Zimbabwe: Minnesota Dentist Being Sought For Lion Poaching

[grizzaholic]

SIDE NOTE: For the folks that are disagreeing with MR. BHbillik

You might want to just be quiet now. Once he gets too far behind in an argument he will start wishing school shootings on your families/towns. I cannot believe he hasn't played that card yet, but it cannot be too far off.

Spoiler: show

If you want an example....

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Oh someone wants to tell me what to do, wah wah wah.

Cry me a river douchebags. You can't debate the facts so you just go off.

Predictable.

I'd say have a Merry Christmas but that would imply I give a ****. Here's to the next shooting in your town since god forbid you want to do anything less than turn America into an armed camp.

I'll be telling my grandkids one day, I remember you could walk around the block & not see every other person packing.

Bite me.

Now that you have wished this tragedy on others TWICE I give you this.

[JohnStOnge]

It sounds like you're just scratching the surface on how dumb iron age religions sound to a logical person...

When you talk about religion you're usually talking about people contemplating their own mortality. They're going to die. They're thinking about that. They're wondering about whether they are going to live on after they die in a physical sense. That sort of thing.

It's a lot more understandable to see people caring about that sort of thing than it is to see them giving a shit about a friggin' Lion in Africa getting killed by a Dentist.

I don't know how we got to the point in this culture where people imprint on animals of other species and get all emotional about what happens and doesn't happen to them. But it's a pathology. It's out of control.

[Ibanez]

Either way its just a lion..............it doesnt even have a hashtag like #blacklivesmatter

Touché.

[Chizzang]

It sounds like you're just scratching the surface on how dumb iron age religions sound to a logical person...

When you talk about religion you're usually talking about people contemplating their own mortality. They're going to die. They're thinking about that. They're wondering about whether they are going to live on after they die in a physical sense. That sort of thing.

It's a lot more understandable to see people caring about that sort of thing than it is to see them giving a shit about a friggin' Lion in Africa getting killed by a Dentist.

I don't know how we got to the point in this culture where people imprint on animals of other species and get all emotional about what happens and doesn't happen to them. But it's a pathology. It's out of control.

Ya...
being afraid to die and all that - I get it - I know what religion is John
But I'm talking about Iron age mythology - which is ridiculous by any intellectual standard today
We don't think Iron age science is particularly astute
but we're somehow certain that its insights into the nature of the universe are spot on

John,
I'm going to stick with my original assessment

Which is: Now these Religious apologists know just how stupid they look
in the light of every day common sense
Kinda like the crazy lion people

[CID1990]

When you talk about religion you're usually talking about people contemplating their own mortality. They're going to die. They're thinking about that. They're wondering about whether they are going to live on after they die in a physical sense. That sort of thing.

It's a lot more understandable to see people caring about that sort of thing than it is to see them giving a **** about a friggin' Lion in Africa getting killed by a Dentist.

I don't know how we got to the point in this culture where people imprint on animals of other species and get all emotional about what happens and doesn't happen to them. But it's a pathology. It's out of control.

Ya...
being afraid to die and all that - I get it - I know what religion is John
But I'm talking about Iron age mythology - which is ridiculous by any intellectual standard today
We don't think Iron age science is particularly astute
but we're somehow certain that its insights into the nature of the universe are spot on

John,
I'm going to stick with my original assessment

Which is: Now these Religious apologists know just how stupid they look
in the light of every day common sense
Kinda like the crazy lion people

you make less sense every day clitz

tenuous analogies are Klean's forte (actually his are nonsequiturs)

have you taken up pot? you sound like you're smoking pot

btw I thought christianity was more of a bronze age thing

[Chizzang]

Ya...
being afraid to die and all that - I get it - I know what religion is John
But I'm talking about Iron age mythology - which is ridiculous by any intellectual standard today
We don't think Iron age science is particularly astute
but we're somehow certain that its insights into the nature of the universe are spot on

John,
I'm going to stick with my original assessment

Which is: Now these Religious apologists know just how stupid they look
in the light of every day common sense
Kinda like the crazy lion people

you make less sense every day clitz

tenuous analogies are Klean's forte (actually his are nonsequiturs)

have you taken up pot? you sound like you're smoking pot

btw I thought christianity was more of a bronze age thing

CID when a few of the largest Christian apologists logs on to this forum to point out how dumb the angry lion people are - you know - because they're so illogical and all that... something has to be said

You can't claim these Lion people are just nutty in one breath
and then defend somebody who thinks god hates fags or Jesus cares about marriage rights

You're not allowed to stand on logic as a foundation for cognitive thought
and then completely dismiss it on the next thread because Jesus



I know these are your voting partners so you'll play dumb along with them
But a man either strives to be logical - or - he does not concern himself with logic
But to turn it on again and off again is "insane" like actually crazy

Go here for help: https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

[ALPHAGRIZ1]

If only more people could be smart like you.........

