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houndawg wrote:
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You're the worst kind of partisan hack. This case isn't a partisan issue, but you can't help yourself. :roll:
:jack:

I've said a half dozen times that the jury got their part right.


The real partisan hacks are the ones that are swallowing a proven liars story without a shred of skepticism, regardless of what effect it would or wouldn't have had on the outcome. :nod:
Trayvon's father and brother first said it wasn't Trayvon calling for help then said it was, are they the liars you are referring to?

Has anyone else interjected partisan labels into this thread other than you?
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ASUG8 wrote: Cudos to the normal guy who got involved in an active crime in progress and helping to stop a kidnapping. The police would likely advise the public against it due to potential danger, but it worked out for the best this time.

The difference here is that a crime had already been committed. To my knowledge nothing had happened in the Zimmerman case for Zim to intervene or begin questioning anyone. Nice try, but it's a pretty weak analogy . I'm not sure you got your money's worth out of that online weekend law school you took over the last couple of days. :lol:
"Intervene or begin questioning anyone?" No crime needs to be committed for a person to ask questions...you do know that, right, ASUG8, Esquire? :lol: :lol:

Who needs "authority" to ask questions...and when does asking questions make someone a target in anyone's mind (except yours, Trayvon's, and the mentally retarded - good company you're in)?

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Cluck U wrote:
ASUG8 wrote: Cudos to the normal guy who got involved in an active crime in progress and helping to stop a kidnapping. The police would likely advise the public against it due to potential danger, but it worked out for the best this time.

The difference here is that a crime had already been committed. To my knowledge nothing had happened in the Zimmerman case for Zim to intervene or begin questioning anyone. Nice try, but it's a pretty weak analogy . I'm not sure you got your money's worth out of that online weekend law school you took over the last couple of days. :lol:
"Intervene or begin questioning anyone?" No crime needs to be committed for a person to ask questions...you do know that, right, ASUG8, Esquire? :lol: :lol:

Who needs "authority" to ask questions...and when does asking questions make someone a target in anyone's mind (except yours, Trayvon's, and the mentally retarded - good company you're in)?

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Since you're intent on putting words in my mouth after your crash course in the Opie school of law.....let's say Zim walks up to a 17 yr old kid and says something to the effect of "what are you doing here?" (speculation of course). I would expect the kid to tell him to go screw himself, or ask him "who the hell are you and why are you following me?" That would hypothetically sound a little like Z was targeting me by following me around in a car then getting out and confronting me about what I'm doing and you could hopefully imagine how that situation might escalate. Nothing wrong with asking questions - I do it every day, barrister. :coffee: I can see a teenage kid getting a little PO'd when he's getting followed around by some guy he doesn't know that isn't wearing a badge.

Again, you're simply speculating and what you think happened as if Zimmerman's testimony is Gospel. Maybe it is, but neither you or I know that. I can only surmise that both of them made mistakes that night and it cost one of them his life. Despite what you seem to think I'm not taking sides on this and openly acknowledging that I have no idea exactly what happened. :coffee:
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ASUMountaineer wrote:
houndawg wrote:
:jack:

I've said a half dozen times that the jury got their part right.


The real partisan hacks are the ones that are swallowing a proven liars story without a shred of skepticism, regardless of what effect it would or wouldn't have had on the outcome. :nod:
You're the only one that brought up "conk" or "donk."

I'm amazed at how few people can actually keep politics and race out of their observation of this media circus of a trial (MSM - 1, Society - O).

I'm glad you're able to accept that the jury made the right decision, despite you're passionate disdain for Zimmerman--it's almost as if he personally harmed you. While I agree that Zimmerman is certainly guilty of bad judgment and choices, that doesn't make him guilty of murder. In addition, neither does being a "proven liar." Zimmerman didn't have to prove that he was telling the truth, the prosecution had to prove that he was guilty of murder. Those are two different things.

Please keep in mind that this is not meant to be a defense of Zimmerman, he only matters to me in a concept that you mentioned earlier: that it's better for a guilty person to be exonerated, than an innocent person to be convicted.

This case should have never become as racially and politically charged as it did. Your posts demonstrate that you have clearly bought into that hook, line, and sinker.
Why, how kind of you to say so. It means a lot to me. Seriously.

You'd have disdain for Zimm too if you believed that he went out looking for trouble and is the worst kind of chickenshit vigilante that achieves his hearts desire when he finally finds a situation where he can shoot hisself a minority and laugh about it later. The fat prick is a poster boy for gun control. :coffee:
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ASUG8 wrote: Since you're intent on putting words in my mouth...

