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And that is why I voted for him, the extremes on both sides serve only the interests of a very few.

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SAN DIEGO, California (CNN) -- President Obama has clearly drifted to the center, even if neither the right nor the left wants to acknowledge it.

Conservatives will take one look at his economic policies -- most notably, his support for the $787 billion economic stimulus bill -- and insist that there is no way that the president can be called centrist. Liberals are just as adamant in resisting the idea that they got duped and voted for someone who doesn't seem sufficiently liberal, so they're no more eager to label Obama a centrist.

Yet, it should be obvious to the rest of us that, having been on the job a little more than a month, Obama and his administration have spent much of that time in the middle of the road. For the most part, this is a good thing. Politics is much too complicated for those who practice it to adhere to rigid goals, refuse to compromise or eschew nuance.

Obama's alignment in the center began with his Cabinet picks. There was his decision to retain Defense Secretary Robert Gates (one of the people responsible for carrying out President Bush's policy in Iraq, which Obama had labeled a failure).

There was his nomination of Eric Holder as attorney general (despite the fact that Holder had at one point urged Congress to reauthorize the Patriot Act, which many civil libertarians abhor) and his choice of Arne Duncan to serve as education secretary (despite the fact that he supports No Child Left Behind while left-leaning teachers unions give the accountability law a failing grade).

And there was his nomination of Tim Geithner as Treasury secretary (despite the fact that, as head of the Federal Reserve Bank of New York, Geithner helped midwife President Bush's disastrous banking bailout), and his decision to name Arizona Gov. Janet Napolitano head of the Homeland Security Department (where she is responsible for immigration enforcement, despite being criticized by liberals in her home state for signing the toughest employer sanction law in the country and declaring a state of emergency on the U.S.-Mexico border).

More recently, we've had a glimpse at some of Obama's policies, which look an awful lot like those of his predecessor.

For one thing, the Obama administration recently carried out its first work-site immigration raid in Bellingham, Washington, despite the fact that immigrant activists despise such raids for dividing families and turning lives upside down.

Then there are Obama's anti-terror policies. While Obama ordered closed the military prison at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, he also kept alive the CIA's authority to carry out "rendition," the secret abductions and transfers of prisoners to other countries where they can be tortured. That outraged civil libertarians.

So did the position of the Obama Justice Department that 600 prisoners at the U.S. air base at Bagram, Afghanistan, cannot use U.S. courts to challenge their detention. That was also the Bush's administration's view.

The third strike for many on the left was the attempt by the Obama Justice Department to quash -- in another echo of Bush policy -- a lawsuit challenging the government's rendition and warrantless wiretapping programs.

Last week, a federal Appeals Court in San Francisco rejected the Obama administration's request for an emergency stay in the case. Government lawyers signaled that they would continue fighting to keep the information secret on national security grounds.

That sparked an angry response from Anthony D. Romero, executive director of the American Civil Liberties Union, which is representing the plaintiffs in the case.

"This is not change," Romero said in a statement. "This is definitely more of the same. ... If this is a harbinger of things to come, it will be a long and arduous road to give us back an America we can be proud of again."

Let's not get carried away. There is a lot that we can be proud of now. I understand where Romero is coming from, and -- in light of how compliant the media has been toward the Obama administration -- I'm glad that someone is holding the president accountable for what some consider defective and dangerous policy. But, as the commander in chief, Obama has responsibilities that most of us can't fathom, including the ultimate responsibility to safeguard the country and prevent another terrorist attack.

Maybe the problem isn't with the president but with those who supported him on the naïve assumption that every single policy would radically change. That's obviously not going to happen, and that's OK. Although the left won't admit it, not everything the Bush administration did was wrong.

It didn't take Barack Obama long to figure out that it is much more difficult to be president than it is to run for president. Now, all his supporters have to figure out is how much disappointment they're willing to put up with, and for how long.
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No suprise to me...
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:lol: I love how they try to paint Geithner as a centrist, or even a conservative. I also find it funny that the stimulus package garnered very little Republican support and almost complete Democratic support, but they call it a "centrist" bill. There was nothing centrist about Bush (quite the liberal fiscally) and so far it appears the same with Obama. I'll withhold judgment for now on his overall performance as it's only been 2 months, but this article is reaching--badly.
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dbackjon wrote:No suprise to me...

No surprise to you that he's a completely different person than the one that ran for President? :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
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What a load of BS. Lord Obama has drifted so far past left he is nearly in the freakin Facist lane for Christ sake. CNN, MSNBC and the rest of the MSM realize that the storm clouds of revolt are rising and are trying to convince the world that he really isn't the socialist that he appears to be. I aint blind and neither are the rest that are fed up with the move to socialism that he is embarked on.
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CSUBUCDAD wrote:What a load of BS. Lord Obama has drifted so far past left he is nearly in the freakin Facist lane for Christ sake. CNN, MSNBC and the rest of the MSM realize that the storm clouds of revolt are rising and are trying to convince the world that he really isn't the socialist that he appears to be. I aint blind and neither are the rest that are fed up with the move to socialism that he is embarked on.
Is facist and socialist the same thing to you?
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he's so far to the left he's making clinton look like a modarate
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That article is a joke. Suggesting Obama's a centrist because of Holder and Duncan's appointments is beyond laughable. Eric "Ban Guns From Coward Racist Americans" Holder is a commie pig. Duncan is a non-traditionalist in the mold of the '60's era progressive education that brought us "new" math and recognition reading.

