And the IRS "scandal" has worked perfectly!CID1990 wrote:as long as their name doesn't have the words "tea", "party", or "patriot" in it theyll be okkalm wrote:
Patience. There's now accusations that the Center For Medical Progress filed as a Biomedicine Charity with the IRS which it might not actually be.
“We’ve been very good at getting heart, lung, liver, because we know that,” says Nucatola, “so I’m not gonna crush that part, I’m gonna basically crush below, I’m gonna crush above, and I’m gonna see if I can get it all intact.” She talks about properly trained abortion doctors using ultrasound to ensure that forceps don’t damage organs destined for sale....
As a matter of law, Planned Parenthood may be on solid ground. But it isn’t illegality that makes this video so scandalous. It is amorality. It is the nonchalance with which Planned Parenthood’s senior medical director schmoozes, between swigs of wine and forkfuls of salad, about dismembering a healthy unborn child and selling its parts for “anywhere from $30 to $100” apiece. It is the sheer indifference to the enormity of destroying life in the womb and then “donating” the wreckage for money.
Another whack job catholic caught up in the scam.89Hen wrote:Nice opinion piece here...
http://www.bostonglobe.com/opinion/2015 ... tory.html#
“We’ve been very good at getting heart, lung, liver, because we know that,” says Nucatola, “so I’m not gonna crush that part, I’m gonna basically crush below, I’m gonna crush above, and I’m gonna see if I can get it all intact.” She talks about properly trained abortion doctors using ultrasound to ensure that forceps don’t damage organs destined for sale....
As a matter of law, Planned Parenthood may be on solid ground. But it isn’t illegality that makes this video so scandalous. It is amorality. It is the nonchalance with which Planned Parenthood’s senior medical director schmoozes, between swigs of wine and forkfuls of salad, about dismembering a healthy unborn child and selling its parts for “anywhere from $30 to $100” apiece. It is the sheer indifference to the enormity of destroying life in the womb and then “donating” the wreckage for money.
But it's also the insistence on describing what PP is doing as selling or even worse (in the case of the knuckle draggers) "selling for profit" that's completely unnecessary. The questionable morality of the practice is strong enough on its own without embellishing things.89Hen wrote:Nice opinion piece here...
http://www.bostonglobe.com/opinion/2015 ... tory.html#
“We’ve been very good at getting heart, lung, liver, because we know that,” says Nucatola, “so I’m not gonna crush that part, I’m gonna basically crush below, I’m gonna crush above, and I’m gonna see if I can get it all intact.” She talks about properly trained abortion doctors using ultrasound to ensure that forceps don’t damage organs destined for sale....
As a matter of law, Planned Parenthood may be on solid ground. But it isn’t illegality that makes this video so scandalous. It is amorality. It is the nonchalance with which Planned Parenthood’s senior medical director schmoozes, between swigs of wine and forkfuls of salad, about dismembering a healthy unborn child and selling its parts for “anywhere from $30 to $100” apiece. It is the sheer indifference to the enormity of destroying life in the womb and then “donating” the wreckage for money.
Great article. The four women basically describe opting for abortions for selfish reasons.Chizzang wrote:The 99% rule...
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I love it...CAA Flagship wrote:Great article. The four women basically describe opting for abortions for selfish reasons.Chizzang wrote:The 99% rule...
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Hasn't the history of Religion taught you anything..?Pwns wrote:I'm disappointed. Planned Parenthood and NARAL assured me that abortion is a very difficult decision that isn't made lightly and that no one thinks having an abortion is no different than killing yard weeds.
Chizz has his pants around his ankles when he reads more about the four women...CAA Flagship wrote:Great article. The four women basically describe opting for abortions for selfish reasons.Chizzang wrote:The 99% rule...
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Janne Robinson is a poet, writer, bushwalker, idealist and animal activist currently residing on Vancouver Island. She cuts kindling with her teeth, eats Bukowski for breakfast and makes the habit of saying the word feminist as much as possible. She surfs naked, pees in the woods, and loves whiskeys that swing their hips when they walk and know what they are doing. Janne's life's work is to be transparent. She makes a living off hanging her dirty and clean laundry out for the world to see. Her mission is to give others permission to also walk and exist with the same transparency.
Renee Bracey Sherman is an award winning reproductive justice activist and the author of Saying Abortion Aloud: Research and Recommendations for Public Abortion Storytellers and Organizations. She is a writer with Echoing Ida, a project of Forward Together that amplifies the voices of Black women thought leaders. Bracey Sherman’s work on abortion storytelling and reproductive rights has been featured on BBC, The Guardian, EBONY, Salon, Fusion, TIME, and The Atlantic. Bracey Sherman holds a Master’s degree in Public Administration from Cornell University and currently sits on the board of NARAL Pro-Choice America Foundation.
89Hen wrote:Chizz has his pants around his ankles when he reads more about the four women...CAA Flagship wrote: Great article. The four women basically describe opting for abortions for selfish reasons.
