Zimmerman Trial

[BDKJMU]

Changed his story at least twice, BDKFKHD. Once when he told the cops he wasn't following TM, but looking for a street sign. And again when he lied and said he didn't know about the SYG law. If Zimm had been shot by TM you would be bleating at the top of your lungs about these "inconsistencies".

Stupid conk fvck.

1. That doesn't "prove" he lied. Go see Baldy's post on this a couple of posts ago with the USAToday link.

2. Wit the class thing in regards to the SYG law was debunked weeks ago. It doesn't matter if he got an "A" in the class. People forget a lot, if not most, stuff they learned in college, including for classes they got As in. Now there is the POSSIBILITY he lied, but it certainly WASN'T PROVEN.

More from an HLN legal analyst:

".....The prosecution also introduced Zimmerman’s recorded and written statements into evidence, presumably to show the jury that he contradicts himself and is lying about his version of events the night he shot Martin. The problem is, it didn't work.

If you have a liar on the stand, an inconsistency is like a loose thread: As you pull on it, a liar's story will start to unravel. However, some inconsistencies could be based on poor memory, stress, etc. Without the story unraveling, there's no "proof" that the witness is lying.

Let's walk through Zimmerman’s supposed inconsistencies:

1. In his first taped police interview, Zimmerman said Martin circled his car. In the 911 call, he didn’t describe it as circling. That seems immaterial and the police agreed.

2. Zimmerman told police that he got out of his car because he could not tell police the name of the street where he lost Martin. His neighborhood, the Retreat at Twin Lakes, only has three streets — not remembering the name of one of them is not very believable. Does this detail prove beyond a reasonable doubt that Zimmerman is a liar? No.

3. Zimmerman also told Sanford Police investigator Doris Singleton that Martin “jumped” out of the bushes. However, the map of the area doesn’t appear to show any bushes near the spot of the fight. This could be a problem, but again, I’m not sure it proves that Zimmerman is lying about the entire encounter or simply doesn’t remember the dark, rainy scene accurately.

4. Zimmerman testified that Martin said “you’re going to die tonight” as he attacked him, but none of the witnesses heard that threat. I wouldn’t expect the witnesses to have heard it: It was raining and most witnesses were indoors and described hearing muffled screams. A threat is probably not going to be as loud as a scream for help.

5. Zimmerman claims that after Martin “jumped” out of the bushes, he sucker-punched him and Zimmerman fell to the ground. Four former neighbors testified that there was a scuffle on that dark, rainy night. Two said they thought Zimmerman was on top at one point, but the other two testified that Martin was on top. Jonathan Good very convincingly said it was Zimmerman yelling for help, pinned down by Martin. Is Zimmerman lying about the sucker-punch and the fall to the ground? I don’t know -- maybe. But even the police agree that someone might not remember every detail about a traumatic event. But remember, it’s the prosecution’s job to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that Zimmerman started the fight and just the act of getting out of his car doesn’t get you there.

6. One of the major inconsistencies in Zimmerman’s statement is that he says he got on top of Martin after shooting him and spread his arms out to make sure there was no weapon. That statement seems to be contradictory, assuming nobody altered the position Martin’s body, which was found face down, with his hands underneath him.

As if the decision to admit all of Zimmerman’s statements into evidence isn't weird enough, the prosecution then brings on more damaging witnesses. Sanford Police Det. Chris Serino did the most damage to the prosecution’s case, testifying that there were "no significant inconsistencies" between the statements and interviews Zimmerman gave.

During cross-examination, defense attorney Mark O'Mara asked the lead witness for the prosecution if he thought "Zimmerman was telling the truth." At that moment, the jury leaned forward, listening intently, as Serino replied, "Yes."

The lead witness in the prosecution's case believes Zimmerman is telling the truth…

It's not Zimmerman's story that's unraveling, but rather the prosecution's case against him."
http://www.hlntv.com/article/2013/07/02 ... rman-story" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

You're just a Z hater who was looking for any inconsistency to go "liar, liar, pants on fire!"