I can only surmise...

Despite what you seem to think I'm not taking sides on this and openly acknowledging that I have no idea exactly what happened. :coffee:
Uhhhh...no. Let me put your own words in your mouth.
ASUG8 wrote:I've been following this only from a distance, but my take:

* Zimmerman shouldn't have been packing
* Zimmerman should have backed off when he was instructed to do so by 911
* Zimmerman likely provoked the response from Martin
* Zimmerman got himself into a "stand your ground" situation from this provocation

His vigilante justice will likely be his own demise, even on the outside of a prison. I don't envy the situation he got himself into, because he'll never be able to keep from checking his back.
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

Shall I go back and copy the part where you, in your own words, asked if Z, the so-called, in your own words, "vigilante", had gotten "authority" to ask someone questions? :lol:

You were confident enough to provide your version of what happened, and your idea of what Z should have done...and yet you say that I am the one speculating? :rofl:

We just went through a trial where all the evidence points to Z telling the truth. A police officer, trained in getting to the truth while observing people telling stories, said Z's story was credible (as a witness for the prosecutor :lol: ). Another detective believed Z was telling the truth. And yet YOU, with all of your legal and police experience being gleaned from CSI, have come up with your own version...and you, of course, attach a list of "acceptable" (to you) behaviors for Z, who in your, "I can only surmise" words, was using "vigilante justice", including taking away his right to carry and his right to converse with, and ask questions of, a stranger in his neighborhood. :shock:

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

When you get off your high horse, you might someday see how funny, and sad, that is. :nod: :thumb:
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houndawg wrote:Why, how kind of you to say so. It means a lot to me. Seriously.

You'd have disdain for Zimm too if you believed that he went out looking for trouble and is the worst kind of chickenshit vigilante that achieves his hearts desire when he finally finds a situation where he can shoot hisself a minority and laugh about it later. The fat prick is a poster boy for gun control. :coffee:
There are some drugs that might help you contain your anger. :nod:

Everyone should shoot any punk that attacks them. What's the downside...fewer punks? :thumb:
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houndawg wrote:
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Changed his story at least twice, BDKFKHD. Once when he told the cops he wasn't following TM, but looking for a street sign. And again when he lied and said he didn't know about the SYG law. If Zimm had been shot by TM you would be bleating at the top of your lungs about these "inconsistencies". :coffee:

Stupid conk fvck. :ohno:
NONE of those were "Proven lies" you stupid donk fvck. :dunce:
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houndawg wrote: You'd have disdain for Zimm too if you believed that he went out looking for trouble and is the worst kind of chickenshit vigilante that achieves his hearts desire when he finally finds a situation where he can shoot hisself a minority and laugh about it later. The fat prick is a poster boy for gun control. :coffee:
A minority shot and killed another minority. Shit happens every day.

Calm down, you're getting the vapors.
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BDKJMU wrote:
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Changed his story at least twice, BDKFKHD. Once when he told the cops he wasn't following TM, but looking for a street sign. And again when he lied and said he didn't know about the SYG law. If Zimm had been shot by TM you would be bleating at the top of your lungs about these "inconsistencies". :coffee:

Stupid conk fvck. :ohno:
NONE of those were "Proven lies" you stupid donk fvck. :dunce:
Changed his story on both counts, BDKHDJB. :coffee:
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Cluck U wrote:
houndawg wrote:Why, how kind of you to say so. It means a lot to me. Seriously.

You'd have disdain for Zimm too if you believed that he went out looking for trouble and is the worst kind of chickenshit vigilante that achieves his hearts desire when he finally finds a situation where he can shoot hisself a minority and laugh about it later. The fat prick is a poster boy for gun control. :coffee:
There are some drugs that might help you contain your anger. :nod:

Everyone should shoot any punk that attacks them. What's the downside...fewer punks? :thumb:
:lol:

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Well said Ted Nugent: :nod:
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1st juror speaks:
"Juror: 'No doubt' that Zimmerman feared for his life

(CNN) -- One of the jurors who acquitted George Zimmerman said she had "no doubt" he feared for his life in the final moments of his struggle with Trayvon Martin, and that was the definitive factor in the verdict.
The woman, who was identified just as Juror B37, spoke exclusively to CNN's "Anderson Cooper 360" on Monday night. She is the first juror to speak publicly about the case.

She said she believed Zimmerman's "heart was in the right place" the night he killed Martin, but that he didn't use "good judgment" in confronting the Florida teen.

