Dem primary if/when Hillary's campaign flames out?

[Chizzang]

hillary's campaign is not going to fizzle

she will be the nominee

then she will be president

let's face it, she could show up to the national convention draped in bloody baby seals carrying a swastika and yell "fvck all of you - just vote for me" and she would win

honestly - I dont know why she doesnt just come out and admit that she had a private server in order to spare her poor self and family from the vast right wing conspiracy

that would end the scandal right there in the eyes of the dorks that will vote for her anyway

All ^ true...
But here's the fascinating thing
Based on the last two presidents she's probably better for the job then both of those knuckleheads

Is she a criminal politician - Sure
Is she a top notch liar - Sure

Is she any different than the rest of these worthless sacks of sh!t - Nope, she's just better at "The Game"
You've got to snuggle up to Wall Street to get elected
You've got to snuggle up to the FED
You've got to Snuggle up to the Largest of the LOBBY Jet-Set
She can run circles around the rest of these clowns in the Political game



Will I vote for her - Nope
Do I wish our system produced better options - YES

[AZGrizFan]

Huh? How is the Republican party not relevant? They have the majority in both houses of Congress and hold more than 3/5 of the governor's mansions. The only thing they don't have is the Presidency. Democrats crowing about how the Republican party is "a ...laughingstock" and "...blows away like dust..." are ignoring the truth on the ground - the Republicans are winning more state elections and more national elections than the Democrats are. I'm an independent, but it's clear that the Dems are closing their eyes to reality if they think they can just walk into any election, call Republicans the party of bigots (even if it's true), and coast to victory.

And be careful what you wish for - if we did go to a Parliamentary form of government (ironic that a Democrat like yourself is advocating that, party founders like Madison and Jefferson would be rolling over in their graves to hear you back what was basically Hamilton's idea at the founding) it would just give more power to the Republicans since they hold majority status in both houses of Congress despite no longer being relevant.

In the sense that they have nothing to offer except an Implacable Opposition to Anything the President Supports. And more free rides for billionaires and mega-corporations on the backs of what is left of the middle class.

You just described the Democratic Party from 2000-2008.

[Baldy]

In the sense that they have nothing to offer except an Implacable Opposition to Anything the President Supports. And more free rides for billionaires and mega-corporations on the backs of what is left of the middle class.

And yet they keep getting elected time and time again, enough that they control both houses of Congress and a historically large number of governorships. And it's not just billionaires and mega corporations voting for them, it's the same middle class that you say doesn't exist anymore. Again, if we moved to a Parliamentary system, like you want, that would eliminate the only thing that Democrats are currently still winning, and that being the Executive branch.

getoffmylawndawg makes me laugh.





I agree with CID that the Hildabeast isn't going to flame out, but my God even the Donks hate her. Half of the people who will actually vote for her don't think she's trustworthy. She doesn't inspire anyone. Aside from single women who only vote with their vagina, people will have to be dragged kicking and screaming to go vote for her. Obama only won because social conservatives stayed home and the black vote. He was an inspiration and had the "it" factor that resonated. Sorry, but they aren't going to waste their time with Hillary.

The Donks have nobody but Hillary...a 68 year old grandma. Bernie Sanders? Martin OweMalley? Lincoln Chaffe?
The best candidate they have, Jim Webb, will get NO love. He's too much of a Conk for their lunatic fringe base.
Donks have been losing governorships left and right for years, and because of that there is nobody on the bench. Obama was a hail mary and they scored on the first possession of the game, but we're closing in on halftime and they are getting pounded. Identity politics has killed the Donks. They wanted their first black president, and screwed Hillary in the process. She would have beaten McCain in 2008 easily and then Obama could have waltzed right on in behind her. Now, it's Hillary or bust with nobody on deck.