[bluehenbillk]

Well now the case has officially become political as it will go to Obama to make a decision on whether to extradite the guy.

Personally I don't see him going to Zimbabwe. I think he'll run or kill himself.

[Ivytalk]

So now the #2 lion is going to kill all of Cecil's cubs to start a new bloodline. Now that really sucks.

[houndawg]

Well now the case has officially become political as it will go to Obama to make a decision on whether to extradite the guy.

Personally I don't see him going to Zimbabwe. I think he'll run or kill himself.

Don't we still have bases in that part of Africa in case we need any torturing done? Hell, we're paying for them anyway...

[ALPHAGRIZ1]

If Obama sends this guy to Zimbabwe for killing a lion......................

[Chizzang]

If only more people could be smart like you.........

basic logical thought is not smart... its honest
and turning it on and off to suit your "feelings" is dishonest

Here is a truth for you:
To be consistently logical is to be honest

[grizzaholic]

So BHbillik. Instead of sending me drivil in my PM box, just post it here instead of hiding your posts blaming responsible people for the few.

Putting you on ignore was the best thing I ever did on this site.

[CID1990]

you make less sense every day clitz

tenuous analogies are Klean's forte (actually his are nonsequiturs)

have you taken up pot? you sound like you're smoking pot

btw I thought christianity was more of a bronze age thing

CID when a few of the largest Christian apologists logs on to this forum to point out how dumb the angry lion people are - you know - because they're so illogical and all that... something has to be said

You can't claim these Lion people are just nutty in one breath
and then defend somebody who thinks god hates fags or Jesus cares about marriage rights

You're not allowed to stand on logic as a foundation for cognitive thought
and then completely dismiss it on the next thread because Jesus



I know these are your voting partners so you'll play dumb along with them
But a man either strives to be logical - or - he does not concern himself with logic
But to turn it on again and off again is "insane" like actually crazy

Go here for help: https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

hold on there, buster

I might agree with you - but you need to stop making a lazy observation (which is what this is)

all you have done here is essentially call out a christian for having a rational frustration over the response to the lion thing and equate that to your own frustration over christian faith

the two may be related

but right now youre still in nonsequitur territory (you can read about it in your link)

maybe you should just say "yeah the lion thing is silly but so is organized religion" and save yourself the time

[Chizzang]

CID when a few of the largest Christian apologists logs on to this forum to point out how dumb the angry lion people are - you know - because they're so illogical and all that... something has to be said

You can't claim these Lion people are just nutty in one breath
and then defend somebody who thinks god hates fags or Jesus cares about marriage rights

You're not allowed to stand on logic as a foundation for cognitive thought
and then completely dismiss it on the next thread because Jesus



I know these are your voting partners so you'll play dumb along with them
But a man either strives to be logical - or - he does not concern himself with logic
But to turn it on again and off again is "insane" like actually crazy

Go here for help: https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

hold on there, buster

I might agree with you - but you need to stop making a lazy observation (which is what this is)

all you have done here is essentially call out a christian for having a rational frustration over the response to the lion thing and equate that to your own frustration over christian faith

the two may be related

but right now youre still in nonsequitur territory (you can read about it in your link)

maybe you should just say "yeah the lion thing is silly but so is organized religion" and save yourself the time

Sure
But it's lobbed out there as a key feature of "crazy stupid liberals" and their shaky grasp on logic
Which is probably legit coming from somebody who consistently exercised the use of logic

But coming from the clown car where it resided is worth note

[Gil Dobie]

He was arrested for poaching as what I have heard today. Still have not found a clear source for the reason, but they vary from not having the proper license to his company having already shot their limit. None of the sources have said the lion was protected off the reserve.

This explains it fairly clearly.

The lion was lured out of the National Park - but, the private land where the lion was shot did not have permit or quota for lion hunting.

Theo Bronkhorst, who was working with Bushman Safaris, was charged by Victoria Falls police on Monday for allegedly killing the collared lion on Antionette farm in Gwayi Conservancy in the Hwange district, the Zimbabwe Parks and Wildlife Management Authority said.

The land owner, Honest Trymore Ndlovu, is also facing charges.

“Ongoing investigations to date, suggest that the killing of the lion was illegal since the land owner was not allocated a lion on his hunting quota for 2015,” the Parks and Wildlife Management Authority said in a statement.

Lion Aid explains that it is legal to bait lions in Zimbabwe, to shoot them with a bow and arrow from a blind, to kill them outside a national park in a private hunting area and to kill collared lions.

