Glenn Beck.....it boggles my mind

[youngterrier]

Additionally, I give the benefit of th e doubt more than you do. I attack Beck for being crazy but i dont deny he wants to help people. your rhetoric implies that you think all that disagree with you are evil or out to harm you in some way (which is what is wrong with today's political world, everyone thinks everyone is out to get each other)

Not only do I give the benefit of the doubt more often, YT, I also more readily admit a mistake, recognize an alternative point of view, and demonstrate a willingness to learn something new and change my mind.

Got math? Since there are only about 20% of the posters on this board who agree with me most of the time, and at least 70% with whom I enjoy a relationship of mutual respect on this board, there is a long, long list of those who disagree with me whom I do not consider to be evil or out to get me.

However, it is certainly true that I take redistributionist schemes personally. The harm to me personally and to the nation and our posterity is clear and measurable. What is unfortunately not clear to young idealists and ideologues is the harm such left wing schemes do to the very people they are intended to assist.

It is also quite clear that I have little regard for critics with grandiose schemes who have never actually accomplished anything.

that remains to be seen, and clearly BS, and if you're implying that I dont understand other people's viewpoint you need to remove the log out of your own eye SEEING AS I JUST DEFENDED SOMEONE I DON'T EVEN AGREE WITH...I havent seen you do as much

[native]

Janet Napolitano's attack on people like me in her 2009 National Security Report was chillingly real and a personal betrayal.

That report wasn't about people like you.

It was about people like the guy that shot up the holocaust museum, the guy that crashed his plane into the IRS building, and the guy that blew up the Fed building in OK City.

Your paranoia is showing again.

Paranoia? The report was a direct and personal insult to every veteran member of my federally chartered gun club and millions of veterans nationwide including the President of the American Legion. Returning vets and libertarians who have committed no crimes were lumped into the same threat category as nut cases like Mcveigh, Brun and Stack.

It is ironic that the vets who have risked and sacrificed their lives for their country are singled out, while criminal illegal aliens, who average 12 murders per day, are never mentioned. And yes, the issue of criminal illegal aliens is important, because in addition to the attacks on veterans, the report also attacked mainstream and Constitutionally protected libertarian points of view, including those like me with a concern for illegal immigration who have never harmed anyone and in my case have tutored English as a Second Language to immigrants for free:

"...those that are mainly antigovernment, rejecting federal authority in favor of state or local authority, or rejecting government authority entirely. It may include groups and individuals that are dedicated to a single issue, such as opposition to abortion or immigration...."

The embarrassing report was a transparent attack on perceived political opponents of the Obama administration's policies, for which Napolitano was forced to apologize.

I will give this to Van Jones: Unlike the majority of posers on this board he has at least demonstrated the courage of his convictions by living out his own values. Unfortunately he is still a dammed communist.

[youngterrier]

That report wasn't about people like you.

It was about people like the guy that shot up the holocaust museum, the guy that crashed his plane into the IRS building, and the guy that blew up the Fed building in OK City.

Your paranoia is showing again.

I will give this to Van Jones: Unlike the majority of posers on this board he has at least demonstrated the courage of his convictions by living out his own values. Unfortunately he is still a dammed communist.

because you know him SO WELL
way to give him the benefit of the doubt

[native]

I will give this to Van Jones: Unlike the majority of posers on this board he has at least demonstrated the courage of his convictions by living out his own values. Unfortunately he is still a dammed communist.

because you know him SO WELL
way to give him the benefit of the doubt

Because of his own words.

[youngterrier]

because you know him SO WELL
way to give him the benefit of the doubt

Because of his own words.

his more recent words suggest the opposite, you just want to be nitpick the words that make the massive conspiracy Glenn Beck put before your eyes make sense

[native]

Because of his own words.

his more recent words suggest the opposite, you just want to be nitpick the words that make the massive conspiracy Glenn Beck put before your eyes make sense

I have reviewed the links where Jones condemns himself with his own words and actions, but I could not find the links you provided that he actually repudiated his communism. Did I miss something, YT, or do you just think that you heard that someone said that Jones might have declared himself no longer a communist?

