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93henfan wrote:
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Did you come out well in the conversation? Especially using government computers designated for official taxpayer supported work. And please don't use my name. I am trying to maintain my anoymity.
The way it works is like this. I submit an RFP. I wait. I get a proposal back. I send it to the technical government leeches. I wait. They send me their comments. I negotiate or write a contract. I wait.

There's a lot of wait in there. That's when it's cs.com time, baby!
And how many times are you working weekends or at 10:00 at night? :x :x

Yeah...didn't think so. :kisswink:
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AZGrizFan wrote:
93henfan wrote:
The way it works is like this. I submit an RFP. I wait. I get a proposal back. I send it to the technical government leeches. I wait. They send me their comments. I negotiate or write a contract. I wait.

There's a lot of wait in there. That's when it's cs.com time, baby!
And how many times are you working weekends or at 10:00 at night? :x :x

Yeah...didn't think so. :kisswink:
All the time, son. All the time. I appreciate what the government pays me in salary and benefits and I give back willingly. I ask for comp time sometimes, but often just fire up the laptop on a weekend or late at night to get things done.

Your impression of the work ethic, again, is way off. I don't sit around complaining about working hard. I just do it. Lazy asses just wouldn't survive where I work.
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93henfan wrote:
AZGrizFan wrote:
And how many times are you working weekends or at 10:00 at night? :x :x

Yeah...didn't think so. :kisswink:
All the time, son. All the time. I appreciate what the government pays me in salary and benefits and I give back willingly. I ask for comp time sometimes, but often just fire up the laptop on a weekend or late at night to get things done.

Your impression of the work ethic, again, is way off. I don't sit around complaining about working hard. I just do it. Lazy asses just wouldn't survive where I work.
Novel concept. :lol: I'd need about 20-30 hours a week of it. :coffee:
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AZGrizFan wrote: Novel concept. :lol: I'd need about 20-30 hours a week of it. :coffee:
Not really, when your salary is already obnoxious. :coffee:
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93henfan wrote:
AZGrizFan wrote: Novel concept. :lol: I'd need about 20-30 hours a week of it. :coffee:
Not really, when your salary is already obnoxious. :coffee:
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93henfan wrote:
AZGrizFan wrote: Novel concept. :lol: I'd need about 20-30 hours a week of it. :coffee:
Not really, when your salary is already obnoxious. :coffee:
BTW, happy birthday you lazy fuck. Now get back to work. :coffee: :thumb: :kisswink:
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Hate to say it, but gotta side with Z on this one. Not a fan of government employees, especially federal. Our city employees are wonderful, but I don't see them working near as hard as I do.

93, I believe you are the exception.
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D1B wrote:Hate to say it, but gotta side with Z on this one. Not a fan of government employees, especially federal. Our city employees are wonderful, but I don't see them working near as hard as I do.

Coaster, I believe your are the exception.
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D1B wrote:Hate to say it, but gotta side with Z on this one. Not a fan of government employees, especially federal. Our city employees are wonderful, but I don't see them working near as hard as I do.

Coaster, I believe your are the exception.
I fully understand the feeling, D. It's the same one I get when I have to agree with houndawg on something. :ohno: :ohno: :ohno:

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Public Enemy No. 1: Civil Servants?

When you hear the phrase "cash for Democrat reelection program," what image does that conjure? An infamous Chicago ward heeler handing out $20 bills to poor people on their way to the polling station? Not if you're Rep. Michelle Bachmann (R-Minn.). What Bachmann was referring to when she uttered the phrase on Fox News (via The Washington Post's Greg Sargent) was actually the $26 billion that Congress passed to provide aid to the states earlier this week. The money is intended to allow cash-strapped state governments to lay off fewer workers, such as public-school teachers, police, and firefighters. Bachmann maintains that the money will be directed, via public-sector employee unions, to spending on Democratic candidates this fall.

If so, it is curious to see Republican governors, even the most fiscally conservative ones such as New Jersey's Chris Christie, accepting the federal aid. Indeed, most of them signed a letter asking for the Medicaid portion of it. Perhaps Bachmann thinks they are Manchurian candidates under a hypnotic spell from fiendish Democrats to undermine the Republican Party, with their whole careers up to this point being an elaborate ruse just to get enough power to really stick it to the GOP.