The writer was employing Orwellian relativism, by attempting to move the benchmark of centrism over towards the left. Shame on him.
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wildkyle wrote:he's so far to the left he's making clinton look like a modarate
Bush had the same effect on Clinton.
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CSUBUCDAD wrote:What a load of BS. Lord Obama has drifted so far past left he is nearly in the freakin Facist lane for Christ sake. CNN, MSNBC and the rest of the MSM realize that the storm clouds of revolt are rising and are trying to convince the world that he really isn't the socialist that he appears to be. I aint blind and neither are the rest that are fed up with the move to socialism that he is embarked on.


Shut up, you Conk fvck. Let the guy clean up your mess, Sgt. Carter. Took radical capitalism to drive this train wreck, it's gonna take radical maneuvers the other way to repair the damage. Give up the con to someone else, you bum.

An', you know what? I'm going to write to Obama and ask him if I can stand outside your fvcking house and regulate every move you make, Conk Turd, based on the fact that you are a Conk terrorist of the McVeigh/Kaczynksi ilk and need surveillance.

And I'm gonna raise your property taxes and none of your neighbors', just cuz you're a fvck.


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All of the supposedly "conservative" things Obama is doing aren't really conservative at all...

No Child Left Behind? LoL, NCLB is a policy of extreme egalitarianism and excessive (and unconstitutional) education spending. Almost every democrat that went after the 2008 nomination also supported it.

The Patriot Act? You mean the act that most of the dems from the 2002 congress approved? Nope, nothing conservative about that

The wiretapping? Yeah, that's really conservative...see: The Patriot Act

As if opposition to these things is a "left-wing" thing. Gimme a break :roll:
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hank scorpio wrote:
CSUBUCDAD wrote:What a load of BS. Lord Obama has drifted so far past left he is nearly in the freakin Facist lane for Christ sake. CNN, MSNBC and the rest of the MSM realize that the storm clouds of revolt are rising and are trying to convince the world that he really isn't the socialist that he appears to be. I aint blind and neither are the rest that are fed up with the move to socialism that he is embarked on.
Is facist and socialist the same thing to you?
The political spectrum is a circle not a straight line, you go far enough in either direction you end up right next to those of the opposite belief. Hitler and Stalin being the prime examples.
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Cap'n Cat wrote:
CSUBUCDAD wrote:What a load of BS. Lord Obama has drifted so far past left he is nearly in the freakin Facist lane for Christ sake. CNN, MSNBC and the rest of the MSM realize that the storm clouds of revolt are rising and are trying to convince the world that he really isn't the socialist that he appears to be. I aint blind and neither are the rest that are fed up with the move to socialism that he is embarked on.
Shut up, you Conk fvck. Let the guy clean up your mess, Sgt. Carter. Took radical capitalism to drive this train wreck, it's gonna take radical maneuvers the other way to repair the damage. Give up the con to someone else, you bum.

An', you know what? I'm going to write to Obama and ask him if I can stand outside your fvcking house and regulate every move you make, Conk Turd, based on the fact that you are a Conk terrorist of the McVeigh/Kaczynksi ilk and need surveillance.

And I'm gonna raise your property taxes and none of your neighbors', just cuz you're a fvck.


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travelinman67 wrote: Rather that shutting up, you ought to have Streaming BucDad/Tman on your iPod. You might finally learn somethin'.
Even the Bush Admin balked at that for the Gitmo prisoners.
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UNI88 wrote:
hank scorpio wrote:
Is facist and socialist the same thing to you?
The political spectrum is a circle not a straight line, you go far enough in either direction you end up right next to those of the opposite belief. Hitler and Stalin being the prime examples.
Hmmm....

That's pretty philosophical for this group of schmo's ;)
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dbackjon wrote:
travelinman67 wrote: Rather that shutting up, you ought to have Streaming BucDad/Tman on your iPod. You might finally learn somethin'.
Even the Bush Admin balked at that for the Gitmo prisoners.
Only because they didn't have the technology to translate, "scumsuckingcommiepinko". :?
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UNI88 wrote:
hank scorpio wrote:
Is facist and socialist the same thing to you?
The political spectrum is a circle not a straight line, you go far enough in either direction you end up right next to those of the opposite belief. Hitler and Stalin being the prime examples.
A straight line is a gross oversimplification and a circle is not logical in practice.

My point being, basically most models have the two at odds with each other.
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hank scorpio wrote:
CSUBUCDAD wrote:What a load of BS. Lord Obama has drifted so far past left he is nearly in the freakin Facist lane for Christ sake. CNN, MSNBC and the rest of the MSM realize that the storm clouds of revolt are rising and are trying to convince the world that he really isn't the socialist that he appears to be. I aint blind and neither are the rest that are fed up with the move to socialism that he is embarked on.
Is facist and socialist the same thing to you?
No, we just have a anointed Fascist driving us down the road to Socialism whether we like it or not.
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hank scorpio wrote:
UNI88 wrote:
The political spectrum is a circle not a straight line, you go far enough in either direction you end up right next to those of the opposite belief. Hitler and Stalin being the prime examples.
A straight line is a gross oversimplification and a circle is not logical in practice.

My point being, basically most models have the two at odds with each other.
I'm not sure a circle isn't logical. Hitler was about as far right and Stalin about as far left as you could get and the two of them were much more similar to each other than they were to anyone near the center.
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UNI88 wrote:
hank scorpio wrote:
A straight line is a gross oversimplification and a circle is not logical in practice.

My point being, basically most models have the two at odds with each other.
I'm not sure a circle isn't logical. Hitler was about as far right and Stalin about as far left as you could get and the two of them were much more similar to each other than they were to anyone near the center.
Fair enough, but I would hesitate to call Stalin a true socialist. Totalitarianism would be better suited. I think you are confusing two people with two idieologies, especially with Stalin. I bet it would be very hard to find a self proclaimed socialist outside of Russia who would find Stalinism as a good thing.
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