How Long Will The Shutdown Last? (Dec 2018)

[∞∞∞]

You know what would be better? If people didn't have to use leave for fucking cancer, and we didn't live in a nation where someone has to donate leave so another can scrap a little more money together.

The vast riches of this nation...and workers have to donate leave. What. The. Fuck.

[93henfan]

We know what happened. Trump reversed water quality rules, decreased inspections.

https://www.wgrz.com/article/news/local ... -618541059

I mean, let's be fair. 26 of the cases on the list below happened on Obama's watch and 4 have happened on Trump's. By your logic, Obama must have been the worst President in American history:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_f ... ted_States

[dbackjon]

My Mom used to head her teacher's union Sick Bank board. Every teacher (via the contract) contributed 1 day a year to the Bank, and teachers that ran out could apply for some of the bank. Per the contract, she had access to the number of sick days taken in prior years. The teachers that always took the maximum days yearly, and carried zero over had a tough task to convince Mom to get days from the bank. The teachers that banked some every year building up a nice balance but then had a major illness always got some of the bank.

Mom was able to retire a year early by applying all her banked sick time.

Good on her. That's the way it should be.

My mom had a full year of sick leave when she retired from the civil service. Under the CSRS (the old civil service retirement), that means she got that year counted as service, so she gets an extra 2% of her high-3 annual salary each year for life. Pretty sweet deal. Obama actually revised FERS (the new system) so that we can now credit our sick leave as creditable service as well. That means an extra 1.1% tacked on to my retirement.

Thanks Obama!

[93henfan]

Good on her. That's the way it should be.

My mom had a full year of sick leave when she retired from the civil service. Under the CSRS (the old civil service retirement), that means she got that year counted as service, so she gets an extra 2% of her high-3 annual salary each year for life. Pretty sweet deal. Obama actually revised FERS (the new system) so that we can now credit our sick leave as creditable service as well. That means an extra 1.1% tacked on to my retirement.

Thanks Obama!

Well, that was the good part of the Obama tweak. The bad part was that he hosed new entrants to civil service on their pension contribution rate. Older guys like me and CID are required to contribute 0.8% of our salary each paycheck toward our pension.

Starting in 2013, Obama required new hires to contribute 3.1 percent. For those first hired in 2014 or later, the new contribution rate is 4.4 percent.

So, a person hired 2014 or later makes effectively 3.6% less (4.4-0.8) than a person hired in 2012 and in the same pay grade and step.

Youch.

[dbackjon]

Thanks Obama!

Well, that was the good part of the Obama tweak. The bad part was that he hosed new entrants to civil service on their pension contribution rate. Older guys like me and CID are required to contribute 0.8% of our salary each paycheck toward our pension.

Starting in 2013, Obama required new hires to contribute 3.1 percent. For those first hired in 2014 or later, the new contribution rate is 4.4 percent.

So, a person hired 2014 or later makes effectively 3.6% less (4.4-0.8) than a person hired in 2012 and in the same pay grade and step.

Youch.

So the fiscally conservative thing to do - make the workers contribute more for the great return they are getting.

What percentage of your salary will your pension be?

[CID1990]

I don’t see why you’d disagree with that

Some of the biggest employers of illegal labor are large construction and service corporations.. the decision makers are shielded from all kinds of criminal and civil liability by the corporations they direct

So if they get caught using illegal Mexican roofers, it’s the corporation that is liable and not the CEO... so they would pay their fines as an operating cost and move on

Locking up a CEO or two is Page One of the playbook, Treep... right before the page that says lock up the landlord class...

Bingo..!!
A system built around no accountability for those at the top that profit the most
So of course any kind of reform that holds "The top" accountable
is going to be rejected by Congress immediately



So we'll fight about building a wall...
instead of actually fixing the problem
Which could be fixed in a month

I was conjuring you on purpose while I wrote that post

I was even burning a Comcast bill as a votive as I typed

[css75]

Good on her. That's the way it should be.

My mom had a full year of sick leave when she retired from the civil service. Under the CSRS (the old civil service retirement), that means she got that year counted as service, so she gets an extra 2% of her high-3 annual salary each year for life. Pretty sweet deal. Obama actually revised FERS (the new system) so that we can now credit our sick leave as creditable service as well. That means an extra 1.1% tacked on to my retirement.

Thanks Obama!

It wasn’t an Obama thing as much as FERS employees. FERS employees were not saving their leave like the CSRS (I am CSRS) were as there was no long term benefit of doing so. Obama had to change that to cut back on excessive leave usage.

BTW, Jon,the way your mother did things was the proper usage of leave and donated leave. Also, from your post about her, she sounds like a tremendous individual.


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[93henfan]

What percentage of your salary will your pension be?