Mouthing support for mainstream-appearing tactics to achieve his ultimate communist ends is not a repudiation of his foundational beliefs. He is still a dammed communist.

[youngterrier]

his more recent words suggest the opposite, you just want to be nitpick the words that make the massive conspiracy Glenn Beck put before your eyes make sense

I have reviewed the links where Jones condemns himself with his own words and actions, but I could not find the links you provided that he actually repudiated his communism. Did I miss something, YT, or do you just think that you heard that someone said that Jones might have declared himself no longer a communist?

Mouthing support for mainstream-appearing tactics to achieve his ultimate communist ends is not a repudiation of his foundational beliefs. He is still a dammed communist.

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter ... communist/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

it's freaking hilarious that you think he has "communist ends" when he was the Green Jobs czar, an unelected official with NO power in lawmaking

you sound like some one from the classic witch hunter scenario with the "He's just saying that, he doesn't truly believe, my word is more believable than his" crap

[BDKJMU]

That report wasn't about people like you.

It was about people like the guy that shot up the holocaust museum, the guy that crashed his plane into the IRS building, and the guy that blew up the Fed building in OK City.

Your paranoia is showing again.

Paranoia? The report was a direct and personal insult to every veteran member of my federally chartered gun club and millions of veterans nationwide including the President of the American Legion. Returning vets and libertarians who have committed no crimes were lumped into the same threat category as nut cases like Mcveigh, Brun and Stack.

It is ironic that the vets who have risked and sacrificed their lives for their country are singled out, while criminal illegal aliens, who average 12 murders per day, are never mentioned. And yes, the issue of criminal illegal aliens is important, because in addition to the attacks on veterans, the report also attacked mainstream and Constitutionally protected libertarian points of view, including those like me with a concern for illegal immigration who have never harmed anyone and in my case have tutored English as a Second Language to immigrants for free:

"...those that are mainly antigovernment, rejecting federal authority in favor of state or local authority, or rejecting government authority entirely. It may include groups and individuals that are dedicated to a single issue, such as opposition to abortion or immigration...."

The embarrassing report was a transparent attack on perceived political opponents of the Obama administration's policies, for which Napolitano was forced to apologize.

I will give this to Van Jones: Unlike the majority of posers on this board he has at least demonstrated the courage of his convictions by living out his own values. Unfortunately he is still a dammed communist.

To add to that, you have Jelly defending a report that just about every conservative, moderate/independent, and even a lot of dems criticized, including the chairman of the House Homeland Security Committee and the liberal ACLU:
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/200 ... extremism/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

[native]

I have reviewed the links where Jones condemns himself with his own words and actions, but I could not find the links you provided that he actually repudiated his communism. Did I miss something, YT, or do you just think that you heard that someone said that Jones might have declared himself no longer a communist?

Mouthing support for mainstream-appearing tactics to achieve his ultimate communist ends is not a repudiation of his foundational beliefs. He is still a dammed communist.

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter ... communist/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

it's freaking hilarious that you think he has "communist ends" when he was the Green Jobs czar, an unelected official with NO power in lawmaking

you sound like either some one from the classic witch hunter scenario with the "He's just saying that, he doesn't truly believe, my word is more believable than his" crap

Thank you for proving my point, YT! The article you cited confirms that Jones was an avowed communist, confirms that his avowed changes have been "tactical," not foundational, and confirms that Jones has never actually disavowed his communism.

"...Not only did the left need to be more unified, he decided, it might also benefit from a fundamental shift in tactics. ..." A tactical shift is not a foundational change.

"...we could not find a comment in which Jones explicitly said why he is no longer..." a communist, or even that he ever said he was no longer a communist.

It's not hilarious at all. It's tragic.