Republican governors, being stuck with the task of actually governing, are an outlier on the right when it comes to preventing teacher layoffs. Money for public schools facing budget cuts is currently viewed as such a self-evidently wasteful expenditure that what is most surprising about Bachmann's bizarre claim is that she felt the need to make it. Why was it insufficient for her to merely demonize the legislation for its stated purpose? Civil servants are being demonized on the right these days as if they were a cross between personal-injury lawyers, mainstream newspaper reporters, women's studies professors, and "activist judges." According to the new conventional wisdom it is greedy government employees who are to blame for our fiscal woes. As ABC reports, "passage Tuesday of a controversial bill sending billions of dollars to states to shore up payrolls for public school teachers further stoked the debate over whether government employees, their unions and their benefits packages are bankrupting the country."

Republicans in Congress, fiscal watchdog groups, and some locally elected officials are fretting that public-sector employees' benefits are unsustainably expensive. Fox News characterized the aid to states in an online news article as a "teacher union bailout." (Point of fact: a "bailout" is a government loan meant to stave off insolvency for a corporation. Teachers' unions are not at any risk of going bankrupt, and they are not receiving a direct cash infusion in the manner that, say, GM did. The money is being spent on retaining teachers so that public-school classrooms do not become egregiously overcrowded. One can reasonably believe that such an expenditure is unwise, but Fox's characterization of it is demonstrably false.)

On the more intellectually serious side, consider a recent New York Times business-section column that called the aforementioned debate a "class war." Times columnist Ron Lieber draws the battle lines thusly: "The haves are retirees who were once state or municipal workers ... The have-nots are taxpayers who don’t have generous pensions." Lieber neglects to mention that many of these so-called "have-nots" are professionals and businesspeople who often make considerably more than state or municipal workers, and he comes down strongly on the side of the "have-nots."

"The average retiree [in Colorado] in the fund stopped working at the sprightly age of 58 and deposits a check for $2,883 each month," Lieber writes. "Who wants to pay to top off someone else’s pile of money via increased income taxes or a radical decline in state services?"

Well, $2,883 per month is less than $36,000 per year, before taxes. That is somewhat less than the national median household income. And as Lieber acknowledges, the civil servants receiving it were often ineligible to participate in Social Security. So public health, safety, and education workers receive a pension that is, on average, lower than the median household income, with nothing else to live on, and that is supposedly a wasteful indulgence. Doesn't it just make your blood boil to think about your hard-earned tax dollars being blown on champagne and cigars by your children's fat-cat teachers? No? Mine either.

A responsible person might nonetheless assess the tradeoffs required to meet the pension obligation to Colorado's retired bureaucrats, or the deficit spending needed to retain public-school teachers at the moment, and decide that the taxes, deficit spending, or spending cuts needed are the greater evil instead of condemning retirees to penury or children to overcrowded classes. But to caricature public-sector employees as a plague of bloodsucking vermin engorging themselves at the public trough is bizarre and inaccurate. For one thing, the real source of escalating costs associated with public-sector employees is the same one that bedevils the American manufacturing sector and other unionized fields: health care. Ironically, Republicans vociferously opposed the health-care-reform bill that was designed to address exactly that.


And whatever happened to the GOP's fondness for the heroes of 9/11? Those cops, firefighters, and EMTs were public-sector employees. Don't they still get love from Republicans for being on the front lines of our struggle against terrorism? No, they don't. Just ask Anthony Weiner. At least the GOP deserves credit for being consistent.
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hank scorpio wrote:
Public Enemy No. 1: Civil Servants?

When you hear the phrase "cash for Democrat reelection program," what image does that conjure? An infamous Chicago ward heeler handing out $20 bills to poor people on their way to the polling station? Not if you're Rep. Michelle Bachmann (R-Minn.). What Bachmann was referring to when she uttered the phrase on Fox News (via The Washington Post's Greg Sargent) was actually the $26 billion that Congress passed to provide aid to the states earlier this week. The money is intended to allow cash-strapped state governments to lay off fewer workers, such as public-school teachers, police, and firefighters. Bachmann maintains that the money will be directed, via public-sector employee unions, to spending on Democratic candidates this fall.

If so, it is curious to see Republican governors, even the most fiscally conservative ones such as New Jersey's Chris Christie, accepting the federal aid. Indeed, most of them signed a letter asking for the Medicaid portion of it. Perhaps Bachmann thinks they are Manchurian candidates under a hypnotic spell from fiendish Democrats to undermine the Republican Party, with their whole careers up to this point being an elaborate ruse just to get enough power to really stick it to the GOP.

