There are about 25% of the trains currently running in and out of Penn Station from NJ that should be running. There is one track in and one track out. Yes, the busiest commuter hub in the country has one track in and one track out, which is owned by Amtrak, leased by NJ Transit and over 100 years old.

Everyone that has ever commuted into NYC from NJ would be 100% in agreement with me.

Part of the reason why the vehicle thoroughfares are a mess is because the mass transportation sucks in and out of NYC.

[grizzaholic]

Tired old weight jokes, Cappy? Glass houses.

I'm down to a svelte 240!!!

[kalm]

I'm down to a svelte 240!!!

[JohnStOnge]

So why is it that you believe the GAO and not Christie?

You're just assuming that everything the GAO said is correct.

[citdog]

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/04/10/nyreg ... .html?_r=1





Report Disputes Christie’s Basis for Halting Tunnel

Gov. Chris Christie of New Jersey exaggerated when he declared that unforeseen costs to the state were forcing him to cancel the new train tunnel planned to relieve congested routes across the Hudson River, according to a long-awaited report by independent Congressional investigators.

The report by the Government Accountability Office, to be released this week, found that while Mr. Christie said that state transportation officials had revised cost estimates for the tunnel to at least $11 billion and potentially more than $14 billion, the range of estimates had in fact remained unchanged in the two years before he announced in 2010 that he was shutting down the project. And state transportation officials, the report says, had said the cost would be no more than $10 billion.

Mr. Christie also misstated New Jersey’s share of the costs: he said the state would pay 70 percent of the project; the report found that New Jersey was paying 14.4 percent. (Um, LIAR!!!!!) And while the governor said that an agreement with the federal government would require the state to pay all cost overruns, the report found that there was no final agreement, and that the federal government had made several offers to share those costs.

Canceling the tunnel, then the largest public works project in the nation, helped shape Mr. Christie’s profile as a rising Republican star, an enforcer of fiscal discipline in a country drunk on debt. But the report is likely to revive criticism that his decision, which he said was about “hard choices” in tough economic times, was more about avoiding the need to raise the state’s gasoline tax, which would have violated a campaign promise. The governor subsequently steered $4 billion earmarked for the tunnel to the state’s near-bankrupt transportation trust fund, traditionally financed by the gasoline tax.

Before Mr. Christie declared the tunnel dead, his transportation advisers told state legislators that they had discussed taking money from the project to fill the transportation trust fund, which was almost empty.


Since then, the governor has steered $4 billion in tunnel money to the trust fund, avoiding an increase in the state’s gasoline tax, the second lowest in the nation.




Conks being Conks. Never mind infrastructure, just think of your political future...and where that next Coney Dog is coming from. That fat fvck.



"And, let's hear it for the pizza delivery guy! Fvcking FINALLY!" Jesus, get your skinny UD-graduatin' ass over here!

He enjoys the state of NJ experiencing unemployment what did you expect from somebody that is a member of the GOP!!!!!!!!!

nothing more than I expect from a swamp running negroid.

[Cap'n Cat]

I'm down to a svelte 240!!!

[LeadBolt]

Christie lacked any long-term vision on that decision.

It seems to be endemic in politicians these days, like Obama and the Keystone pipeline....

or waiting 11 months to ask for the resignation of the head of the GSA...

[Cap'n Cat]

Christie lacked any long-term vision on that decision.

It seems to be endemic in politicians these days, like Obama and the Keystone pipeline....

or waiting 11 months to ask for the resignation of the head of the GSA...

You read only headlines, don't you, LeadBrain?

Fact: Obama merely delayed a decision on the entire Keystone pipeline. He did not quash it.
Fact: Obama approves of the pipeline if it goes around the sensitive Nebraska Sand Hills region.
Fact: Every other portion of the Keystone is under construction or planning for it at this minute.
Fact: Change your underwear, Snoopy.

Ever been to the Sand Hills region, dumbass? Or, his it merely more worthless flyover land for you Conks?

[bluehenbillk]

There are about 25% of the trains currently running in and out of Penn Station from NJ that should be running. There is one track in and one track out. Yes, the busiest commuter hub in the country has one track in and one track out, which is owned by Amtrak, leased by NJ Transit and over 100 years old.

Everyone that has ever commuted into NYC from NJ would be 100% in agreement with me.

OK - maybe it's plain ignorance on my part but I know countless people that commute to NYC via train & this is the 1st I've ever heard of this being an issue. Aren't there a plethora of current & non-expensive train options to get to Penn Station currently? It's not exactly India with people hanging out the doors & windows....

[danefan]

There are about 25% of the trains currently running in and out of Penn Station from NJ that should be running. There is one track in and one track out. Yes, the busiest commuter hub in the country has one track in and one track out, which is owned by Amtrak, leased by NJ Transit and over 100 years old.

Everyone that has ever commuted into NYC from NJ would be 100% in agreement with me.

OK - maybe it's plain ignorance on my part but I know countless people that commute to NYC via train & this is the 1st I've ever heard of this being an issue. Aren't there a plethora of current & non-expensive train options to get to Penn Station currently? It's not exactly India with people hanging out the doors & windows....

You may have spoken to people who commute from South or Central NJ.

From the more populated areas in the NJ area - North Jersey (Bergen County) and Southern NY (Rockland and Orange County) - there is no single-seat option into NYC via train. Meaning you have a change-over in Secaucus Junction.

