Zimmerman Trial

[eagleskins]

Does really anybody think this skinny 16 year old was bashing this guy's head on the concrete? Do you understand how hard that is to do to anyone, regardless of strength. Not to mention no hair on the guy.

[Ibanez]

Does really anybody think this skinny 16 year old was bashing this guy's head on the concrete? Do you understand how hard that is to do to anyone, regardless of strength. Not to mention no hair on the guy.

No hair? What are you saying?

[blueballs]

Does really anybody think this skinny 16 year old was bashing this guy's head on the concrete? Do you understand how hard that is to do to anyone, regardless of strength. Not to mention no hair on the guy.

No hair? What are you saying?

I think what he's getting at is without anything (hair) to grab onto it would be hard and even unlikely to bash somebody's head into concrete with any kind of force from a forward mount position unless the guy was knocked out or at least loopy.

IMO what is more likely is that Martin got off the first lick, knocked Zimmerman down, mounted him, punched him repeatedly in the face and head, and the force of those punches made Zimmerman's head hit the concrete which caused the scratches and scrapes on the back of Zimmerman's head.

I tried to put myself in Zimmerman's shoes as far as remembering exactly every detail of the struggle but I keep thinking that it probably happened so fast, it was dark and raining, and he did get punched in the face repeatedly, so there is a certian "fog of war" factor regarding his memory that may be in play.

I'd be willing to give him some latitude on the most minute details- not major ones- based on that. Remember, it is not up to Zimmerman to prove his innocence, it is up to the prosecution to prove Zimmerman's guilt of what he is charged with beyond a reasonable doubt based on the evidence.

[YoUDeeMan]

Does really anybody think this skinny 16 year old was bashing this guy's head on the concrete? Do you understand how hard that is to do to anyone, regardless of strength. Not to mention no hair on the guy.

Trayvon was probably on a new form of CIA supplied crack that dramatically increased his strength.

You know how it is.

[Bronco]

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Turned on CNN last night and saw a talking head discussing the trial.
He said Trayvon had no damaged to his hands or knuckles.

So started looking around

The medical reports for George Zimmerman and Trayvon Martin are enough to create reasonable doubt
Because Geroge Zimmerman is the one on trial, the law gives him the presumption of innocence. It is up to the prosecutor to convince the jury beyond a reasonable doubt that Zimmerman is guilty.

Because Trayvon Martin is not on trial, he does not have the benefit of the presumtion of innocence.
In May 2012, ABC news reported:

A medical report compiled by the family physician of Trayvon Martin shooter George Zimmerman and obtained exclusively by ABC News found that Zimmerman was diagnosed with a “closed fracture” of his nose, a pair of black eyes, two lacerations to the back of his head and a minor back injury the day after he fatally shot Martin during an alleged altercation.

The record shows that Zimmerman also suffered bruising in the upper lip and cheek and lower back pain. The two lacerations on the back of his head, one of them nearly an inch long, the other about a quarter-inch long, were first revealed in photos obtained exclusively by ABC News last month.
That same month, WFTV reported:

WFTV has confirmed that autopsy results show 17-year-old Trayvon Martin had injuries to his knuckles when he died.

WFTV has learned that the medical examiner found two injuries on Martin’s body: The fatal gunshot wound and broken skin on his knuckles.

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[YoUDeeMan]

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Turned on CNN last night and saw a talking head discussing the trial.
He said Trayvon had no damaged to his hands or knuckles.

So started looking around

WFTV has confirmed that autopsy results show 17-year-old Trayvon Martin had injuries to his knuckles when he died.

WFTV has learned that the medical examiner found two injuries on Martin’s body: The fatal gunshot wound and broken skin on his knuckles.

C'mon, Bronco...those knuckles didn't contain DNA from Zim. Trayvon used his pimp hand on Jabbetta the Hut earlier in the day.

[mrklean]

Zimmerman took three years of MMA classes and got his azz kicked by a skinny 16 year old boy No wonder why he can't be a cop. But then again.....................................

[93henfan]

http://www.thesmokinggun.com/buster/sky ... ing-756390

As a witness in the George Zimmerman murder trial testified this morning via Skype, pranksters watching the case bombarded the man’s account with calls, forcing the judge to interrupt the man’s testimony.

[Bronco]

Zimmerman took three years of MMA classes and got his azz kicked by a skinny 16 year old boy No wonder why he can't be a cop. But then again.....................................

So...
The old saying is true

Never bring knuckles to a gun fight

[mrklean]

Zimmerman took three years of MMA classes and got his azz kicked by a skinny 16 year old boy No wonder why he can't be a cop. But then again.....................................