Republican governors, being stuck with the task of actually governing, are an outlier on the right when it comes to preventing teacher layoffs. Money for public schools facing budget cuts is currently viewed as such a self-evidently wasteful expenditure that what is most surprising about Bachmann's bizarre claim is that she felt the need to make it. Why was it insufficient for her to merely demonize the legislation for its stated purpose? Civil servants are being demonized on the right these days as if they were a cross between personal-injury lawyers, mainstream newspaper reporters, women's studies professors, and "activist judges." According to the new conventional wisdom it is greedy government employees who are to blame for our fiscal woes. As ABC reports, "passage Tuesday of a controversial bill sending billions of dollars to states to shore up payrolls for public school teachers further stoked the debate over whether government employees, their unions and their benefits packages are bankrupting the country."

Republicans in Congress, fiscal watchdog groups, and some locally elected officials are fretting that public-sector employees' benefits are unsustainably expensive. Fox News characterized the aid to states in an online news article as a "teacher union bailout." (Point of fact: a "bailout" is a government loan meant to stave off insolvency for a corporation. Teachers' unions are not at any risk of going bankrupt, and they are not receiving a direct cash infusion in the manner that, say, GM did. The money is being spent on retaining teachers so that public-school classrooms do not become egregiously overcrowded. One can reasonably believe that such an expenditure is unwise, but Fox's characterization of it is demonstrably false.)

On the more intellectually serious side, consider a recent New York Times business-section column that called the aforementioned debate a "class war." Times columnist Ron Lieber draws the battle lines thusly: "The haves are retirees who were once state or municipal workers ... The have-nots are taxpayers who don’t have generous pensions." Lieber neglects to mention that many of these so-called "have-nots" are professionals and businesspeople who often make considerably more than state or municipal workers, and he comes down strongly on the side of the "have-nots."

"The average retiree [in Colorado] in the fund stopped working at the sprightly age of 58 and deposits a check for $2,883 each month," Lieber writes. "Who wants to pay to top off someone else’s pile of money via increased income taxes or a radical decline in state services?"

Well, $2,883 per month is less than $36,000 per year, before taxes. That is somewhat less than the national median household income. And as Lieber acknowledges, the civil servants receiving it were often ineligible to participate in Social Security. So public health, safety, and education workers receive a pension that is, on average, lower than the median household income, with nothing else to live on, and that is supposedly a wasteful indulgence. Doesn't it just make your blood boil to think about your hard-earned tax dollars being blown on champagne and cigars by your children's fat-cat teachers? No? Mine either.

A responsible person might nonetheless assess the tradeoffs required to meet the pension obligation to Colorado's retired bureaucrats, or the deficit spending needed to retain public-school teachers at the moment, and decide that the taxes, deficit spending, or spending cuts needed are the greater evil instead of condemning retirees to penury or children to overcrowded classes. But to caricature public-sector employees as a plague of bloodsucking vermin engorging themselves at the public trough is bizarre and inaccurate. For one thing, the real source of escalating costs associated with public-sector employees is the same one that bedevils the American manufacturing sector and other unionized fields: health care. Ironically, Republicans vociferously opposed the health-care-reform bill that was designed to address exactly that.


And whatever happened to the GOP's fondness for the heroes of 9/11? Those cops, firefighters, and EMTs were public-sector employees. Don't they still get love from Republicans for being on the front lines of our struggle against terrorism? No, they don't. Just ask Anthony Weiner. At least the GOP deserves credit for being consistent.
http://www.newsweek.com/blogs/the-gaggl ... vants.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

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93henfan wrote: The 2010 COLA adjustment for federal retirees was... wait for it.... zero. So, during a period of roughly 3%/year inflation, federal retirees got no increase.
This explains how the COLA is calculated for FICA. I believe they use the same #s for fed retirees, the Consumer Price Index for Urban Wage Earners and Clerical Workers (CPI-W) :

"...The COLA adjustment is based on the increase from Q3 of one year from the highest previous Q3 average. So a 2.3% increase was announced in 2007 for 2008, and a 5.8% increase was announced in 2008 for 2009...."