The only thing that has been "proven" on here the last few days is you're an idiot.

[BDKJMU]

NONE of those were "Proven lies" you stupid donk fvck.

How about his proven lie of not knowing the "stand your ground" law?

See my previous post. Saying you don't remember something that you had in a college class, including one you got an "A" in, doesn't "prove" yourself to be a liar. It leaves open the possibility that you're lying, but it doesn't "prove" it. Don't prove yourself to be an idiot like Houndog.

And again SYG wasn't introduced by the defense during trial...

[BDKJMU]

Has anyone seen the video of the Defense intern? She's such an intelligent, rational person. It's on CNN.
http://www.cnn.com/video/data/2.0/video ... n.cnn.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Very well spoken young lady. Not bad looking either. Interesting story.

[ASUMountaineer]

You're the only one that brought up "conk" or "donk."

I'm amazed at how few people can actually keep politics and race out of their observation of this media circus of a trial (MSM - 1, Society - O).

I'm glad you're able to accept that the jury made the right decision, despite you're passionate disdain for Zimmerman--it's almost as if he personally harmed you. While I agree that Zimmerman is certainly guilty of bad judgment and choices, that doesn't make him guilty of murder. In addition, neither does being a "proven liar." Zimmerman didn't have to prove that he was telling the truth, the prosecution had to prove that he was guilty of murder. Those are two different things.

Please keep in mind that this is not meant to be a defense of Zimmerman, he only matters to me in a concept that you mentioned earlier: that it's better for a guilty person to be exonerated, than an innocent person to be convicted.

This case should have never become as racially and politically charged as it did. Your posts demonstrate that you have clearly bought into that hook, line, and sinker.

Why, how kind of you to say so. It means a lot to me. Seriously.

You'd have disdain for Zimm too if you believed that he went out looking for trouble and is the worst kind of chickenshit vigilante that achieves his hearts desire when he finally finds a situation where he can shoot hisself a minority and laugh about it later. The fat prick is a poster boy for gun control.

Are you positive that Zimm, a Hispanic Democrat, is the racist you paint him to be? Are you sure that Zimm owning a business with a black man and mentoring poor minority kids was just a front to hide his racism? I think Zimm is most of what you claim, but it doesn't make him a murderer. Is he a punk? It appears so. Did he make a lot of bad decisions? Absolutely. Is he a racist? Maybe, maybe not. Is he a murderer? The jury said no.

I have no reason to like Zimm, and he doesn't seem to be a likable dude (even without the media's attacks). You presume that everyone who has no personal knowledge of Zimm, and doesn't crucify him, somehow supports him. That's nonsense, and I'm pretty sure you know that.

Look, you're supposing a lot (which is why I wrote the condescending statement that you bolded) when you assume that I in some way support Zimm. I have no dog in the hunt, and just wanted the trial to be fair and just. It appears that we both agree that that happened. That's the most important thing in this situation. The fact that you bought into the media's hype is saddening, but rest assured you were not alone.

[BDKJMU]

Why, how kind of you to say so. It means a lot to me. Seriously.

You'd have disdain for Zimm too if you believed that he went out looking for trouble and is the worst kind of chickenshit vigilante that achieves his hearts desire when he finally finds a situation where he can shoot hisself a minority and laugh about it later. The fat prick is a poster boy for gun control.

Are you positive that Zimm, a Hispanic Democrat, is the racist you paint him to be? Are you sure that Zimm owning a business with a black man and mentoring poor minority kids was just a front to hide his racism? I think Zimm is most of what you claim, but it doesn't make him a murderer. Is he a punk? It appears so. Did he make a lot of bad decisions? Absolutely. Is he a racist? Maybe, maybe not. Is he a murderer? The jury said no.

I have no reason to like Zimm, and he doesn't seem to be a likable dude (even without the media's attacks). You presume that everyone who has no personal knowledge of Zimm, and doesn't crucify him, somehow supports him. That's nonsense, and I'm pretty sure you know that.