"I think George Zimmerman is a man whose heart was in the right place, but just got displaced by the vandalism in the neighborhoods and wanting to catch these people so badly that he went above and beyond what he really should have done. But I think his heart was in the right place. It just went terribly wrong," she said.

If anything, Zimmerman was guilty of not using "good judgment," the juror said.

"When he was in the car, and he had called 911, he shouldn't have gotten out of that car," she said.
She also said she believes Martin threw the first punch in their confrontation.

"I think the roles changed. I think George got in a little bit too deep, which he shouldn't have been there. But Trayvon decided that he wasn't going to let him scare him ... and I think Trayvon got mad and attacked him," she said.

Zimmerman felt his life was in danger before shooting Martin, and it was his voice that was heard screaming for help in 911 calls, the juror said she believes.

"He had a right to defend himself," the juror said about Zimmerman. "If he felt threatened that his life was going to be taken away from him, or he was going to have bodily harm, he had a right."

An initial vote was split. Three of the jurors first voted Zimmerman was guilty, while three voted he was not guilty, she said. Juror B37 was among those who believed he was not guilty from the start.

"There was a couple of them in there that wanted to find him guilty of something and after hours and hours and hours of deliberating over the law, and reading it over and over and over again, we decided there's just no way, other place to go," she said.

Jurors were not identified by name during the trial.

However, according to HLN, CNN's sister network, juror B37 has been married 20 years, has two adult children and once had a concealed weapons permit. She has lived in Seminole County, Florida, for 18 years and volunteers for animal rescue groups, according to HLN.

The juror is planning to write a book about her experience with the case, literary agent Sharlene Martin said before her interview aired.

"My hope is that people will read Juror B37's book, written with her attorney husband, and understand the commitment it takes to serve and be sequestered on a jury in a highly publicized murder trial and how important, despite one's personal viewpoints, it is to follow the letter of the law," the president of Martin Literary Agency wrote in a statement.

"It could open a whole new dialogue about laws that may need to be revised and revamped to suit a 21st Century way of life," Martin said.

Verdict debate doesn't end debate in Martin's death

Martin has handled a number of other controversial high-profile books, including "If I Did It," the book written by O.J. Simpson but acquired by the family of murder victim Ronald Goldman. That book details how the killings of Goldman and Simpson's former wife Nicole Simpson might have been committed."
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Jabba the Hut "Explains The Difference Between ‘N*gga’ And ‘N*gger’ To Piers Morgan

In the third part of Piers Morgan‘s extensive, exclusive interview with Trayvon Martin‘s friend Rachel Jeantel about her testimony in the George Zimmerman trial, the host asked his guest if there was anything she wished she’d said on the stand. Jeantel answered with one word: “Nigga.”

Jeantel explained to Morgan that “the whole world say it’s a racist word” but the version of the word that she testified Martin had used in reference to Zimmerman, spelled “n-i-g-g-a” doesn’t mean what most people think it means. It doesn’t mean a “black male” as Morgan assumed, she said, but rather any kind of man, including “Chinese” for example. Morgan helpfully pointed out that that’s the version rappers use in their music.

“But nigger,” Jeantel said, stressing the “-er.,” is a “racist word.” She said “I’d advise you not to be by black people” when you say that word, Jeantel explained, “because they’re not going to have it like that.” And this is not just in her community as Morgan posited but in the entire “generation.”

Jeantel was clearly attempting to illuminate a conundrum that has plagued media coverage of race, not just during the Zimmerman trial but for decades, begging the question, does America need another CNN special on the “n-word?”"
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BDKJMU wrote:
houndawg wrote:
Changed his story at least twice, BDKFKHD. Once when he told the cops he wasn't following TM, but looking for a street sign. And again when he lied and said he didn't know about the SYG law. If Zimm had been shot by TM you would be bleating at the top of your lungs about these "inconsistencies". :coffee:

Stupid conk fvck. :ohno:
NONE of those were "Proven lies" you stupid donk fvck. :dunce:
How about his proven lie of not knowing the "stand your ground" law?
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BDKJMU wrote: NONE of those were "Proven lies" you stupid donk fvck. :dunce:
How about his proven lie of not knowing the "stand your ground" law?
The defense never invoked the stand your ground law. They presented their case purely from a self defense angle, which was the correct strategy.

The self defense angle is why GZ was not arrested and charged.
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Cluck U wrote:
ASUG8 wrote: Since you're intent on putting words in my mouth...

I can only surmise...