“But Cecil was shot in an area not assigned a lion quota. Supposedly the bait was set for a leopard and then Cecil came along. The professional hunter, Theo Bronkhorst told his client to shoot the lion, and then the hunt became illegal,” Lion Aid says. “The professional hunter then allegedly attempted to destroy the radiocollar to hide the evidence. Allegedly the client was “furious” when he found that the lion was radiocollared. Allegedly, when a professional hunter engages a client in an area without lion quota, the lion will be listed as hunted in an area that does have quota. This could have been standard practice, but unfortunately Cecil was a well-known lion.”

Bronkhorst and Ndlovu appeared in court on Wednesday, and authorities are trying to find another professional hunter, Zane Bronkhorst, who is also believed to have been involved in the hunt.

“Zimbabwe Parks and Wildlife Management as the Regulatory Authority and custodian of all wild animals in Zimbabwe issues hunting permits and hunting quota for all hunting areas in Zimbabwe so that only animals on quota are to be hunted. In this case, both the professional hunter and land owner had no permit or quota to justify the offtake of the lion and therefore are liable for the illegal hunt,” the agency said.

The lion trophy has been confiscated, the management agency said in the statement.

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Here's the statement from the Zimbabwe officials:
http://www.zimparks.org/index.php/mc/21 ... is-profess" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Just as I stated, the lion was not shot in the National Park. This article still says crossbow, I am under the suspicion most of the writers don't know the difference between a crossbow and a compound bow.

.......and I don't support the way this lion was taken, by drawing him out of the park with bait. Too much like fishing for me.

[ALPHAGRIZ1]

The media knows nothing about weapons of any kind other than they are bad a scary......I already said that earlier. Ignorant dons can say whatever they want, whenever they want with little to no consequences.

[houndawg]

This explains it fairly clearly.

The lion was lured out of the National Park - but, the private land where the lion was shot did not have permit or quota for lion hunting.




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Here's the statement from the Zimbabwe officials:
http://www.zimparks.org/index.php/mc/21 ... is-profess" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Just as I stated, the lion was not shot in the National Park. This article still says crossbow, I am under the suspicion most of the writers don't know the difference between a crossbow and a compound bow.

.......and I don't support the way this lion was taken, by drawing him out of the park with bait. Too much like fishing for me.

Yeah! Make it about the bow, Dil!

[travelinman67]

Muthafucka...

[GannonFan]

So BHbillik. Instead of sending me drivil in my PM box, just post it here instead of hiding your posts blaming responsible people for the few.

Putting you on ignore was the best thing I ever did on this site.

Wait, you have him on ignore, but you want him to post stuff he says to you here so you and everyone can see it? Doesn't that kinda go against the whole idea of having him on ignore in the first place?

[CID1990]

hold on there, buster

I might agree with you - but you need to stop making a lazy observation (which is what this is)

all you have done here is essentially call out a christian for having a rational frustration over the response to the lion thing and equate that to your own frustration over christian faith

the two may be related

but right now youre still in nonsequitur territory (you can read about it in your link)

maybe you should just say "yeah the lion thing is silly but so is organized religion" and save yourself the time

Sure
But it's lobbed out there as a key feature of "crazy stupid liberals" and their shaky grasp on logic
Which is probably legit coming from somebody who consistently exercised the use of logic

But coming from the clown car where it resided is worth note

ok

I think you got sand in your crack just a couple threads back (put that to country music)

when I pointed out something that should be obvious to all

your intelligence was a bit insulted i think

[Chizzang]

Sure
But it's lobbed out there as a key feature of "crazy stupid liberals" and their shaky grasp on logic
Which is probably legit coming from somebody who consistently exercised the use of logic

But coming from the clown car where it resided is worth note

ok

I think you got sand in your crack just a couple threads back (put that to country music)

when I pointed out something that should be obvious to all

your intelligence was a bit insulted i think

When thoughtful logical posters post something I disagree with or don't understand
I'm pretty easy to work with

When illogical all over the map posters start calling the kettle black
I kinda feel the need to set that back a notch

If anything this forum should serve (for all of us)
as a way of tracking our own personal inconsistencies and logical fallacies



I've tightened up a fair share of my own philosophical bullsh!t
based entirely on the interactions on this forum

[grizzaholic]

So BHbillik. Instead of sending me drivil in my PM box, just post it here instead of hiding your posts blaming responsible people for the few.

Putting you on ignore was the best thing I ever did on this site.

Wait, you have him on ignore, but you want him to post stuff he says to you here so you and everyone can see it? Doesn't that kinda go against the whole idea of having him on ignore in the first place?

I just don't want him filling up my inbox with his shit.

[ALPHAGRIZ1]

[dbackjon]

Maybe if they changed the name of their mascot to Cecil people would care about them.