Look, you're supposing a lot (which is why I wrote the condescending statement that you bolded) when you assume that I in some way support Zimm. I have no dog in the hunt, and just wanted the trial to be fair and just. It appears that we both agree that that happened. That's the most important thing in this situation. The fact that you bought into the media's hype is saddening, but rest assured you were not alone.

Also the defense team intern who happened to be black, who spent over a year getting to know Z, was asked in the CNN interview and said he was not a racist.

[houndawg]

Changed his story at least twice, BDKFKHD. Once when he told the cops he wasn't following TM, but looking for a street sign. And again when he lied and said he didn't know about the SYG law. If Zimm had been shot by TM you would be bleating at the top of your lungs about these "inconsistencies".

Stupid conk fvck.

1. That doesn't "prove" he lied. Go see Baldy's post on this a couple of posts ago with the USAToday link.

2. Wit the class thing in regards to the SYG law was debunked weeks ago. It doesn't matter if he got an "A" in the class. People forget a lot, if not most, stuff they learned in college, including for classes they got As in. Now there is the POSSIBILITY he lied, but it certainly WASN'T PROVEN.

More from an HLN legal analyst:

".....The prosecution also introduced Zimmerman’s recorded and written statements into evidence, presumably to show the jury that he contradicts himself and is lying about his version of events the night he shot Martin. The problem is, it didn't work.

If you have a liar on the stand, an inconsistency is like a loose thread: As you pull on it, a liar's story will start to unravel. However, some inconsistencies could be based on poor memory, stress, etc. Without the story unraveling, there's no "proof" that the witness is lying.

Let's walk through Zimmerman’s supposed inconsistencies:

1. In his first taped police interview, Zimmerman said Martin circled his car. In the 911 call, he didn’t describe it as circling. That seems immaterial and the police agreed.

2. Zimmerman told police that he got out of his car because he could not tell police the name of the street where he lost Martin. His neighborhood, the Retreat at Twin Lakes, only has three streets — not remembering the name of one of them is not very believable. Does this detail prove beyond a reasonable doubt that Zimmerman is a liar? No.

3. Zimmerman also told Sanford Police investigator Doris Singleton that Martin “jumped” out of the bushes. However, the map of the area doesn’t appear to show any bushes near the spot of the fight. This could be a problem, but again, I’m not sure it proves that Zimmerman is lying about the entire encounter or simply doesn’t remember the dark, rainy scene accurately.

4. Zimmerman testified that Martin said “you’re going to die tonight” as he attacked him, but none of the witnesses heard that threat. I wouldn’t expect the witnesses to have heard it: It was raining and most witnesses were indoors and described hearing muffled screams. A threat is probably not going to be as loud as a scream for help.

5. Zimmerman claims that after Martin “jumped” out of the bushes, he sucker-punched him and Zimmerman fell to the ground. Four former neighbors testified that there was a scuffle on that dark, rainy night. Two said they thought Zimmerman was on top at one point, but the other two testified that Martin was on top. Jonathan Good very convincingly said it was Zimmerman yelling for help, pinned down by Martin. Is Zimmerman lying about the sucker-punch and the fall to the ground? I don’t know -- maybe. But even the police agree that someone might not remember every detail about a traumatic event. But remember, it’s the prosecution’s job to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that Zimmerman started the fight and just the act of getting out of his car doesn’t get you there.

6. One of the major inconsistencies in Zimmerman’s statement is that he says he got on top of Martin after shooting him and spread his arms out to make sure there was no weapon. That statement seems to be contradictory, assuming nobody altered the position Martin’s body, which was found face down, with his hands underneath him.

As if the decision to admit all of Zimmerman’s statements into evidence isn't weird enough, the prosecution then brings on more damaging witnesses. Sanford Police Det. Chris Serino did the most damage to the prosecution’s case, testifying that there were "no significant inconsistencies" between the statements and interviews Zimmerman gave.

During cross-examination, defense attorney Mark O'Mara asked the lead witness for the prosecution if he thought "Zimmerman was telling the truth." At that moment, the jury leaned forward, listening intently, as Serino replied, "Yes."