It was -2.1% in 09' for 2010, but since the COLA can't go negative, the raise was zero. And as the article states, it will likely be zero again 2010 so no increase come Jan 2011.
http://www.calculatedriskblog.com/2010/ ... ximum.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

This is set by law. I think Congress should do the same for the fed pay raises so they don't have to decide/argue about it every year, but maybe use the regular CPI instead.

Looking at the BLS stats
ftp://ftp.bls.gov/pub/special.requests/cpi/cpiai.txt" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
The Dec-Dec regular CPI the last 3 years:
07 2.8%
08' 3.8%
09' -0.4%
10' 1st 6 months this yr up about 1%, about a 2% annual pace.
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BDKJMU wrote:
93henfan wrote: The 2010 COLA adjustment for federal retirees was... wait for it.... zero. So, during a period of roughly 3%/year inflation, federal retirees got no increase.
This explains how the COLA is calculated for FICA. I believe they use the same #s for fed retirees:

"...The COLA adjustment is based on the increase from Q3 of one year from the highest previous Q3 average. So a 2.3% increase was announced in 2007 for 2008, and a 5.8% increase was announced in 2008 for 2009...."

It was -2.1% in 09' for 2010, but since the COLA can't go negative, the raise was zero. And as the article states, it will likely be zero again 2010 so no increase come Jan 2011.
http://www.calculatedriskblog.com/2010/ ... ximum.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

This is set by law. I think Congress should do the same for the fed pay raises so they don't have to decide/argue about it every year, but maybe use the CPI instead.

Looking at the BLS stats
ftp://ftp.bls.gov/pub/special.requests/cpi/cpiai.txt" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
The Dec-Dec regular CPI the last 3 years:
07 2.8%
08' 3.8%
09' -0.4%
10' 1st 6 months this yr up about 1%, about a 2% annual pace.
Not a bad idea...IMHO...
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Col Hogan wrote:
BDKJMU wrote:
This explains how the COLA is calculated for FICA. I believe they use the same #s for fed retirees:

"...The COLA adjustment is based on the increase from Q3 of one year from the highest previous Q3 average. So a 2.3% increase was announced in 2007 for 2008, and a 5.8% increase was announced in 2008 for 2009...."

It was -2.1% in 09' for 2010, but since the COLA can't go negative, the raise was zero. And as the article states, it will likely be zero again 2010 so no increase come Jan 2011.
http://www.calculatedriskblog.com/2010/ ... ximum.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

This is set by law. I think Congress should do the same for the fed pay raises so they don't have to decide/argue about it every year, but maybe use the CPI instead.

Looking at the BLS stats
ftp://ftp.bls.gov/pub/special.requests/cpi/cpiai.txt" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
The Dec-Dec regular CPI the last 3 years:
07 2.8%
08' 3.8%
09' -0.4%
10' 1st 6 months this yr up about 1%, about a 2% annual pace.
Not a bad idea...IMHO...
Everyone would bitch about that system too though.

Let's face it. If you work for the federal government, you're considered evil (or at the very least, acceptable collateral damage) by a sizable segment of the population. There's even a fringe element who will blow up your building, including a daycare center full of your babies and toddlers, fly a plane into your building, drive up to the entrance to your building and just randomly start shooting people, etc, etc. Some here even voiced support for one or more of those episodes.
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93henfan wrote:
Col Hogan wrote:
Not a bad idea...IMHO...
Everyone would bitch about that system too though.

Let's face it. If you work for the federal government, you're considered evil (or at the very least, acceptable collateral damage) by a sizable segment of the population. There's even a fringe element who will blow up your building, including a daycare center full of your babies and toddlers, fly a plane into your building, drive up to the entrance to your building and just randomly start shooting people, etc, etc. Some here even voiced support for one or more of those episodes.
You're right...because we're the easy target for those with a beef with the federal government...and let's face it, there are plenty of reasons (real or perceived) to hate the federal government...

And angry people take the path of least resistance...even if they are wrong...
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93henfan wrote:Let's face it. If you work for the federal government, you're considered evil (or at the very least, acceptable collateral damage) by a sizable segment of the population.
I wonder why that is. Could it be "customers" who face disinterest and incompetence on the part of the person behind the counter or on the phone? Hmmm. Maybe. Here is one horror story.