[youngterrier]

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter ... communist/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

it's freaking hilarious that you think he has "communist ends" when he was the Green Jobs czar, an unelected official with NO power in lawmaking

you sound like either some one from the classic witch hunter scenario with the "He's just saying that, he doesn't truly believe, my word is more believable than his" crap

Thank you for proving my point, YT! The article you cited confirms that Jones was an avowed communist, confirms that his avowed changes have been "tactical," not foundational, and confirms that Jones has never actually disavowed his communism.

"...Not only did the left need to be more unified, he decided, it might also benefit from a fundamental shift in tactics. ..." A tactical shift is not a foundational change.

"...we could not find a comment in which Jones explicitly said why he is no longer..." a communist, or even that he ever said he was no longer a communist.

It's not hilarious at all. It's tragic.

and you completely ignored the part about him using capitalistic or social-capitalistic language in more recent times, hence why his views may have changed

it's official, you're a kool-aid drinking ideologue who only reads or hears what he wants to

[youngterrier]

and BTW it's hilarious that you think he can have an agenda in which he can "achieve his communist ends" when in fact he has no political or law making power he was the Special Advisor for Green Jobs, if he had a voice in overall economic policy I would be concerned but otherwise your tin-foil hat is too tight on your head

[native]

Thank you for proving my point, YT! The article you cited confirms that Jones was an avowed communist, confirms that his avowed changes have been "tactical," not foundational, and confirms that Jones has never actually disavowed his communism.

"...Not only did the left need to be more unified, he decided, it might also benefit from a fundamental shift in tactics. ..." A tactical shift is not a foundational change.

"...we could not find a comment in which Jones explicitly said why he is no longer..." a communist, or even that he ever said he was no longer a communist.

It's not hilarious at all. It's tragic.

and you completely ignored the part about him using capitalistic or social-capitalistic language in more recent times, hence why his views may have changed

it's official, you're a kool-aid drinking ideologue who only reads or hears what he wants to

Holy shit, pup! All sorts of evil doers - like Hitler - have used social-capital language. Now you are only proving Beck's point.

I did not ignore those passages, young pup. I pointed out that Jones himself was quoted as saying that the changes he were made to achieve tactical ends. Maybe the tactical changes are good enough for you, but not for me.

As you yourself confirm, "...his views may have changed..."

"May have" is good enough for you? Not for me.

Please rub a couple of synapses together. Why are you giving Jones the benefit of the doubt when he refuses to give himself the benefit of the doubt by denouncing communism?

[youngterrier]

and you completely ignored the part about him using capitalistic or social-capitalistic language in more recent times, hence why his views may have changed

it's official, you're a kool-aid drinking ideologue who only reads or hears what he wants to

Holy shit, pup! All sorts of evil doers - like Hitler - have used social-capital language. Now you are only proving Beck's point.

I did not ignore those passages, young pup. I pointed out that Jones himself was quoted as saying that the changes he were made to achieve tactical ends. Maybe the tactical changes are good enough for you, but not for me.

As you yourself confirm, "...his views may have changed..."

"May have" is good enough for you? Not for me.

Please rub a couple of synapses together. Why are you giving Jones the benefit of the doubt when he refuses to give himself the benefit of the doubt by denouncing communism?

Because his language indicates that he may have changed his position, he may have changed his position that is why he is given the benefit of the doubt by me. I haven't read anything that says he refuses to to denounce communism.

newsflash-everyday politicians use social-capitalist language and I wouldn't put them on the level of Hitler WHICH IS WHAT GLENN BECK DOES

[native]

Holy ****, pup! All sorts of evil doers - like Hitler - have used social-capital language. Now you are only proving Beck's point.

I did not ignore those passages, young pup. I pointed out that Jones himself was quoted as saying that the changes he were made to achieve tactical ends. Maybe the tactical changes are good enough for you, but not for me.

As you yourself confirm, "...his views may have changed..."

"May have" is good enough for you? Not for me.