So...
The old saying is true

Never bring knuckles to a gun fight

any punk and pull a trigger...IJS

[YoUDeeMan]

So...
The old saying is true

Never bring knuckles to a gun fight

any punk and pull a trigger...IJS

Any punk can throw a punch.

The way I figure it, if you feel that physical force is the way to resolve the problem, then you deserve whatever you get by whatever means. Get beat by a person who studied karate/martial arts...tough luck. Get bit...tough luck. Get stabbed...tough luck. Get your eyes gouged out or your balls smashed...tough luck. Get hit with a baseball bat...tough luck. Get shot...tough luck. Get jumped a week later...tough luck.

The winner wins. Don't like it, don't start it.

[houndawg]

No hair? What are you saying?

I think what he's getting at is without anything (hair) to grab onto it would be hard and even unlikely to bash somebody's head into concrete with any kind of force from a forward mount position unless the guy was knocked out or at least loopy.

IMO what is more likely is that Martin got off the first lick, knocked Zimmerman down, mounted him, punched him repeatedly in the face and head, and the force of those punches made Zimmerman's head hit the concrete which caused the scratches and scrapes on the back of Zimmerman's head.

I tried to put myself in Zimmerman's shoes as far as remembering exactly every detail of the struggle but I keep thinking that it probably happened so fast, it was dark and raining, and he did get punched in the face repeatedly, so there is a certian "fog of war" factor regarding his memory that may be in play.

I'd be willing to give him some latitude on the most minute details- not major ones- based on that. Remember, it is not up to Zimmerman to prove his innocence, it is up to the prosecution to prove Zimmerman's guilt of what he is charged with beyond a reasonable doubt based on the evidence.

If the Zimmster is lying about getting his head bashed on the ground what else is he lying about?

[Ibanez]

No hair? What are you saying?

I think what he's getting at is without anything (hair) to grab onto it would be hard and even unlikely to bash somebody's head into concrete with any kind of force from a forward mount position unless the guy was knocked out or at least loopy.

IMO what is more likely is that Martin got off the first lick, knocked Zimmerman down, mounted him, punched him repeatedly in the face and head, and the force of those punches made Zimmerman's head hit the concrete which caused the scratches and scrapes on the back of Zimmerman's head.

I tried to put myself in Zimmerman's shoes as far as remembering exactly every detail of the struggle but I keep thinking that it probably happened so fast, it was dark and raining, and he did get punched in the face repeatedly, so there is a certian "fog of war" factor regarding his memory that may be in play.

I'd be willing to give him some latitude on the most minute details- not major ones- based on that. Remember, it is not up to Zimmerman to prove his innocence, it is up to the prosecution to prove Zimmerman's guilt of what he is charged with beyond a reasonable doubt based on the evidence.

That's more plausidble.

[mrklean]

any punk and pull a trigger...IJS

Any punk can throw a punch.

The way I figure it, if you feel that physical force is the way to resolve the problem, then you deserve whatever you get by whatever means. Get beat by a person who studied karate/martial arts...tough luck. Get bit...tough luck. Get stabbed...tough luck. Get your eyes gouged out or your balls smashed...tough luck. Get hit with a baseball bat...tough luck. Get shot...tough luck. Get jumped a week later...tough luck.

The winner wins. Don't like it, don't start it.

Zimmerman started this shit. He was told by police to keep his azz in the car , but NOOOOOOO, wannabe cop had to play hero and got his azz kicked by a 16 year old boy.

[houndawg]

Any punk can throw a punch.

The way I figure it, if you feel that physical force is the way to resolve the problem, then you deserve whatever you get by whatever means. Get beat by a person who studied karate/martial arts...tough luck. Get bit...tough luck. Get stabbed...tough luck. Get your eyes gouged out or your balls smashed...tough luck. Get hit with a baseball bat...tough luck. Get shot...tough luck. Get jumped a week later...tough luck.

The winner wins. Don't like it, don't start it.

Zimmerman started this ****. He was told by police to keep his azz in the car , but NOOOOOOO, wannabe cop had to play hero and got his azz kicked by a 16 year old boy.

The slam dunk is losing some of its thunder all of a sudden. The defendant just got caught lying. Says he knew nothing of the stand your ground law and was contradicted by the guy who taught his criminal justice class.

Now his head bashing story looks even more dubious. Maybe this guy knew exactly what he was doing.

[blueballs]

I think what he's getting at is without anything (hair) to grab onto it would be hard and even unlikely to bash somebody's head into concrete with any kind of force from a forward mount position unless the guy was knocked out or at least loopy.