My mother was declared dead by the marvelous Social Security System. She discovered this when the ATM at the bank wouldn't give her any money. She went into the bank where she was informed that she had died. All were sad. The next AM she went to the local SS office where after waiting for 2 hours she finally received her opportunity to see a clerk who after hearing the story informed my mother that there was nothing that could be done but that she might call some phone number at "headquarters" or whatever. To make a long story short, it took 7 months, both US Senators and 2 Congressmen to get my mothers account resurrected. And to this day we are still waiting for an apology letter. My greatest fear is that those responsible will soon be transferred to the new Health Care Management System.

Now this is just one story from one person but I am absolutely sure that such stories are legion. The people paying the bills would like to think that their employees are at least marginally competent or maybe even more important, care just a little bit about what they are doing. You know, like the bodies at Arlington for example.

'Nuff said. This horse has been beaten to death!
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TheDancinMonarch wrote:
93henfan wrote:Let's face it. If you work for the federal government, you're considered evil (or at the very least, acceptable collateral damage) by a sizable segment of the population.
I wonder why that is. Could it be "customers" who face disinterest and incompetence on the part of the person behind the counter or on the phone? Hmmm. Maybe. Here is one horror story.

My mother was declared dead by the marvelous Social Security System. She discovered this when the ATM at the bank wouldn't give her any money. She went into the bank where she was informed that she had died. All were sad. The next AM she went to the local SS office where after waiting for 2 hours she finally received her opportunity to see a clerk who after hearing the story informed my mother that there was nothing that could be done but that she might call some phone number at "headquarters" or whatever. To make a long story short, it took 7 months, both US Senators and 2 Congressmen to get my mothers account resurrected. And to this day we are still waiting for an apology letter. My greatest fear is that those responsible will soon be transferred to the new Health Care Management System.

Now this is just one story from one person but I am absolutely sure that such stories are legion. The people paying the bills would like to think that their employees are at least marginally competent or maybe even more important, care just a little bit about what they are doing. You know, like the bodies at Arlington for example.

'Nuff said. This horse has been beaten to death!
I'm sure you've never had any issues with customer service in the private sector though. Every time you registered for a class or paid tuition at ODU, everything went smooth as a whistle, no fuss, no wait, no stress. Every utility bill, phone bill, any bill you ever got was exactly right, or if for some one in a million reason it wasn't and you had to call their phone bank you got a live person right away, eager to help you. You've never encountered any rude private sector folks on the phone. They're so fucking cheery. You really don't mind that your phone company, your ISP, and your cable company want to jack up your rates about 20% every year so you can fund their CEOs $30M/year compensation package. Every time you ever visited an emergency room, they got you in within a minute or two and your insurance covered everything for you with no paperwork hassles or disputed charges. Private sector companies never lose a patient record. Private sector cemeteries never mixup a burial, or sell body parts, or just throw the bodies in a pit out back and fool the families into paying for a proper funeral. Yep, everything just runs flawlessly in the private sector. Nothing to see here. :whistle:
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93henfan wrote:
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I wonder why that is. Could it be "customers" who face disinterest and incompetence on the part of the person behind the counter or on the phone? Hmmm. Maybe. Here is one horror story.

My mother was declared dead by the marvelous Social Security System. She discovered this when the ATM at the bank wouldn't give her any money. She went into the bank where she was informed that she had died. All were sad. The next AM she went to the local SS office where after waiting for 2 hours she finally received her opportunity to see a clerk who after hearing the story informed my mother that there was nothing that could be done but that she might call some phone number at "headquarters" or whatever. To make a long story short, it took 7 months, both US Senators and 2 Congressmen to get my mothers account resurrected. And to this day we are still waiting for an apology letter. My greatest fear is that those responsible will soon be transferred to the new Health Care Management System.

Now this is just one story from one person but I am absolutely sure that such stories are legion. The people paying the bills would like to think that their employees are at least marginally competent or maybe even more important, care just a little bit about what they are doing. You know, like the bodies at Arlington for example.