The lead witness in the prosecution's case believes Zimmerman is telling the truth…

It's not Zimmerman's story that's unraveling, but rather the prosecution's case against him."
http://www.hlntv.com/article/2013/07/02 ... rman-story" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

You're just a Z hater who was looking for any inconsistency to go "liar, liar, pants on fire!"

The only thing that has been "proven" on here the last few days is you're an idiot.

You are becoming JSO-like in your ability to blather on at substantial length while totally ignoring the point.

You keep coming back to this straw man that's bolded. Nobody disputes that part, BDKSHTHD. What I'm pointing out, and you're too stupid to realize, is how eager you are to take everything this guy says as the gospel and make some sort of hero vigilante out of him when he has a rap sheet that is every bit the equal of Martin's facebook page, including violently resisting the cops and having a restraining order imposed. Chumps like you think he's Clint Eastwood when the reality is that he's a small-time punk with enough wise guy in him to get away with provoking an incident with an unarmed teen ager and killing him.

Note that much smaller inconsistencies than the ones you mention have thousands of people convinced that Obama was born in Kenya.

[BDKJMU]

1. That doesn't "prove" he lied. Go see Baldy's post on this a couple of posts ago with the USAToday link.

2. Wit the class thing in regards to the SYG law was debunked weeks ago. It doesn't matter if he got an "A" in the class. People forget a lot, if not most, stuff they learned in college, including for classes they got As in. Now there is the POSSIBILITY he lied, but it certainly WASN'T PROVEN.

More from an HLN legal analyst:

".....The prosecution also introduced Zimmerman’s recorded and written statements into evidence, presumably to show the jury that he contradicts himself and is lying about his version of events the night he shot Martin. The problem is, it didn't work.

If you have a liar on the stand, an inconsistency is like a loose thread: As you pull on it, a liar's story will start to unravel. However, some inconsistencies could be based on poor memory, stress, etc. Without the story unraveling, there's no "proof" that the witness is lying.

Let's walk through Zimmerman’s supposed inconsistencies:

1. In his first taped police interview, Zimmerman said Martin circled his car. In the 911 call, he didn’t describe it as circling. That seems immaterial and the police agreed.

2. Zimmerman told police that he got out of his car because he could not tell police the name of the street where he lost Martin. His neighborhood, the Retreat at Twin Lakes, only has three streets — not remembering the name of one of them is not very believable. Does this detail prove beyond a reasonable doubt that Zimmerman is a liar? No.

3. Zimmerman also told Sanford Police investigator Doris Singleton that Martin “jumped” out of the bushes. However, the map of the area doesn’t appear to show any bushes near the spot of the fight. This could be a problem, but again, I’m not sure it proves that Zimmerman is lying about the entire encounter or simply doesn’t remember the dark, rainy scene accurately.

4. Zimmerman testified that Martin said “you’re going to die tonight” as he attacked him, but none of the witnesses heard that threat. I wouldn’t expect the witnesses to have heard it: It was raining and most witnesses were indoors and described hearing muffled screams. A threat is probably not going to be as loud as a scream for help.

5. Zimmerman claims that after Martin “jumped” out of the bushes, he sucker-punched him and Zimmerman fell to the ground. Four former neighbors testified that there was a scuffle on that dark, rainy night. Two said they thought Zimmerman was on top at one point, but the other two testified that Martin was on top. Jonathan Good very convincingly said it was Zimmerman yelling for help, pinned down by Martin. Is Zimmerman lying about the sucker-punch and the fall to the ground? I don’t know -- maybe. But even the police agree that someone might not remember every detail about a traumatic event. But remember, it’s the prosecution’s job to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that Zimmerman started the fight and just the act of getting out of his car doesn’t get you there.

6. One of the major inconsistencies in Zimmerman’s statement is that he says he got on top of Martin after shooting him and spread his arms out to make sure there was no weapon. That statement seems to be contradictory, assuming nobody altered the position Martin’s body, which was found face down, with his hands underneath him.