IMO what is more likely is that Martin got off the first lick, knocked Zimmerman down, mounted him, punched him repeatedly in the face and head, and the force of those punches made Zimmerman's head hit the concrete which caused the scratches and scrapes on the back of Zimmerman's head.

I tried to put myself in Zimmerman's shoes as far as remembering exactly every detail of the struggle but I keep thinking that it probably happened so fast, it was dark and raining, and he did get punched in the face repeatedly, so there is a certian "fog of war" factor regarding his memory that may be in play.

I'd be willing to give him some latitude on the most minute details- not major ones- based on that. Remember, it is not up to Zimmerman to prove his innocence, it is up to the prosecution to prove Zimmerman's guilt of what he is charged with beyond a reasonable doubt based on the evidence.

If the Zimmster is lying about getting his head bashed on the ground what else is he lying about?

Now we're getting into symantics, which is the very definition of reasonable doubt... What is the definition of "getting one's head bashed into the ground?" Is it having somebody grab the head with both hands and slam it? Is it being punched and having the head hit the ground as a result? Is it having one hand or two push it into the ground? Is it being tackled or thrown down and the head strikes the ground? In each case the head struck the ground as a direct result of impetus of the attacker.

This type of question is exactly the charge of murder 2 is an over reach. Heck, even the lead detective in the case (Cerino) admitted as much on Monday, which is why he wanted to pursue manslaughter charges but was pressured by politicians who were trying to quell a mob.

[houndawg]

If the Zimmster is lying about getting his head bashed on the ground what else is he lying about?

Now we're getting into symantics, which is the very definition of reasonable doubt... What is the definition of "getting one's head bashed into the ground?" Is it having somebody grab the head with both hands and slam it? Is it being punched and having the head hit the ground as a result? Is it having one hand or two push it into the ground? Is it being tackled or thrown down and the head strikes the ground? In each case the head struck the ground as a direct result of impetus of the attacker.

This type of question is exactly the charge of murder 2 is an over reach. Heck, even the lead detective in the case (Cerino) admitted as much on Monday, which is why he wanted to pursue manslaughter charges but was pressured by politicians who were trying to quell a mob.

I think that it is spelled "semantics". And yes it will be interesting to see how the defense spins this. Getting caught lying with respect to the stand your ground law hurts his story badly.

[blueballs]

Zimmerman started this ****. He was told by police to keep his azz in the car , but NOOOOOOO, wannabe cop had to play hero and got his azz kicked by a 16 year old boy.

The slam dunk is losing some of its thunder all of a sudden. The defendant just got caught lying. Says he knew nothing of the stand your ground law and was contradicted by the guy who taught his criminal justice class.

Now his head bashing story looks even more dubious. Maybe this guy knew exactly what he was doing.

Okay... how does that prove beyond a reasonable doubt the Zimmerman, with malice and depraved mind, sought to kill and subsequently killed Martin?

Here's a summation of the Florida statute to help you answer... "To prove second degree murder, a prosecutor must show that the defendant acted according to a "depraved mind" without regard for human life. Florida state laws permit the prosecution of second degree murder when the killing lacked premeditation or planning, but the defendant acted with enmity toward the victim or the two had an ongoing interaction or relationship. Unlike first degree murder, second degree murder does not necessarily require proof of the defendant's intent to kill.

State law specifically requires a charge of second degree murder if the victim dies during the commission of one of the felony crimes specified by statute. These felonies include burglary, home-invasion robbery, kidnapping, sexual battery, and a number of other offenses. To establish second degree murder, the prosecutor must show that the victim died as a result of an act committed by a non-participant in the felony. If the defendant or another criminal participant in the felony caused the unlawful killing, state law requires a charge of first degree murder rather than second degree murder."

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BTW, I had Symantec on the mind since I was on the computer and it cause me to mis-spell semantics. Now, since I was an "A" student (my mom was superintendent so I can't deny it) in grammar, spelling, composition, and english, does that prove that my oversight was intentional, or simply a mistake because I wasn't paying close enough attention?

[BDKJMU]

Zimmerman started this ****. He was told by police to keep his azz in the car , but NOOOOOOO, wannabe cop had to play hero and got his azz kicked by a 16 year old boy.

The slam dunk is losing some of its thunder all of a sudden. The defendant just got caught lying. Says he knew nothing of the stand your ground law and was contradicted by the guy who taught his criminal justice class.

Now his head bashing story looks even more dubious. Maybe this guy knew exactly what he was doing.

BS. I know you're itching to seeing Zimmerman found guilty, but just because the professor taught it doesn't mean he knew it. To know it he would have to remember it. There's a lot of stuff that was taught in my classes 15-20 years ago that if you asked me today if I knew/remembered it I would say no.