Despite what you seem to think I'm not taking sides on this and openly acknowledging that I have no idea exactly what happened. :coffee:
Uhhhh...no. Let me put your own words in your mouth.
ASUG8 wrote:I've been following this only from a distance, but my take:

* Zimmerman shouldn't have been packing
* Zimmerman should have backed off when he was instructed to do so by 911
* Zimmerman likely provoked the response from Martin
* Zimmerman got himself into a "stand your ground" situation from this provocation

His vigilante justice will likely be his own demise, even on the outside of a prison. I don't envy the situation he got himself into, because he'll never be able to keep from checking his back.
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

Shall I go back and copy the part where you, in your own words, asked if Z, the so-called, in your own words, "vigilante", had gotten "authority" to ask someone questions? :lol:

You were confident enough to provide your version of what happened, and your idea of what Z should have done...and yet you say that I am the one speculating? :rofl:

We just went through a trial where all the evidence points to Z telling the truth. A police officer, trained in getting to the truth while observing people telling stories, said Z's story was credible (as a witness for the prosecutor :lol: ). Another detective believed Z was telling the truth. And yet YOU, with all of your legal and police experience being gleaned from CSI, have come up with your own version...and you, of course, attach a list of "acceptable" (to you) behaviors for Z, who in your, "I can only surmise" words, was using "vigilante justice", including taking away his right to carry and his right to converse with, and ask questions of, a stranger in his neighborhood. :shock:

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

When you get off your high horse, you might someday see how funny, and sad, that is. :nod: :thumb:
Why don't you go back and find the parts where I said Zimmerman is the only one who truly knows what happened. How about when I said that he could talk to anyone he wants? I'll wait. :coffee: I have no police or law experience - I have no idea what your background is but clearly it's law enforcement or criminal justice with your level of trust in those who interviewed him. There's no way that Z could have been a little mixed up about what happened or maybe changed the events to stay out of jail, right? People use words like "speculation" and "likely" when they don't have 100% certainty about what happened. I used them frequently because like I said, you and I only know what Zimmerman told us happened and nothing more.

As for the high horse comment, it's damn near comical coming out of you. :rofl:
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I remember the Lion murder. That was sad. The community really came together for his family and friends. I don't remember any white people rioting.
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Has anyone seen the video of the Defense intern? She's such an intelligent, rational person. It's on CNN.
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Is the difference the use of an old picture of the first victim, in an attempt to elicit emotion because of misrepresenting him to be more likable at the time of his shooting and a current picture of the second victim at the time of the tragedy because there was no need to doctor his image at the time he was shot?
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blueballs wrote:
eagleskins wrote:
How about his proven lie of not knowing the "stand your ground" law?
The defense never invoked the stand your ground law. They presented their case purely from a self defense angle, which was the correct strategy.

The self defense angle is why GZ was not arrested and charged.
You're missing the point, 'balls. Regardless of whether the SYG law was used or not, why did Zimm lie to the cops and say he didn't know about it? And why did he lie to the cops and say he wasn't following Martin, he was "looking for a street sign"? Perhaps the street sign was dangerous and he felt he shouldn't be looking for it unarmed. We'll never know why he told those lies but both would suggest premeditation.
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houndawg wrote:
blueballs wrote:
The defense never invoked the stand your ground law. They presented their case purely from a self defense angle, which was the correct strategy.

The self defense angle is why GZ was not arrested and charged.
You're missing the point, 'balls. Regardless of whether the SYG law was used or not, why did Zimm lie to the cops and say he didn't know about it? And why did he lie to the cops and say he wasn't following Martin, he was "looking for a street sign"? Perhaps the street sign was dangerous and he felt he shouldn't be looking for it unarmed. We'll never know why he told those lies but both would suggest premeditation.
According to police testimony...
Zimmerman says he got out of his car to find a street sign and to see where Trayvon was going. Zimmerman says he was walking back to his car when Trayvon, probably hiding in the bushes, came out and said, "You got a problem, homie?"
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nati ... s/2479185/

Again, how often does a person who commits premeditated murder call the police just minutes before he commits the alleged premeditated murder? :suspicious:
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Re: Zimmerman Trial

Post by grizzaholic »

Precious is just that, PRECIOUS.

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“Don West is lucky I’m a Christian,” Jeantel, 19, said when asked how she was treated in the courtroom by defense attorney Don West.

“In my area, weed for Trayvon, weed don’t make him go crazy,” she said. “It just make him hungry.”

And on the jury saying race played no role: “They’re white.”
"What I'm saying is: You might have taken care of your wolf problem, but everyone around town is going to think of you as the crazy son of a bitch who bought land mines to get rid of wolves."

Justin Halpern
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