[kalm]

hillary's campaign is not going to fizzle

she will be the nominee

then she will be president

let's face it, she could show up to the national convention draped in bloody baby seals carrying a swastika and yell "fvck all of you - just vote for me" and she would win

honestly - I dont know why she doesnt just come out and admit that she had a private server in order to spare her poor self and family from the vast right wing conspiracy

that would end the scandal right there in the eyes of the dorks that will vote for her anyway

All ^ true...
But here's the fascinating thing
Based on the last two presidents she's probably better for the job then both of those knuckleheads

Is she a criminal politician - Sure
Is she a top notch liar - Sure

Is she any different than the rest of these worthless sacks of sh!t - Nope, she's just better at "The Game"
You've got to snuggle up to Wall Street to get elected
You've got to snuggle up to the FED
You've got to Snuggle up to the Largest of the LOBBY Jet-Set
She can run circles around the rest of these clowns in the Political game



Will I vote for her - Nope
Do I wish our system produced better options - YES

If you were hiring for the position based on experience she'd be the obvious choice.

[Chizzang]

All ^ true...
But here's the fascinating thing
Based on the last two presidents she's probably better for the job then both of those knuckleheads

Is she a criminal politician - Sure
Is she a top notch liar - Sure

Is she any different than the rest of these worthless sacks of sh!t - Nope, she's just better at "The Game"
You've got to snuggle up to Wall Street to get elected
You've got to snuggle up to the FED
You've got to Snuggle up to the Largest of the LOBBY Jet-Set
She can run circles around the rest of these clowns in the Political game



Will I vote for her - Nope
Do I wish our system produced better options - YES

If you were hiring for the position based on experience she'd be the obvious choice.

Probably ^ true...
and Baldy's old man rant above shows the absolute distaste the Right has for her
and that distaste is partly hilarious and entirely predictable

In this election the Republicans have run into their worst nightmare
The female Democratic frankenstein version of Dick Cheney and John Ashcroft and Tom
Ridge all rolled into one corrupt insider politician

She's like their dream come true - except on the wrong side of the isle...

[travelinman67]

If you were hiring for the position based on experience she'd be the obvious choice.

Probably ^ true...
and Baldy's old man rant above shows the absolute distaste the Right has for her
and that distaste is partly hilarious and entirely predictable...

Hilarious?

Do you actually think before you write?

[Baldy]

Probably ^ true...
and Baldy's old man rant above shows the absolute distaste the Right has for her
and that distaste is partly hilarious and entirely predictable

In this election the Republicans have run into their worst nightmare
The female Democratic frankenstein version of Dick Cheney and John Ashcroft and Tom
Ridge all rolled into one corrupt insider politician

She's like their dream come true - except on the wrong side of the isle...

It's not just the Right, Clitzorus.

Hillary Clinton has never been more unpopular

Bad news for Hillary Clinton: While she holds a massive lead over Bernie Sanders, with 55 percent of Democratic voters saying they'd pick her in the primaries, compared to just 17 percent for the Vermont socialist, Clinton is only viewed favorably by a mere 40 percent of those polled by Quinnipiac University. Fifty-one percent view her unfavorably. That's Clinton's worst rating in the history of Quinnipiac's poll. Cue the Beltway critics:

As I said, nobody likes her. If they don't like you, they ain't gonna waste their time and vote for you.

[CID1990]

All ^ true...
But here's the fascinating thing
Based on the last two presidents she's probably better for the job then both of those knuckleheads

Is she a criminal politician - Sure
Is she a top notch liar - Sure

Is she any different than the rest of these worthless sacks of sh!t - Nope, she's just better at "The Game"
You've got to snuggle up to Wall Street to get elected
You've got to snuggle up to the FED
You've got to Snuggle up to the Largest of the LOBBY Jet-Set
She can run circles around the rest of these clowns in the Political game



Will I vote for her - Nope
Do I wish our system produced better options - YES

If you were hiring for the position based on experience she'd be the obvious choice.

well, i dont know about that

first lady

senator briefly

ineffectual (and rapidly moving towards incompetent) secstate

that's it

If we were voting on experience, Jim Webb beats all comers, hands down, GOP or Dem

[Chizzang]

Probably ^ true...
and Baldy's old man rant above shows the absolute distaste the Right has for her
and that distaste is partly hilarious and entirely predictable

In this election the Republicans have run into their worst nightmare
The female Democratic frankenstein version of Dick Cheney and John Ashcroft and Tom
Ridge all rolled into one corrupt insider politician

She's like their dream come true - except on the wrong side of the isle...