As if the decision to admit all of Zimmerman’s statements into evidence isn't weird enough, the prosecution then brings on more damaging witnesses. Sanford Police Det. Chris Serino did the most damage to the prosecution’s case, testifying that there were "no significant inconsistencies" between the statements and interviews Zimmerman gave.

During cross-examination, defense attorney Mark O'Mara asked the lead witness for the prosecution if he thought "Zimmerman was telling the truth." At that moment, the jury leaned forward, listening intently, as Serino replied, "Yes."

The lead witness in the prosecution's case believes Zimmerman is telling the truth…

It's not Zimmerman's story that's unraveling, but rather the prosecution's case against him."
http://www.hlntv.com/article/2013/07/02 ... rman-story" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

You're just a Z hater who was looking for any inconsistency to go "liar, liar, pants on fire!"

The only thing that has been "proven" on here the last few days is you're an idiot.

You are becoming JSO-like in your ability to blather on at substantial length while totally ignoring the point.

You keep coming back to this straw man that's bolded. Nobody disputes that part, BDKSHTHD. What I'm pointing out, and you're too stupid to realize, is how eager you are to take everything this guy says as the gospel and make some sort of hero vigilante out of him when he has a rap sheet that is every bit the equal of Martin's facebook page, including violently resisting the cops and having a restraining order imposed. Chumps like you think he's Clint Eastwood when the reality is that he's a small-time punk with enough wise guy in him to get away with provoking an incident with an unarmed teen ager and killing him.

Note that much smaller inconsistencies than the ones you mention have thousands of people convinced that Obama was born in Kenya.

Now you're trying to deflect from the fact that your claim of "proven liar" has been proven wrong.

[YoUDeeMan]

You're missing the point, 'balls. Regardless of whether the SYG law was used or not, why did Zimm lie to the cops and say he didn't know about it? And why did he lie to the cops and say he wasn't following Martin, he was "looking for a street sign"? Perhaps the street sign was dangerous and he felt he shouldn't be looking for it unarmed. We'll never know why he told those lies but both would suggest premeditation.

According to police testimony...

Zimmerman says he got out of his car to find a street sign and to see where Trayvon was going. Zimmerman says he was walking back to his car when Trayvon, probably hiding in the bushes, came out and said, "You got a problem, homie?"

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nati ... s/2479185/

Again, how often does a person who commits premeditated murder call the police just minutes before he commits the alleged premeditated murder?

Isn't there a 3 knock-down rule on this forum? houndawg is taking a beating that even his mother wouldn't want to see.

[Ibanez]

You are becoming JSO-like in your ability to blather on at substantial length while totally ignoring the point.

You keep coming back to this straw man that's bolded. Nobody disputes that part, BDKSHTHD. What I'm pointing out, and you're too stupid to realize, is how eager you are to take everything this guy says as the gospel and make some sort of hero vigilante out of him when he has a rap sheet that is every bit the equal of Martin's facebook page, including violently resisting the cops and having a restraining order imposed. Chumps like you think he's Clint Eastwood when the reality is that he's a small-time punk with enough wise guy in him to get away with provoking an incident with an unarmed teen ager and killing him.

Note that much smaller inconsistencies than the ones you mention have thousands of people convinced that Obama was born in Kenya.

Now you're trying to deflect from the fact that your claim of "proven liar" has been proven wrong.

In the end a guy with no history of violence, who seems to be weak minded survived a fight against a kid with discipline issues,history of drug use and acting like a "gangsta." What more is there to say?

[YoUDeeMan]

You are becoming JSO-like in your ability to blather on at substantial length while totally ignoring the point.

You keep coming back to this straw man that's bolded. Nobody disputes that part, BDKSHTHD. What I'm pointing out, and you're too stupid to realize, is how eager you are to take everything this guy says as the gospel and make some sort of hero vigilante out of him when he has a rap sheet that is every bit the equal of Martin's facebook page, including violently resisting the cops and having a restraining order imposed. Chumps like you think he's Clint Eastwood when the reality is that he's a small-time punk with enough wise guy in him to get away with provoking an incident with an unarmed teen ager and killing him.