Please rub a couple of synapses together. Why are you giving Jones the benefit of the doubt when he refuses to give himself the benefit of the doubt by denouncing communism?

Because his language indicates that he may have changed his position, he may have changed his position that is why he is given the benefit of the doubt by me. I haven't read anything that says he refuses to to denounce communism.

newsflash-everyday politicians use social-capitalist language and I wouldn't put them on the level of Hitler WHICH IS WHAT GLENN BECK DOES

And you have done your part to help Beck!

Your own reference "...could not find a comment in which Jones explicitly" denounced his communism. But that clearly is not the issue with you, is it, pup?

[youngterrier]

Because his language indicates that he may have changed his position, he may have changed his position that is why he is given the benefit of the doubt by me. I haven't read anything that says he refuses to to denounce communism.

newsflash-everyday politicians use social-capitalist language and I wouldn't put them on the level of Hitler WHICH IS WHAT GLENN BECK DOES

And you have done your part to help beck!

what?

[youngterrier]

Because his language indicates that he may have changed his position, he may have changed his position that is why he is given the benefit of the doubt by me. I haven't read anything that says he refuses to to denounce communism.

newsflash-everyday politicians use social-capitalist language and I wouldn't put them on the level of Hitler WHICH IS WHAT GLENN BECK DOES

And you have done your part to help Beck!

Your own reference "...could not find a comment in which Jones explicitly" denounced his communism. But that clearly is not the issue with you, is it, pup?

well I never said he did, I never said he wasn't a communist, but I did say his quotes resemble that of capitalism or social-capitalism which is why I give him the benefit of the doubt and I understand that people change their political positions

[youngterrier]

Glenn Beck is still crazy

[youngterrier]

Because his language indicates that he may have changed his position, he may have changed his position that is why he is given the benefit of the doubt by me. I haven't read anything that says he refuses to to denounce communism.

newsflash-everyday politicians use social-capitalist language and I wouldn't put them on the level of Hitler WHICH IS WHAT GLENN BECK DOES

And you have done your part to help Beck!

Your own reference "...could not find a comment in which Jones explicitly" denounced his communism. But that clearly is not the issue with you, is it, pup?

do you not read or is your old person memory getting the best of you? I acknowledged this on page 4

[native]

...well I never said he did, I never said he wasn't a communist ...

You never said that Jones said he wasn't a communist, pup?

From your earlier post on this same thread:

...the man said he wasn't a communist

[youngterrier]

...well I never said he did, I never said he wasn't a communist ...

You never said that Jones said he wasn't a communist, pup?

From your earlier post on this same thread:

...the man said he wasn't a communist

once again you selectively quoted me ;I said If I'm not mistaken (which I was) not that he did it for sure

to be fair I edited it a couple minutes ago before your posts to say capitalistic comments after noticing that I made an error

[youngterrier]

regardless of whether Jones is a communist, this thread has wondered beyond its original purpose in that Glenn Beck is crazy, which has not been debunked to this day

[native]

You never said that Jones said he wasn't a communist, pup?

From your earlier post on this same thread:

once again you selectively quoted me ;I said If I'm not mistaken (which I was) not that he did it for sure

to be fair I edited it a couple minutes ago before your posts to say capitalistic comments after noticing that I made an error

OK, OK... To be fair I am laughing my arse off and I am finally tired of this. Peace.

[youngterrier]

once again you selectively quoted me ;I said If I'm not mistaken (which I was) not that he did it for sure

to be fair I edited it a couple minutes ago before your posts to say capitalistic comments after noticing that I made an error

OK, OK... To be fair I am laughing my arse off and I am finally tired of this. Peace.

I won

[native]

OK, OK... To be fair I am laughing my arse off and I am finally tired of this. Peace.

I won

Humor always wins. Ask Mr. Blue Pants.

[youngterrier]

I won

Humor always wins. Ask Mr. Blue Pants.

I still don't feel like any of my assertions/examples of Glenn Beck's lack of substance being rebutted