It's not just the Right, Clitzorus.

Hillary Clinton has never been more unpopular

Bad news for Hillary Clinton: While she holds a massive lead over Bernie Sanders, with 55 percent of Democratic voters saying they'd pick her in the primaries, compared to just 17 percent for the Vermont socialist, Clinton is only viewed favorably by a mere 40 percent of those polled by Quinnipiac University. Fifty-one percent view her unfavorably. That's Clinton's worst rating in the history of Quinnipiac's poll. Cue the Beltway critics:

As I said, nobody likes her. If they don't like you, they ain't gonna waste their time and vote for you.

Please include me among those who do not like her...
But my "feelings" are rarely seen as an important element in the outcome of pretty much anything



I got two words for you guys: Jill Stein

[dbackjon]

I, for one, will welcome my new HIll-bot overlords.

[kalm]

I, for one, will welcome my new HIll-bot overlords.

Turn in your liberal card.

[Baldy]

I, for one, will welcome my new HIll-bot overlords.

Turn in your liberal card.

You know as good as I that jon would blow Barack (or Michelle) if given the chance. So why not The Hildabeast?

[Skjellyfetti]

You know as good as I that jon would blow Barack (or Michelle) if given the chance. So why not The Hildabeast?

Is English your first language?

[houndawg]

They all get elected time and again, that's a huge part of the problem. Serving in Congress should be like jury duty.

That would make sense if the GOP always had majority status in both houses, but those are only recent gains, along with the many governor's races they won. All that winning and moving from minority to majority status in those areas flies in the face of your point that the GOP is no longer relevant. While you're saying they no longer matter politically and are falling apart as a party, they are winning everywhere.

lost Obamacare.... lost Iran...lost women....lost latinos....lost the popular vote in five of the last six elections, six of the last seven counting '16 . I think I'm on solid ground here, gf, the country is becoming less white, less rural, and less evangelical. I'd sure hate to be JSO for the next few decades....

[houndawg]

And yet they keep getting elected time and time again, enough that they control both houses of Congress and a historically large number of governorships. And it's not just billionaires and mega corporations voting for them, it's the same middle class that you say doesn't exist anymore. Again, if we moved to a Parliamentary system, like you want, that would eliminate the only thing that Democrats are currently still winning, and that being the Executive branch.

getoffmylawndawg makes me laugh.





I agree with CID that the Hildabeast isn't going to flame out, but my God even the Donks hate her. Half of the people who will actually vote for her don't think she's trustworthy. She doesn't inspire anyone. Aside from single women who only vote with their vagina, people will have to be dragged kicking and screaming to go vote for her. Obama only won because social conservatives stayed home and the black vote. He was an inspiration and had the "it" factor that resonated. Sorry, but they aren't going to waste their time with Hillary.

The Donks have nobody but Hillary...a 68 year old grandma. Bernie Sanders? Martin OweMalley? Lincoln Chaffe?
The best candidate they have, Jim Webb, will get NO love. He's too much of a Conk for their lunatic fringe base.
Donks have been losing governorships left and right for years, and because of that there is nobody on the bench. Obama was a hail mary and they scored on the first possession of the game, but we're closing in on halftime and they are getting pounded. Identity politics has killed the Donks. They wanted their first black president, and screwed Hillary in the process. She would have beaten McCain in 2008 easily and then Obama could have waltzed right on in behind her. Now, it's Hillary or bust with nobody on deck.

You're reinforcing my point about conk irrelevancy, Ballsack: nobody likes Hillary but she will wipe her political ass with whichever feeble excuse for a candidate the conks manage to excrete during the primary..Chiz is exactly right - if Hillary were a conk, every pair of republican trousers in the nation would be permanently stained by semen.

[GannonFan]

That would make sense if the GOP always had majority status in both houses, but those are only recent gains, along with the many governor's races they won. All that winning and moving from minority to majority status in those areas flies in the face of your point that the GOP is no longer relevant. While you're saying they no longer matter politically and are falling apart as a party, they are winning everywhere.

lost Obamacare.... lost Iran...lost women....lost latinos....lost the popular vote in five of the last six elections, six of the last seven counting '16 . I think I'm on solid ground here, gf, the country is becoming less white, less rural, and less evangelical. I'd sure hate to be JSO for the next few decades....