'Nuff said. This horse has been beaten to death!
I'm sure you've never had any issues with customer service in the private sector though. Every time you registered for a class or paid tuition at ODU, everything went smooth as a whistle, no fuss, no wait, no stress. Every utility bill, phone bill, any bill you ever got was exactly right, or if for some one in a million reason it wasn't and you had to call their phone bank you got a live person right away, eager to help you. You've never encountered any rude private sector folks on the phone. They're so **** cheery. You really don't mind that your phone company, your ISP, and your cable company want to jack up your rates about 20% every year so you can fund their CEOs $30M/year salary. Every time you ever visited an emergency room, they got you in within a minute or two and your insurance covered everything for you with no paperwork hassles or disputed charges. Private sector companies never lose a patient record. Private sector cemeteries never mixup a burial, or sell body parts, or just throw the bodies in a pit out back and fool the families into paying for a proper funeral. Yep, everything just runs flawlessly in the private sector. Nothing to see here. :whistle:
If I have a problem with company A, I stop dealing with them. If I have a problem with the government I am stuck. Defending incompetence by pointing at others incompetence just does nothing but send us into a deeper hole.
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I'm sure you've never had any issues with customer service in the private sector though. Every time you registered for a class or paid tuition at ODU, everything went smooth as a whistle, no fuss, no wait, no stress. Every utility bill, phone bill, any bill you ever got was exactly right, or if for some one in a million reason it wasn't and you had to call their phone bank you got a live person right away, eager to help you. You've never encountered any rude private sector folks on the phone. They're so **** cheery. You really don't mind that your phone company, your ISP, and your cable company want to jack up your rates about 20% every year so you can fund their CEOs $30M/year salary. Every time you ever visited an emergency room, they got you in within a minute or two and your insurance covered everything for you with no paperwork hassles or disputed charges. Private sector companies never lose a patient record. Private sector cemeteries never mixup a burial, or sell body parts, or just throw the bodies in a pit out back and fool the families into paying for a proper funeral. Yep, everything just runs flawlessly in the private sector. Nothing to see here. :whistle:
If I have a problem with company A, I stop dealing with them. If I have a problem with the government I am stuck. Defending incompetence by pointing at others incompetence just does nothing but send us into a deeper hole.
You're not stuck. Voting for a different government or leaving the country are the two options that come to mind. It seems like you've chosen option three and four: whine and bitch.
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If I have a problem with company A, I stop dealing with them. If I have a problem with the government I am stuck. Defending incompetence by pointing at others incompetence just does nothing but send us into a deeper hole.
You're not stuck. Voting for a different government or leaving the country are the two options that come to mind. It seems like you've chosen option three and four: whine and bitch.
How many administration have you worked for? A change in government did not change your employment did i?
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You're not stuck. Voting for a different government or leaving the country are the two options that come to mind. It seems like you've chosen option three and four: whine and bitch.
How many administration have you worked for? A change in government did not change your employment did i?
My six years as a marine were all under Clinton and my nine years as a fed civilian have been under GWB and Obama. That's three administrations. Regarding your second question, it's way too vague for me to answer. Did my employment change how? Generally speaking, DoD (which I've worked for the entire time) has been steadily shrinking. We learn to do more with less on a continual basis.
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How many administration have you worked for? A change in government did not change your employment did i?
My six years as a marine were all under Clinton and my nine years as a fed civilian have been under GWB and Obama. That's three administrations. Regarding your second question, it's way too vague for me to answer. Did my employment change how?
The Administration changed but you continue with the government. So a change in government did not change the players.
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My six years as a marine were all under Clinton and my nine years as a fed civilian have been under GWB and Obama. That's three administrations. Regarding your second question, it's way too vague for me to answer. Did my employment change how?
The Administration changed but you continue with the government. So a change in government did not change the players.
I'm not really following where you're going. The players change constantly, perhaps too often. I was actually glad that Obama kept Gates for some consistency.
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The Administration changed but you continue with the government. So a change in government did not change the players.
I'm not really following where you're going. The players change constantly, perhaps too often. I was actually glad that Obama kept Gates for some consistency.
The people "helping" the "customers" at the SS office do not change when an Administration changes. You know, the Hatch Act, the theoretical non-political Civil Service.
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I'm not really following where you're going. The players change constantly, perhaps too often. I was actually glad that Obama kept Gates for some consistency.
The people "helping" the "customers" at the SS office do not change when an Administration changes. You know, the Hatch Act, the theoretical non-political Civil Service.
Sure.

I'd prefer you not lump me in with a Social Security help desk. What I do is so far removed from that kind of mundane shit that I'm extremely grateful. Customer service pretty much has to suck wherever you work I'd think, hence their shitty attitudes in general, from the SSA to AT&T. Did you read my story in another thread many moon ago about the AT&T guy that called me back to hang up on me? :lol:
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