[BDKJMU]

Now we're getting into symantics, which is the very definition of reasonable doubt... What is the definition of "getting one's head bashed into the ground?" Is it having somebody grab the head with both hands and slam it? Is it being punched and having the head hit the ground as a result? Is it having one hand or two push it into the ground? Is it being tackled or thrown down and the head strikes the ground? In each case the head struck the ground as a direct result of impetus of the attacker.

This type of question is exactly the charge of murder 2 is an over reach. Heck, even the lead detective in the case (Cerino) admitted as much on Monday, which is why he wanted to pursue manslaughter charges but was pressured by politicians who were trying to quell a mob.

I think that it is spelled "semantics". And yes it will be interesting to see how the defense spins this. Getting caught lying with respect to the stand your ground law hurts his story badly.

He didn't get caught lying. PROVE he remembered what was taught in class years ago.

[YoUDeeMan]

Any punk can throw a punch.

The way I figure it, if you feel that physical force is the way to resolve the problem, then you deserve whatever you get by whatever means. Get beat by a person who studied karate/martial arts...tough luck. Get bit...tough luck. Get stabbed...tough luck. Get your eyes gouged out or your balls smashed...tough luck. Get hit with a baseball bat...tough luck. Get shot...tough luck. Get jumped a week later...tough luck.

The winner wins. Don't like it, don't start it.

Zimmerman started this shit. He was told by police to keep his azz in the car , but NOOOOOOO, wannabe cop had to play hero and got his azz kicked by a 16 year old boy.

No, he wasn't told by police to keep his azz in the car. The 911 operator can only give suggestions, not orders. They are not police officers.

While we're at it, I'm sure that a 911 operator would have advised Trayvon to continue to walk away instead of attacking some "cracker" that was following him. But we all know Trayvon was not smart enough, or willing enough, to call the police. Hotheads looking for trouble usually don't want police around when they bum-rush someone.

No, Trayvon appears to have started the actual physical fight...and the better man ended it as it should have ended - with some dumbazz, racist thug in a body bag.

According to you, we need more racists in body bags. Now, all we need to close this case is to have someone get an elephant gun and take out Jabbette the "Cracker-Hater" Hut.

[andy7171]

What's the punishment for Manslaughter? Can't we just plea bargain this for the lesser crime? Both sides win.

[blueballs]

What's the punishment for Manslaughter? Can't we just plea bargain this for the lesser crime? Both sides win.

Manslaughter committed with a firearm can get you up to 30 years in FL.

[ALPHAGRIZ1]

They should also be admissible, especially since its a physical fact that the brains of teenage males aren't fully developed at that age and the part that isn't developed is the part governing judgement. Same problem you have, Cuck, a dumbass that don't know when to shut up.

Awwww....houndawg has his panties in a bunch. You have a hard on for Zim because he reminds you of all the smarter kids that you were never able to bully. And Zim is a real man...no #8 bb sized crap for him. POW! Problem solved and no witnesses. Probably sends shivers down your spine.

Say, since you brought up the subject...fully developed brains are not usually found in union members either...bunch of unoriginal, untalented wimps who are afraid of competition and who need to find safety in numbers because they can't match wits with their superiors. Cripes, union fools give money to a bunch of fat, overpaid, inbred, well-paid union bosses who "negotiate" deals for the masses.

Gotta' hand it to you puppy, you keep getting schooled and coming back for more. Maybe you can form a union of dopes and pay someone on here to explain things to you. I nominate Cappy as your union boss...he certainly has the physical profile...and he has the brains. He'll bluster about and make noise, impressing you, while he laughs behind your back and uses your funds to support his sex toy fetish.

In the meantime, I'm going to give you a pet name. ToyB!tch is a good start...but you're probably used to that. Check in later...we'll figure out your new dog tag.

TB for short?
I like it!

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[ALPHAGRIZ1]

Now we're getting into symantics, which is the very definition of reasonable doubt... What is the definition of "getting one's head bashed into the ground?" Is it having somebody grab the head with both hands and slam it? Is it being punched and having the head hit the ground as a result? Is it having one hand or two push it into the ground? Is it being tackled or thrown down and the head strikes the ground? In each case the head struck the ground as a direct result of impetus of the attacker.

This type of question is exactly the charge of murder 2 is an over reach. Heck, even the lead detective in the case (Cerino) admitted as much on Monday, which is why he wanted to pursue manslaughter charges but was pressured by politicians who were trying to quell a mob.

I think that it is spelled "semantics". And yes it will be interesting to see how the defense spins this. Getting caught lying with respect to the stand your ground law hurts his story badly.

TB knows his seman....tics

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