So tell me why, then, the GOP has picked up seats in the House of Representatives and turned a Democratic majority into a GOP majority? How have they taken a Democratic majority in the Senate and turned that into a GOP majority? How have the GOP won 31 of the 50 governor seats? How does the GOP have control of 31 of the state Senates and 33 of the state House of Reps? What solid ground are you on? You are saying the GOP is no longer a viable party and yet they have sweeping control of the Federal Legislative branch, and they dominate about 3/5 of all state governments. None of that was supposed to be possible in this day and age but apparently the GOP is doing remarkably well for a party with no relevance.

[houndawg]

lost Obamacare.... lost Iran...lost women....lost latinos....lost the popular vote in five of the last six elections, six of the last seven counting '16 . I think I'm on solid ground here, gf, the country is becoming less white, less rural, and less evangelical. I'd sure hate to be JSO for the next few decades....

So tell me why, then, the GOP has picked up seats in the House of Representatives and turned a Democratic majority into a GOP majority? How have they taken a Democratic majority in the Senate and turned that into a GOP majority? How have the GOP won 31 of the 50 governor seats? How does the GOP have control of 31 of the state Senates and 33 of the state House of Reps? What solid ground are you on? You are saying the GOP is no longer a viable party and yet they have sweeping control of the Federal Legislative branch, and they dominate about 3/5 of all state governments. None of that was supposed to be possible in this day and age but apparently the GOP is doing remarkably well for a party with no relevance.

If that were true they wouldn't be offering a slate of circus midgets as candidates for the highest office.

Its pretty clear that they're happy with the role they have - bleating about problems they have no solutions for other than lower taxes for billionaires and giant corporations. Their act is running out of gas.

[GannonFan]

So tell me why, then, the GOP has picked up seats in the House of Representatives and turned a Democratic majority into a GOP majority? How have they taken a Democratic majority in the Senate and turned that into a GOP majority? How have the GOP won 31 of the 50 governor seats? How does the GOP have control of 31 of the state Senates and 33 of the state House of Reps? What solid ground are you on? You are saying the GOP is no longer a viable party and yet they have sweeping control of the Federal Legislative branch, and they dominate about 3/5 of all state governments. None of that was supposed to be possible in this day and age but apparently the GOP is doing remarkably well for a party with no relevance.

If that were true they wouldn't be offering a slate of circus midgets as candidates for the highest office.

It's true simply because it is true. I give you facts, you give me platitudes. While you're joyously proclaiming the death of a political party, that same political party has gone about and dominated every level of government, with the lone exception being the Presidency. The Democrats like to look to the future and say the electorate is in the favor, probably because they don't want to look at the present where, with the exception of the Presidency, they are the party that is regressing at all other levels.

Its pretty clear that they're happy with the role they have - bleating about problems they have no solutions for other than lower taxes for billionaires and giant corporations. Their act is running out of gas.

It's not like there's any real ideas coming out of the Democratic side of things either. Their modus is to simply blame the billionaires and giant corporations for all that ails us, as evidenced by your parroting of their speaking points. Neither party is strong on ideas at this point in time.

[Chizzang]

So you're saying they have the Congress...

[CID1990]

getoffmylawndawg makes me laugh.





I agree with CID that the Hildabeast isn't going to flame out, but my God even the Donks hate her. Half of the people who will actually vote for her don't think she's trustworthy. She doesn't inspire anyone. Aside from single women who only vote with their vagina, people will have to be dragged kicking and screaming to go vote for her. Obama only won because social conservatives stayed home and the black vote. He was an inspiration and had the "it" factor that resonated. Sorry, but they aren't going to waste their time with Hillary.

The Donks have nobody but Hillary...a 68 year old grandma. Bernie Sanders? Martin OweMalley? Lincoln Chaffe?
The best candidate they have, Jim Webb, will get NO love. He's too much of a Conk for their lunatic fringe base.
Donks have been losing governorships left and right for years, and because of that there is nobody on the bench. Obama was a hail mary and they scored on the first possession of the game, but we're closing in on halftime and they are getting pounded. Identity politics has killed the Donks. They wanted their first black president, and screwed Hillary in the process. She would have beaten McCain in 2008 easily and then Obama could have waltzed right on in behind her. Now, it's Hillary or bust with nobody on deck.