If I retire at my minimum retirement age of 57, the formula is .01 x (avg of highest three years of salary) x years of service. If I wait until 62, the .01 in the above formula becomes .011.

So: At 57, I'll have 33 years of service. So that's .01 x (avg of highest three years of salary) x 33. My pension would be 33% of my high three.

If I work until 62, the formula would be .011 x (avg of highest three years of salary) x 38. My pension would be 41.8% of my high three.

My retirement will consist of the previously mentioned 33-41.8% pension, my Thrift Saving Plan (TSP, what our 401K is called)) payouts, and Social Security. I'm hoping my TSP matures to a level that I actually make more money per year in retirement than I do working.

I also have to weight the pros/cons of retiring at 57 versus 62. My federal job qualifies me for many private contract jobs doing the same thing in the DC area. I could draw my pension while working the five years from 57 to 62 in the private sector. I'll have to do that math when the time comes, but I'd really like to retire at 57. Never know when you might keel over. I'm very jealous of time.

[HI54UNI]

What percentage of your salary will your pension be?

If I retire at my minimum retirement age of 57, the formula is .01 x (avg of highest three years of salary) x years of service. If I wait until 62, the .01 in the above formula becomes .011.

So: At 57, I'll have 33 years of service. So that's .01 x (avg of highest three years of salary) x 33. My pension would be 33% of my high three.

If I work until 62, the formula would be .011 x (avg of highest three years of salary) x 38. My pension would be 41.8% of my high three.

My retirement will consist of the previously mentioned 33-41.8% pension, my Thrift Saving Plan (TSP, what our 401K is called)) payouts, and Social Security. I'm hoping my TSP matures to a level that I actually make more money per year in retirement than I do working.

I also have to weight the pros/cons of retiring at 57 versus 62. My federal job qualifies me for many private contract jobs doing the same thing in the DC area. I could draw my pension while working the five years from 57 to 62 in the private sector. I'll have to do that math when the time comes, but I'd really like to retire at 57. Never know when you might keel over. I'm very jealous of time.

How much does the government put into your pension? Do they match anything in your TSP?

[AZGrizFan]

What percentage of your salary will your pension be?

If I retire at my minimum retirement age of 57, the formula is .01 x (avg of highest three years of salary) x years of service. If I wait until 62, the .01 in the above formula becomes .011.

So: At 57, I'll have 33 years of service. So that's .01 x (avg of highest three years of salary) x 33. My pension would be 33% of my high three.

If I work until 62, the formula would be .011 x (avg of highest three years of salary) x 38. My pension would be 41.8% of my high three.

My retirement will consist of the previously mentioned 33-41.8% pension, my Thrift Saving Plan (TSP, what our 401K is called)) payouts, and Social Security. I'm hoping my TSP matures to a level that I actually make more money per year in retirement than I do working.

I also have to weight the pros/cons of retiring at 57 versus 62. My federal job qualifies me for many private contract jobs doing the same thing in the DC area. I could draw my pension while working the five years from 57 to 62 in the private sector. I'll have to do that math when the time comes, but I'd really like to retire at 57. Never know when you might keel over. I'm very jealous of time.

[ALPHAGRIZ1]

You know what would be better? If people didn't have to use leave for fucking cancer, and we didn't live in a nation where someone has to donate leave so another can scrap a little more money together.

The vast riches of this nation...and workers have to donate leave. What. The. Fuck.

Quit spending "OUR" fucking money on other countries then we can talk. If people had more of their money they work for 30% more of this country could afford to buy their own healthcare.

[css75]

What percentage of your salary will your pension be?

If I retire at my minimum retirement age of 57, the formula is .01 x (avg of highest three years of salary) x years of service. If I wait until 62, the .01 in the above formula becomes .011.

So: At 57, I'll have 33 years of service. So that's .01 x (avg of highest three years of salary) x 33. My pension would be 33% of my high three.

If I work until 62, the formula would be .011 x (avg of highest three years of salary) x 38. My pension would be 41.8% of my high three.

My retirement will consist of the previously mentioned 33-41.8% pension, my Thrift Saving Plan (TSP, what our 401K is called)) payouts, and Social Security. I'm hoping my TSP matures to a level that I actually make more money per year in retirement than I do working.

I also have to weight the pros/cons of retiring at 57 versus 62. My federal job qualifies me for many private contract jobs doing the same thing in the DC area. I could draw my pension while working the five years from 57 to 62 in the private sector. I'll have to do that math when the time comes, but I'd really like to retire at 57. Never know when you might keel over. I'm very jealous of time.

Sure glad I am CSRS.


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[Baldy]

You know what would be better? If people didn't have to use leave for fucking cancer, and we didn't live in a nation where someone has to donate leave so another can scrap a little more money together.