Note that much smaller inconsistencies than the ones you mention have thousands of people convinced that Obama was born in Kenya.

Now you're trying to deflect from the fact that your claim of "proven liar" has been proven wrong.

After having blathered himself (I hope he cleans that up), houndawg is once again thrown down like a wimpy rag doll.

Moderators...have you no decency? Michael Vick served time for his actions...we must save our puppy-dawg from this mauling!

[houndawg]

Now you're trying to deflect from the fact that your claim of "proven liar" has been proven wrong.

In the end a guy with no history of violence, who seems to be weak minded survived a fight against a kid with discipline issues,history of drug use and acting like a "gangsta." What more is there to say?

C'mon, buddy, you probably have that info at your fingertips.


Two incidents of resisting a police officer, one violently. Restraining order for domestic violence.

Not the kind of guy to tell a lie, of course. But the unarmed black kid is the thug. Not the armed Hispanic who followed him and left him dead. On the street. In the rain. I think we might have a song here.

[Ibanez]

In the end a guy with no history of violence, who seems to be weak minded survived a fight against a kid with discipline issues,history of drug use and acting like a "gangsta." What more is there to say?

C'mon, buddy, you probably have that info at your fingertips.


Two incidents of resisting a police officer, one violently. Restraining order for domestic violence.

Not the kind of guy to tell a lie, of course. But the unarmed black kid is the thug. Not the armed Hispanic who followed him and left him dead. On the street. In the rain. I think we might have a song here.

I really don't care. They both have character flaws. Maybe Trayvon would be alive today if he hadn't been suspended from school, for the third time. He could've been a thug. I mean what 16, 17 yr old boy carries this around at school:

Trayvon’s backpack contained 12 pieces of jewelry, in addition to a watch and a large flathead screwdriver, according to the report, which described silver wedding bands and earrings with diamonds.

Trayvon was asked if the jewelry belonged to his family or a girlfriend.

“Martin replied it’s not mine. A friend gave it to me,” he responded, according to the report. Trayvon declined to name the friend.

Read more here: http://www.miamiherald.com/2012/03/26/2 ... rylink=cpy" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

It's not my weed, I was holding it for someone. If you can make baseless accusations against Zimmerman, why can't I make an educated quess against Martin?

There was zero proof of murder. This will not set a precedent. Case closed. There are more important issues than this one.

[Baldy]

In the end a guy with no history of violence, who seems to be weak minded survived a fight against a kid with discipline issues,history of drug use and acting like a "gangsta." What more is there to say?

C'mon, buddy, you probably have that info at your fingertips.


Two incidents of resisting a police officer, one violently. Restraining order for domestic violence.

Not the kind of guy to tell a lie, of course. But the unarmed black kid is the thug. Not the armed Hispanic who followed him and left him dead. On the street. In the rain. I think we might have a song here.

One incident of resisting a police officer, violently...a shove (musta been one hell of a shove), which was reduced to simple resisting...when he was 20 years old. Both him and the ex took restraining orders for domestic violence out on each other, again, when he was 20 years old. He is a punk for sure, but a far cry from the sophisticated career criminal you're trying to portray.

On the other hand you have innocent little Trayvon, 3 suspensions from school for destruction of school property, possession of dope, and possession of stolen property. Damn, the kid is only 17 and he already has Zimmy beat on the Punk-O-Meter.

[Ibanez]

You can't make this shit up.... Why weren't there any blacks on the Jury, well for one thing..

On CNN Newsroom Tuesday, it was revealed that a potential black juror had been struck by the prosecution for committing the crime of being a Fox News watcher

Read more: http://newsbusters.org/blogs/noel-shepp ... z2ZFl2ooxt" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

[DSUrocks07]

You can't make this **** up.... Why weren't there any blacks on the Jury, well for one thing..