You're reinforcing my point about conk irrelevancy, Ballsack: nobody likes Hillary but she will wipe her political ass with whichever feeble excuse for a candidate the conks manage to excrete during the primary..Chiz is exactly right - if Hillary were a conk, every pair of republican trousers in the nation would be permanently stained by semen.

have you ever had an original thought on this board, or have clitz and D always done the heavy lifting for you?

[houndawg]

You're reinforcing my point about conk irrelevancy, Ballsack: nobody likes Hillary but she will wipe her political ass with whichever feeble excuse for a candidate the conks manage to excrete during the primary..Chiz is exactly right - if Hillary were a conk, every pair of republican trousers in the nation would be permanently stained by semen.

have you ever had an original thought on this board, or have clitz and D always done the heavy lifting for you?

..this from our textbook moderate who has seen and done all there is to see and do....

[GannonFan]

So you're saying they have the Congress...

When job approval equals election results then your graph will be relevant. Holding your breath would not be wise, however.

Oh, and they have strangleholds on most state governments (legislatures and executives) as well. So yeah, just those few things.

[houndawg]

If that were true they wouldn't be offering a slate of circus midgets as candidates for the highest office.

It's true simply because it is true. I give you facts, you give me platitudes. While you're joyously proclaiming the death of a political party, that same political party has gone about and dominated every level of government, with the lone exception being the Presidency. The Democrats like to look to the future and say the electorate is in the favor, probably because they don't want to look at the present where, with the exception of the Presidency, they are the party that is regressing at all other levels.

Its pretty clear that they're happy with the role they have - bleating about problems they have no solutions for other than lower taxes for billionaires and giant corporations. Their act is running out of gas.

It's not like there's any real ideas coming out of the Democratic side of things either. Their modus is to simply blame the billionaires and giant corporations for all that ails us, as evidenced by your parroting of their speaking points. Neither party is strong on ideas at this point in time.

lost Obama care, lost womens vote, lost latino vote. Fact.

lost the popular vote in five of the last six elections. Fact.

Where is this majority that all these governors and congressholes represent? Note at the voting booth evidently.

[Chizzang]

So you're saying they have the Congress...

When job approval equals election results then your graph will be relevant. Holding your breath would not be wise, however.

Oh, and they have strangleholds on most state governments (legislatures and executives) as well. So yeah, just those few things.

I think Republicans have control of the state governments that reflect their core tenets
I don't see things nearly as lopsided as is being reflected on either side of this debate

I guess if Republicans gained control of Washington State and Oregon and Vermont
Then I'd have to start shifting my perspective to match one of these debates here

[GannonFan]

It's true simply because it is true. I give you facts, you give me platitudes. While you're joyously proclaiming the death of a political party, that same political party has gone about and dominated every level of government, with the lone exception being the Presidency. The Democrats like to look to the future and say the electorate is in the favor, probably because they don't want to look at the present where, with the exception of the Presidency, they are the party that is regressing at all other levels.



It's not like there's any real ideas coming out of the Democratic side of things either. Their modus is to simply blame the billionaires and giant corporations for all that ails us, as evidenced by your parroting of their speaking points. Neither party is strong on ideas at this point in time.

lost Obama care, lost womens vote, lost latino vote. Fact.

lost the popular vote in five of the last six elections. Fact.

Where is this majority that all these governors and congressholes represent? Note at the voting booth evidently.

Where do you think governors and state legislatures and the federal Congress come from? Elections. How are the GOP winning, and at such wide margins (again 31 out of 50 governors, 33 out of 50 state senates, 34 out of 50 state houses of reps, 245 out of 435 in the House, 54 out of 100 in the Senate) and how are they taking control away from Dems (as was done in Congress) if they are failing at the election polls? The answer is, the Dems are winning the Presidential elections (and just the election of the President in those), and nothing else. The problem for the Dems, is, that the nothing else represents the lionshare of the government in the US these days.