Janne Robinson is a poet, writer, bushwalker, idealist and animal activist currently residing on Vancouver Island. She cuts kindling with her teeth, eats Bukowski for breakfast and makes the habit of saying the word feminist as much as possible. She surfs naked, pees in the woods, and loves whiskeys that swing their hips when they walk and know what they are doing. Janne's life's work is to be transparent. She makes a living off hanging her dirty and clean laundry out for the world to see. Her mission is to give others permission to also walk and exist with the same transparency.Renee Bracey Sherman is an award winning reproductive justice activist and the author of Saying Abortion Aloud: Research and Recommendations for Public Abortion Storytellers and Organizations. She is a writer with Echoing Ida, a project of Forward Together that amplifies the voices of Black women thought leaders. Bracey Sherman’s work on abortion storytelling and reproductive rights has been featured on BBC, The Guardian, EBONY, Salon, Fusion, TIME, and The Atlantic. Bracey Sherman holds a Master’s degree in Public Administration from Cornell University and currently sits on the board of NARAL Pro-Choice America Foundation.
When you say: Professional Victims I think - American Christians..?Baldy wrote:89Hen wrote: Chizz has his pants around his ankles when he reads more about the four women...
You just can't make that shit up!!!
Professional victims.
Awesome...I'll let the kids in Afghanistan know that you stand beside them in the fight against Obama's incoming missiles.89Hen wrote:Nope. Rights of the one being killed trump.D1B wrote:No scientific consensus.
Rights of the mother are primary.
Sometimes. But I guess you were hoping nobody actually read the piece you posted and certainly that they didn't click the links to these women's websites. I'm not sure I've seen a more partisan hack article posted here Cleets. Own up to it.Chizzang wrote:When you say: Professional Victims I think - American Christians..?Baldy wrote:
You just can't make that shit up!!!
Professional victims.
And we do most of that stuff while saying we are protecting the American way of life.Chizzang wrote:
I love it...
and I think the findings of the polling are spot on
We are humans
We are killers
We are ruthless
We are selfish
We are dangerous
We kill each other across the globe constantly
We bomb children
we burn churches
we execute nuns
we slaughter the innocent
We are HUMAN watch us ROAR
I'm no fan of war Cluck, but that's for another discussion. Pro-choice folks always love to try to change the argument. What next, incest?... welfare?... capital punishment?...Cluck U wrote:Awesome...I'll let the kids in Afghanistan know that you stand beside them in the fight against Obama's incoming missiles.89Hen wrote: Nope. Rights of the one being killed trump.
Forgot to list that one too as a misdirection.... unless you're saying we're now in agreement that abortion is wrongful death. Many people don't agree on those definitions and subsequent punishments for adult deaths, but that doesn't prevent them from being a crime.Skjellyfetti wrote:But, what abortions should be illegal?
All?
Only to protect the health of the mother?
Treat illegal abortions as murder? Manslaughter? Minor misdemeanor?
Murder.89Hen wrote:Forgot to list that one too as a misdirection.... unless you're saying we're now in agreement that abortion is wrongful death. Many people don't agree on those definitions and subsequent punishments for adult deaths, but that doesn't prevent them from being a crime.Skjellyfetti wrote:But, what abortions should be illegal?
All?
Only to protect the health of the mother?
Treat illegal abortions as murder? Manslaughter? Minor misdemeanor?
I don't see how it's misdirection.89Hen wrote: Forgot to list that one too as a misdirection.... unless you're saying we're now in agreement that abortion is wrongful death. Many people don't agree on those definitions and subsequent punishments for adult deaths, but that doesn't prevent them from being a crime.
I'm not changing the argument...I'm providing context.89Hen wrote:I'm no fan of war Cluck, but that's for another discussion. Pro-choice folks always love to try to change the argument. What next, incest?... welfare?... capital punishment?...Cluck U wrote:
Awesome...I'll let the kids in Afghanistan know that you stand beside them in the fight against Obama's incoming missiles.
IMO it's an attempt to add in another facet on which we can disagree to muddy the waters.Skjellyfetti wrote:I don't see how it's misdirection.89Hen wrote: Forgot to list that one too as a misdirection.... unless you're saying we're now in agreement that abortion is wrongful death. Many people don't agree on those definitions and subsequent punishments for adult deaths, but that doesn't prevent them from being a crime.
If we're discussing the legality of abortion - how is it misdirection to discuss what happens after it is illegal? Or what illegality even means?
No, you weren't providing context. Context to what? The entire rest of your post IS back on topic. The war analogy was smear.Cluck U wrote:I'm not changing the argument...I'm providing context.89Hen wrote: I'm no fan of war Cluck, but that's for another discussion. Pro-choice folks always love to try to change the argument. What next, incest?... welfare?... capital punishment?...
I've already stated that I don't give a rat's patooey about the abortion issue arguments. In my view, if a woman wants an abortion, she should be able to have an abortion.
If you believe, and I don't, the fetus has rights that trump the mother's, then Gannonfan has already put this argument into perspective...the timing of a fetus being able to live outside the womb will become irrelevant. Science will be able to keep a sperm and egg alive outside the womb, so any rights for a fetus, if the rights of the fetus outweigh the rights of the mother, will begin at conception.
But what you are not believing is that it will stop there. It won't. People will be held responsible for their behavior leading up to creating the fetus. There will be no other way for the courts to decide. We will be able to trace damage to fetuses to damage to the egg and sperm...damage that will often be as a result of the behavior of the male and female before conception. If you decide to procreate, knowing you might end up creating a damaged fetus with behavior tied to before or after conception, you will be held responsible.
Welcome to the new world.
BTW, I do believe the baby's right to life does trump the mother's pursuit of happiness. It IS listed first after all... I honestly don't think the order is coincidence.Cluck U wrote:If you believe, and I don't, the fetus has rights that trump the mother's...