On CNN Newsroom Tuesday, it was revealed that a potential black juror had been struck by the prosecution for committing the crime of being a Fox News watcher

Read more: http://newsbusters.org/blogs/noel-shepp ... z2ZFl2ooxt" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Now I have a new way to get out of Jury Duty

[grizzaholic]

Precious is just that, PRECIOUS.

http://news.yahoo.com/key-witness-in-zi ... 54314.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

“Don West is lucky I’m a Christian,” Jeantel, 19, said when asked how she was treated in the courtroom by defense attorney Don West.

“In my area, weed for Trayvon, weed don’t make him go crazy,” she said. “It just make him hungry.”

And on the jury saying race played no role: “They’re white.”

OH precious...you are just too much.

http://www.theatlanticwire.com/politics ... gay/67235/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

In an interview with CNN's Piers Morgan on Monday night, Rachel Jeantel said she told Martin to run from George Zimmerman because he might be a rapist

[BDKJMU]

Edit- never mind, already posted.

[CID1990]

Everybody is missing the truly delicious part of all of this.

Zimmerman was a liberal Obama voter. Hell, if someone else had shot Trayvon, Zim himself would probably have been out there somewhere carrying a sign.. blaming racism.

Instead, he's getting curb stomped by reality. The reality that no matter how many black kids you read to after school, no matter how many black friends you collect, at the end of the day if you find yourself in his situation you're nothing but a creepy ass cracker... to spend the rest of your life as a pariah, unable to get a job, unable to show your face anywhere outside of maybe Idaho... where you're just a spic and not a cracker.

The Hannibal Lecter character relished the sudden loss of blind innocence and willful ignorance in people involved in situations where everything they believed came crashing down around them in an instant. That's why he liked to collect pictures of cathedral collapses. Zimmerman went from being a multiculty Hispanic to a creepy ass cracker in the blink of an eye, and if there was ever a more fitting fate for anyone, I dont know what it is.


Sent from the center of the universe.

[houndawg]

Everybody is missing the truly delicious part of all of this.

Zimmerman was a liberal Obama voter. Hell, if someone else had shot Trayvon, Zim himself would probably have been out there somewhere carrying a sign.. blaming racism.

Instead, he's getting curb stomped by reality. The reality that no matter how many black kids you read to after school, no matter how many black friends you collect, at the end of the day if you find yourself in his situation you're nothing but a creepy ass cracker... to spend the rest of your life as a pariah, unable to get a job, unable to show your face anywhere outside of maybe Idaho... where you're just a spic and not a cracker.

The Hannibal Lecter character relished the sudden loss of blind innocence and willful ignorance in people involved in situations where everything they believed came crashing down around them in an instant. That's why he liked to collect pictures of cathedral collapses. Zimmerman went from being a multiculty Hispanic to a creepy ass cracker in the blink of an eye, and if there was ever a more fitting fate for anyone, I dont know what it is.


Sent from the center of the universe.

His political views don't matter and technically he's not guilty of murder

[DSUrocks07]

Everybody is missing the truly delicious part of all of this.

Zimmerman was a liberal Obama voter. Hell, if someone else had shot Trayvon, Zim himself would probably have been out there somewhere carrying a sign.. blaming racism.

Instead, he's getting curb stomped by reality. The reality that no matter how many black kids you read to after school, no matter how many black friends you collect, at the end of the day if you find yourself in his situation you're nothing but a creepy ass cracker... to spend the rest of your life as a pariah, unable to get a job, unable to show your face anywhere outside of maybe Idaho... where you're just a spic and not a cracker.

The Hannibal Lecter character relished the sudden loss of blind innocence and willful ignorance in people involved in situations where everything they believed came crashing down around them in an instant. That's why he liked to collect pictures of cathedral collapses. Zimmerman went from being a multiculty Hispanic to a creepy ass cracker in the blink of an eye, and if there was ever a more fitting fate for anyone, I dont know what it is.


Sent from the center of the universe.

But the ironic thing is that you could say the same thing about someone like me. If I was accused of something similar on the opposite "moral spectrum" of Conservatives (say the rape and murder of an innocent, blonde hair, blue eyed, church going white girl), I highly doubt they would come to my defense even if I were found not guilty. And Fox News and the uber-conservative rags would have a field day. So that sword cuts both ways.