These trains in from Secaucus are constantly delayed due to track issues (old age) and Amtrak preference (NJ transit leases space on the tracks but has to give way to all Amtrak trains). Not to mention they are standing room only. And I wouldn't exactly call them cheap options. Monthly tickets can run upwards of $500 per month (avg is probably around $250-300) and that does not count parking at stations.

The one-seat issue, over crowding and delay/preference issues would have all been solved with the new tunnels.

And no its not India. But since when are third-world countries are measuring stick?

[GannonFan]

There are about 25% of the trains currently running in and out of Penn Station from NJ that should be running. There is one track in and one track out. Yes, the busiest commuter hub in the country has one track in and one track out, which is owned by Amtrak, leased by NJ Transit and over 100 years old.

Everyone that has ever commuted into NYC from NJ would be 100% in agreement with me.

OK - maybe it's plain ignorance on my part but I know countless people that commute to NYC via train & this is the 1st I've ever heard of this being an issue. Aren't there a plethora of current & non-expensive train options to get to Penn Station currently? It's not exactly India with people hanging out the doors & windows....

Count me in too. Granted, I'm not a daily commuter into NYC, but I've never had a problem getting in and out of NYC via mass transit. Private car, well that's something else entirely, but mass transit has been a breeze.

[danefan]

OK - maybe it's plain ignorance on my part but I know countless people that commute to NYC via train & this is the 1st I've ever heard of this being an issue. Aren't there a plethora of current & non-expensive train options to get to Penn Station currently? It's not exactly India with people hanging out the doors & windows....

Count me in too. Granted, I'm not a daily commuter into NYC, but I've never had a problem getting in and out of NYC via mass transit. Private car, well that's something else entirely, but mass transit has been a breeze.

Well listen, its just my opinion being a daily commuter into NYC for the past 6 years and just about every other NJ transit commuter I've ever spoken to about the issues. There is a serious need for improvement.

[GannonFan]

OK - maybe it's plain ignorance on my part but I know countless people that commute to NYC via train & this is the 1st I've ever heard of this being an issue. Aren't there a plethora of current & non-expensive train options to get to Penn Station currently? It's not exactly India with people hanging out the doors & windows....

You may have spoken to people who commute from South or Central NJ.

From the more populated areas in the NJ area - North Jersey (Bergen County) and Southern NY (Rockland and Orange County) - there is no single-seat option into NYC via train. Meaning you have a change-over in Secaucus Junction.

These trains in from Secaucus are constantly delayed due to track issues (old age) and Amtrak preference (NJ transit leases space on the tracks but has to give way to all Amtrak trains). Not to mention they are standing room only. And I wouldn't exactly call them cheap options. Monthly tickets can run upwards of $500 per month (avg is probably around $250-300) and that does not count parking at stations.

The one-seat issue, over crowding and delay/preference issues would have all been solved with the new tunnels.

And no its not India. But since when are third-world countries are measuring stick?

Well there you go then - I've never commuted from the northern regions (although I did take PATH in from Kearney and yes, that did seem to take awhile).

Certainly could've been improved, but I still don't think it will ever be any cheaper - just a matter of course being in that part of the country.

[danefan]

You may have spoken to people who commute from South or Central NJ.

From the more populated areas in the NJ area - North Jersey (Bergen County) and Southern NY (Rockland and Orange County) - there is no single-seat option into NYC via train. Meaning you have a change-over in Secaucus Junction.

These trains in from Secaucus are constantly delayed due to track issues (old age) and Amtrak preference (NJ transit leases space on the tracks but has to give way to all Amtrak trains). Not to mention they are standing room only. And I wouldn't exactly call them cheap options. Monthly tickets can run upwards of $500 per month (avg is probably around $250-300) and that does not count parking at stations.

The one-seat issue, over crowding and delay/preference issues would have all been solved with the new tunnels.

And no its not India. But since when are third-world countries are measuring stick?

Well there you go then - I've never commuted from the northern regions (although I did take PATH in from Kearney and yes, that did seem to take awhile).

Certainly could've been improved, but I still don't think it will ever be any cheaper - just a matter of course being in that part of the country.

You can't lump the PATH in. It actually works the way its supposed to. It just doesn't serve enough of NJ or NYC. It doesn't serve North Jersey and doesn't run into Penn Station or any of the other mid-town areas.

I take the ferry now over the PATH because the PATH is slow. But I also pay $150 extra a month.

[Rob Iola]

OK - maybe it's plain ignorance on my part but I know countless people that commute to NYC via train & this is the 1st I've ever heard of this being an issue. Aren't there a plethora of current & non-expensive train options to get to Penn Station currently? It's not exactly India with people hanging out the doors & windows....

You may have spoken to people who commute from South or Central NJ.

From the more populated areas in the NJ area - North Jersey (Bergen County) and Southern NY (Rockland and Orange County) - there is no single-seat option into NYC via train. Meaning you have a change-over in Secaucus Junction.

These trains in from Secaucus are constantly delayed due to track issues (old age) and Amtrak preference (NJ transit leases space on the tracks but has to give way to all Amtrak trains). Not to mention they are standing room only. And I wouldn't exactly call them cheap options. Monthly tickets can run upwards of $500 per month (avg is probably around $250-300) and that does not count parking at stations.

The one-seat issue, over crowding and delay/preference issues would have all been solved with the new tunnels.

And no its not India. But since when are third-world countries are measuring stick?

Do they charge extra for people who take up 2 seats?