The vast riches of this nation...and workers have to donate leave. What. The. Fuck.

Sometimes Trip just sounds like a 10 year old.

Since donated leave is pretty much a phenomenon only government entities do, I'll educate you a little here. Much like the Feds, Georgia is extremely generous with leave. To me, it's the best perk of the job. A brand new state of GA employee will earn over 6 weeks of paid leave (sick and annual) their first year on the job. That's pretty much unheard of...

As usual, with anything else, there are employees who take full advantage of it. We call those people "earn and burners". It's self explanatory...they are the ones who burn their time off as soon as they earn it. They make up 90% of the people who are begging for donated leave. When they are calling in and enjoying their time off, their co-workers are having to pull their load, so 95% of those people are marginal employees anyway.

Fuck. Them.

[93henfan]

How much does the government put into your pension? Do they match anything in your TSP?

~13.2%; 100% of first 5% of salary.

[CID1990]

I don’t know about you fellers, but this is startin* to look like Shutdown Lite

I just got informed that not only am I excepted, but also the R&R I am currently on is allowed and paid for... and my pay never stopped

Put another way-

Allowing people to immigrate legally to the US is a higher priority than whatever 93 does

[Chizzang]

Bingo..!!
A system built around no accountability for those at the top that profit the most
So of course any kind of reform that holds "The top" accountable
is going to be rejected by Congress immediately



So we'll fight about building a wall...
instead of actually fixing the problem
Which could be fixed in a month

I was conjuring you on purpose while I wrote that post

I was even burning a Comcast bill as a votive as I typed

[SunCoastBlueHen]

My wife wanted to go camping at Everglades N.P. this coming weekend.

I am grateful to Donnie T for getting me out of that one.

[AZGrizFan]

You know what would be better? If people didn't have to use leave for fucking cancer, and we didn't live in a nation where someone has to donate leave so another can scrap a little more money together.

The vast riches of this nation...and workers have to donate leave. What. The. Fuck.

Sometimes Trip just sounds like a 10 year old.

Since donated leave is pretty much a phenomenon only government entities do, I'll educate you a little here. Much like the Feds, Georgia is extremely generous with leave. To me, it's the best perk of the job. A brand new state of GA employee will earn over 6 weeks of paid leave (sick and annual) their first year on the job. That's pretty much unheard of...

As usual, with anything else, there are employees who take full advantage of it. We call those people "earn and burners". It's self explanatory...they are the ones who burn their time off as soon as they earn it. They make up 90% of the people who are begging for donated leave. When they are calling in and enjoying their time off, their co-workers are having to pull their load, so 95% of those people are marginal employees anyway.

Fuck. Them.

Just sometimes?

[HI54UNI]

How much does the government put into your pension? Do they match anything in your TSP?

~13.2%; 100% of first 5% of salary.

Wow. Can't beat that.

[AZGrizFan]

Hey, is the government still shut down?

Hadn't noticed...

[CID1990]

Hey, is the government still shut down?

Hadn't noticed...

Seriously

This is like the phantom shutdown

the only furloughed person I know is 93


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[AZGrizFan]

Hey, is the government still shut down?

Hadn't noticed...

Seriously

This is like the phantom shutdown

the only furloughed person I know is 93


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[93henfan]

Hey, is the government still shut down?

Hadn't noticed...

Seriously

This is like the phantom shutdown

the only furloughed person I know is 93


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Nobody in State was furloughed?

I'm not worried about the furlough unless it goes past about four months, which it won't. I keep a robust rainy-day account for situations such as this. I'll replenish it with the backpay.

This is a sweet vacation. Hoping it goes until about mid-February.

The people getting screwed in this are the ones who have to work without pay, all 400,000 of them.

[JohnStOnge]

Seriously

This is like the phantom shutdown

the only furloughed person I know is 93


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Nobody in State was furloughed?

I'm not worried about the furlough unless it goes past about four months, which it won't. I keep a robust rainy-day account for situations such as this. I'll replenish it with the backpay.

This is a sweet vacation. Hoping it goes until about mid-February.

You will probably get back pay but I think the probability of that is a little lower than it's historically been in situations like this because you have a complete nut job in the White House and sycophant Republicans in Congress shilling for him.

[93henfan]

Nobody in State was furloughed?

I'm not worried about the furlough unless it goes past about four months, which it won't. I keep a robust rainy-day account for situations such as this. I'll replenish it with the backpay.

This is a sweet vacation. Hoping it goes until about mid-February.

You will probably get back pay but I think the probability of that is a little lower than it's historically been in situations like this because you have a complete nut job in the White House and sycophant Republicans in Congress shilling for him.

OK, so only a 99.9% chance. Noted.