It's all a product of the society that we live in.

[BDKJMU]

Stevie Wonder boycotting FL and any other state that has SYG laws.
http://www.cnn.com/2013/07/16/showbiz/s ... index.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
CNN says its 22 states. Wiki has 33 states that have it either by statute or established by case law:
Alabama
Alaska
Arizona
California
Florida
Georgia
Indiana
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[AZGrizFan]

Everybody is missing the truly delicious part of all of this.

Zimmerman was a liberal Obama voter. Hell, if someone else had shot Trayvon, Zim himself would probably have been out there somewhere carrying a sign.. blaming racism.

Instead, he's getting curb stomped by reality. The reality that no matter how many black kids you read to after school, no matter how many black friends you collect, at the end of the day if you find yourself in his situation you're nothing but a creepy ass cracker... to spend the rest of your life as a pariah, unable to get a job, unable to show your face anywhere outside of maybe Idaho... where you're just a spic and not a cracker.

The Hannibal Lecter character relished the sudden loss of blind innocence and willful ignorance in people involved in situations where everything they believed came crashing down around them in an instant. That's why he liked to collect pictures of cathedral collapses. Zimmerman went from being a multiculty Hispanic to a creepy ass cracker in the blink of an eye, and if there was ever a more fitting fate for anyone, I dont know what it is.


Sent from the center of the universe.

But the ironic thing is that you could say the same thing about someone like me. If I was accused of something similar on the opposite "moral spectrum" of Conservatives (say the rape and murder of an innocent, blonde hair, blue eyed, church going white girl), I highly doubt they would come to my defense even if I were found not guilty. And Fox News and the uber-conservative rags would have a field day. So that sword cuts both ways.

It's all a product of the society that we live in.

There are half a dozen cases similar to what you described and they aren't even a blip on the media's radar screen...

[eagleskins]

C'mon, buddy, you probably have that info at your fingertips.


Two incidents of resisting a police officer, one violently. Restraining order for domestic violence.

Not the kind of guy to tell a lie, of course. But the unarmed black kid is the thug. Not the armed Hispanic who followed him and left him dead. On the street. In the rain. I think we might have a song here.

One incident of resisting a police officer, violently...a shove (musta been one hell of a shove), which was reduced to simple resisting...when he was 20 years old. Both him and the ex took restraining orders for domestic violence out on each other, again, when he was 20 years old. He is a punk for sure, but a far cry from the sophisticated career criminal you're trying to portray.

On the other hand you have innocent little Trayvon, 3 suspensions from school for destruction of school property, possession of dope, and possession of stolen property. Damn, the kid is only 17 and he already has Zimmy beat on the Punk-O-Meter.

3 suspensions from school, none violent. Against an adult with 2 counts of violence, one against the sacred police and one against a woman. Good talk.

[Baldy]

One incident of resisting a police officer, violently...a shove (musta been one hell of a shove), which was reduced to simple resisting...when he was 20 years old. Both him and the ex took restraining orders for domestic violence out on each other, again, when he was 20 years old. He is a punk for sure, but a far cry from the sophisticated career criminal you're trying to portray.

On the other hand you have innocent little Trayvon, 3 suspensions from school for destruction of school property, possession of dope, and possession of stolen property. Damn, the kid is only 17 and he already has Zimmy beat on the Punk-O-Meter.

3 suspensions from school, none violent. Against an adult with 2 counts of violence, one against the sacred police and one against a woman. Good talk.

You might be on to something, Stump.

If Martin would have stayed in his comfort zone of theft, dope, and destroying other people's property instead of violently attacking some "creepy ass cracker", we wouldn't be in this situation.

[ASUMountaineer]

Stevie Wonder boycotting FL and any other state that has SYG laws.
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CNN says its 22 states. Wiki has 33 states that have it either by statute or established by case law:
Alabama
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California
Florida
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Washington
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Looks as if he doesn't realize that SYG had nothing to do with this case...I guess they don't print case records in braille.